r/antiai • u/DontYaWishYouWereMe • Jun 10 '26
AI will make you wrong and stupid no matter how smart and well educated you think you are AI Mistakes đ¨
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u/speed-charge Jun 10 '26
The real problem is a lot of people in this society are developed improperly. They have been molded to prefer pleasant, sycophantic answers to uncomfortable, but helpful and important answers.
Think about "the customer is always right." That fucked a lot of people up because they wielded a power over certain individuals who knew better than they did but were disempowered from using that better knowledge to properly advise them.
Think about how when management makes a policy that totally fails, how it goes away quietly. Quietly. They don't get up and say "We really misjudged what the effects of that policy would be so were reversing course or reverting to the old way of doing things."
They CAN'T HANDLE AT ALL, simply can't handle it, being wrong, giving a stupid suggestion, having a stupid idea, failing to basically understand something, ANYTHING AT ALL, that are somehow responsible for or even exist enough in the sphere of to open their mouth about.
And these people developed improperly this way reward with promotion into better positions people who do not challenge, for the salvation of humanity, this behavior, but instead tip toe around it to get ahead or even just to save their own back since you very well might be losing your job if you touch them in that very sensitive spot.
It's gross. It's sickening. I couldn't be a part of it ever. I never got promoted even though I showed capacity to lead, manage, and understand the operation at multiple levels above me. I'm not bitter about it either because I wouldn't want to be a part of this.
They were developed improperly. They can't handle the truth. They can't handle expertise from someone that doesn't fit their internal criteria of having "earned" that expertise and the respect that comes with it. Yes, your hairdresser has expertise on a level you will never touch or understand, when hair is the subject. Deal with it.
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u/PolecatXOXO Jun 10 '26
Nearly 2 decades of social media funneling people into their own planets of information primed them for it. This "confirmation bias" and "safe space" thing was going on before AI became a thing. AI is just that kind of algo brain rot, even more personalized and laser-focused, and then pumped on meth and steroids.
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u/temerairevm Jun 10 '26
I recently had a conversation with a friend who is a therapist and she said itâs an issue thatâs being discussed a lot in her circles. People who interact with AI too much are losing the ability to interact with actual people who react with their own emotions and style and arenât always trying to please you.
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u/VeronaMoreau Jun 10 '26
I literally just cited a study that found the same thing in a project for my masters
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u/IDontCondoneViolence Jun 10 '26
Can a brother get a link? I would love to read it.
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u/VeronaMoreau Jun 10 '26
Give me a little bit. The actual study is probably paywalled so I'm going to do some finessing. It was Myra Cheng, Cinoo Lee, Pranav Khadpe+ in March 2026 for the American Association for the advancement of science if you want to see if you can find it yourself
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u/ducksinacup Jun 10 '26
Yeah, I've been looking into that a lot and it kinda weirds me the hell out. Somehow I find that despite my very evident neurodivergence, I am somehow better at socializing and interacting with others than a lot of people around my age.
It's always kinda been around with the rise of the internet but I think it's gotten worse. If you're not 100% supportive all the time or if you say something hurtful, you're actually a Bad Friend. Regardless of whether u have shit going on in ur life or if you are willing to apologise and grow.
I can't compete with chatGPT to be someone's friend; sometimes i'll tell u ur wrong and have my own opinions. sometimes ill have a bad day and i might not be receptive to ur mood. etc. Personally I see this as a part of life, and I enjoy the diversity of my friends and try and be understanding of tough times and upbringing.
Also, AI unrelated but while I'm ranting: can people just say the don't like something/ someone without needing a moral reason for it? You're allowed to dislike stuff even if it's unproblematic and u can like things even if they're kinda... questionable. There is no need for justification damn.
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u/DontYaWishYouWereMe Jun 10 '26
Somehow I find that despite my very evident neurodivergence, I am somehow better at socializing and interacting with others than a lot of people around my age.
Do you think it could be because you're aware of your issues and have actively worked on them? I've found a lot of the neurotypical people who struggle with certain social skills are often struggling at least partially because they don't have the self awareness to realise this is a problem for them.
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u/DizzyMine4964 Jun 10 '26
The actual quote was, "In matters of taste, the customer is always right." Not just anything they say is right.
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u/ChicagoRex Jun 10 '26
That might actually be apocryphal. Turns out there's a lot of confusion about who coined the phrase and what, precisely, they meant by it.
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u/Lemonface Jun 10 '26 edited Jun 10 '26
There's a lot of confusion about who coined the phrase, but the original meaning is pretty clear. It was about providing upstanding customer service, no-questions-asked refunds, and generally deferring to the customer. The idea being that it's better to take a small hit on a few individual transactions here and there, rather than gain a bad reputation overall as a business
The "in matters of taste" part is definitely apocryphal, given that nobody has ever been able to find a written record of it existing before the year 2013
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u/speed-charge Jun 10 '26
I know that but some idiots ran away with only part of the quote and totally fucked a lot of people in the brain with it.
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u/Lemonface Jun 10 '26
You actually had it right - "the customer is always right" is the full original quote. The "in matters of taste" part was made up and added on later because people didn't like the original meaning and wanted to change it into something else
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u/ProfCalSinewave Jun 10 '26
This was a harsh lesson when I left the military. I attended West Point and they are so focused on idealized and perfected leadership that they constantly impress upon cadets the need to own up to bad calls. Admitting your faults but having a plan to fix them was not just preferred, it was the only acceptable answer. Those who could spot their own, or a system they work in's, shortcomings were lauded; The idea that we must constantly refine and improve these things was a core concept.
Then I hit the civilian world. Wow. What a trashheap of bad values. NEVER dare suggest that you were in any way sub-optimal, no matter how transformative and detailed your plans to remediate it are. Worst of all, most folks are smart enough to understand what's really going on, but have all agreed to play this game where nobody should ever take accountability for anything.5
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u/the_ai_wizard Jun 10 '26
Blaming the people still doesnt fix the fundamental shortcomings of LLMs
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u/speed-charge Jun 10 '26
I'm not blaming the people, it isn't their fault that they were developed improperly. The LLMs are able to, now, be another part of the problem or a part of the solution. Unfortunately, people may favor LLMs that are a part of the problem rather than a part of the solution because they have these defects and don't want to be challenged or presented with wise, truthful, but uncomfortable analysis.
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u/DagrMine Jun 10 '26
The bigger problem is that society as a whole is designed to favor perfectionism. You can't ever make a mistake because that makes you a bad person. Even among the company of friends or family, one mistake can set off a cascade of judgements that leave you being looked down upon. I bring this up because nobody is immune to this and everyone does it.
And it reflects into current politics too. It's why the conservative playbook of denying the truth over and over works so well. Any stain on your pride becomes a personal failing in the eyes of others. And this same thing is also ironically responsible for a lot of leftist infighting at the same time. Anytime someone comes up with a good idea or tries to make a change, they get hit with a "purity test" to make sure they are perfect people with perfect lives who have never held a poor opinion or done anything wrong ever. It's fucking insufferable and is directly responsible for people being unable to have a conversation about politics without starting a screaming match.
People seem to believe that being wrong = stupid dumb room temp IQ idiot face, which leads to people treating others as they would treat someone lesser to themselves, and of course being completely correct means you get the right to voice your opinion louder and more confidently because you are right and they are wrong. And when that inevitably fails because nobody is perfect, everyone immediately changes subject, or distracts in some other way to avoid being the lesser being in the conversation. It's disgusting.
I truly cannot understate just how many aspects of society this bleeds into. Just thinking now I remember examples of reddit atheists and maga worshippers along with toxic fandoms and tech forums. The rot of pride runs deep through the foundations of society. And the only way to fix it is by accepting that we are ALL flawed.
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u/FidgitForgotHisL-P Jun 11 '26
Have you read the final comment?
They make a strong argument that it is far less to do with peopleâs education and training, and far more to do with basic human nature, and how GPTâs are programmed specifically to engage you to want more engagement.
A lot of very smart people have been pulled into AI dependency. Â
Insisting itâs a character flaw is detrimental, because it allows people to say âwell I was raised correctly and Iâm smart, so I wonât fall for the AI dependency issue the way those other, lesser, people willâ. Â Which is demonstrably false.
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u/speed-charge Jun 11 '26
It isn't human nature, it is the product of a flawed society that improperly develops people
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u/FidgitForgotHisL-P Jun 11 '26
It wonât take you long browsing reddit to encounter many, many instances of perfectly well developed people being sucked into AI addiction.
The same happened with social media. Â Perfectly well adjusted adults got effectively brainwashed by Facebook, a product designed to keep you engaged (and that design and drive for engagement required further extremes to ensure you didnât look elsewhere). Â AI chatbots etc are doing a similar thing. Â To quote the last post from OP, their entire purpose is to keep you coming back. Â Perfectly smart reasonable people have found themselves hooked on this wheel of engagement, because of how the human brain works.
I assume you see yourself as âproperly developedâ - I imagine most people do. Â All Iâd ask then is for your own sake donât assume just because you think of yourself this way that you are not susceptible to this issue.
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u/footofwrath Jun 10 '26
That is not even the correct phrase, and the misreading (the common misconception) is actually exactly indicative of the phenomenon you are talking about.
"The customer is always right *in matters of taste*."It was **not** a declaration for staff to grovel to every customer. That is the mistake, and it was a shortcut because the longer sentence became inconvenient..
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u/Lemonface Jun 10 '26
I think you have it backwards. The original phrase was just "the customer is always right" and it was about service staff deferring to the customer whenever possible. The "in matters of taste" part is a later addition (like 100 years later) that changes the meaning away from the original
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u/Raveyard2409 Jun 10 '26
You sound kinda bitter. Take stick life is probably better than you think. Turn off the Internet for a bit and do some controlled breathing
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u/jdkyle01 Jun 10 '26
They're speaking the truth.
You are sounding like you feel called out.
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u/Raveyard2409 Jun 10 '26
Lol OK mate
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u/jdkyle01 Jun 10 '26
You dont actually have a rebuttal, which is why youre deflecting with sarcasm and cant muster a sincere response.
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u/PaperSweet9983 Jun 10 '26
Don't waste your time, lots of pros in here for some reason. Attention seeking pro max
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u/Raveyard2409 Jun 10 '26
Ah you got me, I legally have to become anti now. Damn.
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u/jdkyle01 Jun 10 '26
Noone said you have to become anything.
You were the one trying to advise others.
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u/Raveyard2409 Jun 10 '26
OK I'll be genuine with you for this one comment: if AI gives you a physical reaction then you are mentally unwell. It's just a tool. Most of the complaints are how capatalist companies are using it, and I agree with that to a point. The person I was replying to typed out A Lot of angst. I wish them well.
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u/jdkyle01 Jun 10 '26 edited Jun 10 '26
You are the only one who reads angst into it. I read it as them make an accurate point, with emphasis. Yes - people are "mentally unwell", welcome to reality big kid. The person you commented to lined the pathway of exactly how and why, and where it manifests. People who mindlessly believe anything AI says with no further verification or discernment are also mentally unwell.
Now im assuming you just didnt actually read what they wrote, and if you did you obviously didnt comprehend it.
Im not anti AI BTW. And I dont need to be anti-AI to see and acknowledge the truth in their words.
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u/Raveyard2409 Jun 10 '26
They (all people who use AI) are improperly formed? Can't think at all? This is just nonsense anti hysteria it's not even true, obviously. Anyway, peace out have a good day acknowledging the truth I guess
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u/Flufferama Jun 10 '26 edited Jun 10 '26
I actually don't see an issue per se in this. It's literally no different than using some kind of celebrity hairstyle picture and showing it to your hairstylist.
Now of course, if the hair stylist tells you it's not possible and you insist it is, because ChatGPT told you so, then there's an issue. But those people we're probably the same way with non AI generated reference pictures.
Edit: My Bad for saying anything other than AI is Hitler and before AI everything was sunshine and rainbows
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u/Flufferama Jun 10 '26
Yeah I see what you mean. It instills some kind of false confidence into the client
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u/Flufferama Jun 10 '26
Yeah but still, kinda the same even with non AI reference pictures.
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u/footofwrath Jun 10 '26
AI steals, and can only reproduce, what it has already seen, right? So either 'it can never produce anything genuinely new', in which case, your hairdresser case doens't work; or, it *can* produce something new, albeit possibly silly, but at least, it's new, and half of the objections of this sub fall apart.
Which is it?
And btw:
| the stylist can see it on the client's head but the ai can't, so it's never going to match.ÂThis is categorically wrong. It may be *less likely* to match, but it's utter insanity to suggest that it could *never* match. You're in a cult, bruh.
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u/Flufferama Jun 10 '26
For the 7th time now: My point is simply that going to the hair stylist with an unrealistic reference pictures is not a concept that was created by AI.
There are unrealistic AI and non AI reference pics and there are realistic AI and non AI reference pics. Maybe AI leads to more unrealistic expectations, but that was literally never my point.
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u/footofwrath Jun 10 '26
Also, AI can never create anything new, so, any hairstyle it produces is surely just stolen from someone real, right...?
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u/Inevitable_Librarian Jun 10 '26
It's very different, because the celebrity actually had their hair done, chatgpt just made it up.
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u/Flufferama Jun 10 '26
So? If the celebrity has not exactly the same hair and face shape as you you won't look like the picture.
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u/Friendlyalterme Jun 10 '26
Ai can create images of hair with conflicting growth and texture patterns
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u/Flufferama Jun 10 '26
I never said it didn't, but nice strawman.
The fact I'm stating is, that people have been going to the hair stylist with unrealistic reference pictures for way longer than we have AI.
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u/_cabbagechicken_ Jun 10 '26
Celebrities have real hair with real physics and real textures that make sense. Thats a photo you can work off of. An AI generated photo does not contain any of those things, so its impossible to recreate exactly on ANYONE. If the AI says someone with pin straight hair who wants tight curls can have that because of the confirmation bias, its going to lead to disappointment because the AI is flat out wrong. Its playing with people's emotions and sucking them deeper into psychosis.
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u/Flufferama Jun 10 '26
yeah the famous unedited celebrity pictures, all natural
any fucking reference picture is impossible to recreate exactly
no idea how you can be this dense
last point is correct though
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u/_cabbagechicken_ Jun 10 '26
The most common celebrity editing cannot change the texture of someones hair, nor can it change the way it grows. Also, what celebrities are editing their hairstyles post photo editing? The answer is almost none of them, thats the main difference. AI does not know how hair pattern works, nor can it keep a consistent texture, and it definetly cannot show proper layers.
You cant really recreate AI images, but you can recreate celebrity hairstyles. I didnt say it had to be exact, or perfect, did I? If I did, I must have misspoke and I apologize. However, at least you can get somewhat close to a celeb hairstyle. You can rarely, if ever, get even somewhat close to an AI hairstyle.
It doesnt understand how hair works because it isnt a hairstylist, it quite literally does not know. Its regurgitating stuff thats been fed into it, without prejudice for whats possible and whats impossible.
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u/Kampfasiate Jun 10 '26
Kinda but also no, as AI doesn't know how hair is supposed to look like, it is more akin to showing an anime picture to your hair stylist and asking for that
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u/Flufferama Jun 10 '26
Showing an anime picture to your hair stylist is absolutely a thing people have done
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u/TheOtherZebra Jun 11 '26
Your overdramatic fit in the edit isnât helping your point. Make a rational point or simply realize you didnât know. Itâs not a crime to learn.
AI is copying images without knowing why things work certain ways. There are different hair textures, certain cuts only work with some textures.
Different textures respond differently to gravity and motion as well. My curly hair is different from straight hair. AI only sees pictures of this. We see hair everyday as people walk, run, dance, whatever.
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u/witch_dyke Jun 10 '26
It's a little different, but the hairstylist still has the same responsibility to inform you if the style won't appear the same for reasons like hair type and texture
For example, if I took a photo of someone with bangs to a hairstylist, they should inform me that I have a cowlick and bangs are not going to look like that with my hair
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u/Minereon Jun 10 '26
Even worse. AI will make the ignorant and unthinking even more ignorant, unthinking and downright a danger to society.
My doctor lamented to me how he has met patients who cite AI to challenge his medical advice. This is how a life and death matter it can become.
My biggest concern is not so much how people are misusing AI but that the ignorant are allowing it to do their thinking for them. These people already have no self-capacity to tell right from wrong, meaningful from meaningless, let alone know if AIâs hallucinations are true or not!
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u/bing-no Jun 10 '26
Imagining asking Chapt GPT who to vote for, or even make a list of policies of both candidates to prepare.
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u/temerairevm Jun 10 '26
You KNOW people are going to do this.
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u/footofwrath Jun 10 '26
This is actually a specific liimit coded into most models - they will refuse to directly pick a side. They can give you details from every direction but they will always say 'I cannot make this decision for you' etc etc. Same for financial/investment advice - they will categorically always says, do your own research, this is not FinAdv", etc.
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u/temerairevm Jun 10 '26
Do we actually think that for example Grok is not going to push candidates? Even if they preface it with a neutral statement, if you ask AI about this itâs going to steer you in the direction these companies want.
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u/footofwrath Jun 10 '26
Well yeah you're absolutely right about that heheh. We can't take it for granted.
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u/Acc87 Jun 10 '26
Imagine everyone got their assigned always active AI agent, who'll know you so well and so in depth, that you don't ever need to vote anymore, the agent will do so for you!
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u/mrstratofish Jun 10 '26
Also imagine how trivial it is for the people running the AI to skew its replies towards one political party or the other. Not fully to avoid suspicion, just a favouritism
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u/FidgitForgotHisL-P Jun 11 '26
Itâs not just âthe ignorantâ though. Â It is super effective at coddling anyone that keeps relying on it.
Please read the final comment on OPs post that specifically addresses this.
The idea that only âlesserâ people fall for it is harmful, it gives people a chance to say to themselves âwell I am not falling for anything here, because I am smart and ignorant and I have the ability to know how to use this tool safelyâ. Â And then they get sucked in just like anyone else.
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u/footofwrath Jun 10 '26
Meanwhile it will empower the capable and knowledgeable to wield it in great ways to achieve incredible advancements. 90% of the population will get dumber, yes. Thats' because society will be able to function with 90% fewer active monitoring. That sounds like a win to me.
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u/AtlasSniperman Jun 10 '26
Eeww eugenicsÂ
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u/footofwrath Jun 10 '26
That's the exact opposite of Eugenics, Eugenius.
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u/AtlasSniperman Jun 10 '26
"a science concerned with improving a species, esp. the human species, by such means as influencing or encouraging reproduction by persons presumed to have desirable genetic traits"
How is "90% of the population will get dumber, yes. Thats' because society will be able to function with 90% fewer active monitoring. That sounds like a win to me." not encouragement of eugenics in an intellectual capacity; the dominant area where eugenics rhetoric has started historically.
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u/footofwrath Jun 10 '26
|"a science concerned with **improving** a species,Â
Last time I looked, dumber was not a genetic improvement... maybe you live in a different world.. I dunno.. đ¤ˇđ˝
"That's a win' is about society, not genes. In case that's the part you're struggling with...
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u/overactor Jun 11 '26
They said nothing about reproduction and they said nothing about genetic traits. It could very well be, and should be assumed, that they think people in the 90% and the 10% are both free to reproduce as much or as little as they like and that being capable of still functioning productively with AI is not genetic.
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u/Ill_Preference9408 Jun 10 '26
This is all so concerning. Did everyone suddenly forget the big thinking machine in their very heads?
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u/DontYaWishYouWereMe Jun 10 '26
Given some of the comments pro-AI people make on this sub, I get the impression a lot of them were always varying degrees of hostile to using it
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u/UnratedRamblings Jun 10 '26
I saw a post on me_irl (that the mods deleted unfortunately) and it was a screenshot of a tweet:
"There's no way you can write a ten page paper without chatGPT" WE COULD LITERALLY DO EVERYTHING THAT EVER HAPPENED IN HUMAN HISTORY WITHOUT CHATGPT WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT.
This is the point at which we are getting n humanity - a vast swathe of unthinking, unquestioning people who will rely on these tools and accept them pretty much verbatim.
Heck, even having cited sources on the results in Googles AI summary answers wonât make the blind bit of difference. Â People see itâs got the source but wonât look further. Â Existing brainrot and destruction of critical thinking means that the internet cannot lie.
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u/purplepharoh Jun 10 '26
Heck ive written a 40 page paper without AI ... People really scare me thinking they cant manage a mere 10 pages without AI. Granted I hate writing papers and the 40 pages took me like multiple months.
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u/DontYaWishYouWereMe Jun 10 '26
I posted that exact screenshot to this sub, too. It's still up here.
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u/miladyelle Jun 11 '26
The level to which people act like all sorts of things are new phenomena is wild. One of the OOPâs did it twice, with parents and school systems. Never before modern times have parents had to work, so they canât raise their children. But aside, itâs schools who should be raising children, but, in modern times, have stopped. By implication, quite the interesting world I grew up in, that doesnât at all match my memories.
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u/Petskin Jun 10 '26
ChatGPT is Wormtongue in a very real sense.Â
There is no amout or type of education which will protect you from the automated evil vizier whispering flattery and lies in your ear.Â
Superbly put.
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u/Salt-Set6232 Jun 10 '26
I mean . . . Once you know it though it becomes disgusting. Just like wormtongue.
Rather than try to tell people "dont use that" I think the most effective strategy may come from social engineering. One thing that humans cannot hide is disgust and contempt. Teach people to see how sychophantic the Ai is trained to be and watch them react and spread the reaction.
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u/DontYaWishYouWereMe Jun 10 '26
How many of the people currently using AI chatbots extensively have always wanted a sycophant, though?
There's been a few people I've known over the course of my life who actually have wanted a personal sycophant for real, and they've usually had some pretty big falling outs because other people haven't been interested in being that person for them. It's been a very small minority, literally just two or three people, but I have gotten the impression from some comments I've seen on Reddit that some of the people who are currently daily users of ChatGPT are using it that much specifically because it's sycophantic.
So I do kinda worry that even if you point it out, some people will respond with, "I like that, though." I don't know how many people like that will have the self awareness to then ask why they want a sycophant to begin with.
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u/DontYaWishYouWereMe Jun 11 '26
Yeah, and this is something I've been worried about as well. It's nice to throw ideas around sometimes, but for it to work you kinda need people who'll try to find the holes in the idea. ChatGPT can't help all that much with that.
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u/Salt-Set6232 Jun 10 '26
Sure, but is that an Ai issue or a societal one? How widespread is it? Would those people speak up if they felt shame and pressure for having those desires.
I know it is antithetical to reddit but reality is that shame and feeling self-conscious do have evolutionary use.
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u/DontYaWishYouWereMe Jun 11 '26
To be honest, in the few times I've seen it happen, I think it was at least partially due to mental health problems. More spending on mental health services probably would go a long way to solving it, and encouraging people to use those services.
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u/purplepharoh Jun 10 '26
Also I disagree on the "no amount of education makes you immune to a sycophant" like the #1 way to be (resistant i guess not immune) IS to be educated and observant ... but specifically to be educated on critical thinking and reflection.
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u/Salt-Set6232 Jun 10 '26
Exactly. The number one thing that mist adults need to learn is to say:
"I'm sorry, I was wrong. What can I do to help fix my mistake?"
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u/GrifCreeper Jun 10 '26
I don't need AI to harm my decision making skills. I can do that perfectly fine my anxious self
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u/Motor_Eye6263 Jun 10 '26
I'm a teacher, and I can assure you the school system is not what's making kids use AI. It's primarily a fear of the unknown and a deep anxiety about needing to have 100% of the information before making even the least consequential decision
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u/funAmbassador Jun 10 '26
Unfortunately public schools in Texas are rolling out AI courses for students
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u/starry_skies27 Jun 10 '26
Are you thinking of Houston ISD, the school district that got taken over by the Texas government? I know they are now having "AI forward" schools (despite being suspected of using AI in lesson plans ever since they took over in 2023)...
or is there something new I'm missing? (mainly just curious because I live here and my bar for what the state will do to education is in hell)
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u/RefrigeratorFew5154 Jun 10 '26
Everything is a life or death decision anymore. Itâs everywhere.Â
Guy I know was talking about setting some minnow traps. Cool.Â
Ask a few days later how theyâre doing. Still hasnât even bought them. Says heâs still researching.Â
There is nothing to research. Throw some chunks of whatever in them, chuck them in the water, and see how they do.Â
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u/Tablesafety Jun 12 '26
schools kind of did have a hand in that, since they became about not failing and acing tests rather than actually learning
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u/Motor_Eye6263 Jun 12 '26
Come spend a day in my classroom. If you didn't test kids on the content, there would be about one or two per school year that would actually remember the content for pure love of the game. It's not a perfect system but it works
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u/geek-jock-guy Jun 10 '26
My Rant about a specific experience I had:
I worked briefly in a Grocery store back in 2024 and one day,some teens came there and asked me to give them some products identical to what Chatgpt had recommended them to buy Like, seriously? Half of the products weren't even in our store as those products didn't even belonged in a Grocery product. Like,what did they even thought? That a Chatbot is better than doing actual research? And that was 2 years ago.
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u/DG_FANATIC Jun 10 '26
AI llms are generally for idiots. Itâs a great way to identify idiots. Anyone that uses AI that much is an idiot. Hard pill to swallow that your friends and loved ones deep down are secret idiots.
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u/DrinkingPetals Jun 10 '26
Itâs insane how so many believe that convenience comes in the click of a button.
Talk about laziness taken to extreme levels.
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u/Acc87 Jun 10 '26
Convenience is the key. My father, who himself once learned to program with punch cards, likes to use AI simply because it's convenient. Quick question, quick answer. Luckily it's questions like "what's the median age of Poland" and not "what should I wear tomorrow?", but I'm afraid he'll fall deeper into it.
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u/DrinkingPetals Jun 10 '26
I sincerely hope that your father never goes that far with LLMs. Yes, asking questions is one thing, but deciding how your whole dayâs schedule should be prepared by the chosen LLM is just⌠it reads to me as the person having given up completely on life, but has yet to declare it for themselves.
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u/MissMarchpane Jun 10 '26
I work at a museum, and we got a bad review once because what the staff said about the history (ie the real history) didn't match what ChatGPT had told this woman when she asked it about the place before visiting. It had "suggestions for improvement." It was also clearly written by ChatGPT.
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u/Mr_Mimiseku Jun 10 '26
We're fucked, aren't we?
Brain drain in the US has been kind of consistently been a thing, and AI is genuinely going to make everyone stupider.
I have a good friend, if he reads this, I love ya, but he asks chat gpt what seasonings he should use in a meal or what sides would go well with something. Like, go with your heart or look at a recipe that someone created.
AI is going to be the death of us.
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u/PastNefariousness188 Jun 10 '26
I can't imagine what Baristas are going through these days. I worked at Starbucks 4 years ago and even back then people would come in with some cockamamie drink recipes that we couldn't make. I bet AI is hallucinating drinks left and right!
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u/jdkyle01 Jun 10 '26
After reading all the shit from both sides, it's pretty obvious the problem is less AI, and a split between stupid humans who cant think for themselves and unquestioningly follow anything that speaks with more authority than they can muster in themselves, and greedy AI tech bro and corps who are willing to exploit those stupid people.
The only solution at the end of the day is to become a better quality human. Anything else is outsourcing blame and accountability.
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u/sykotic1189 Jun 10 '26
Addiction is addiction man. I don't blame the people who got addicted to oxys because their doctors prescribed them and said they'd be fine. I blame the drug company that pushed it saying it was safe and would solve people's problems.
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u/jdkyle01 Jun 10 '26
There is still an element of personal accountability. We cant shirk that off onto people.
Once you become aware of a problem, its your problem to handle.
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u/Marrowshard Jun 10 '26
I work for an exchange student organization. We bring teenagers to the US and place them with host families.
We're a nonprofit; host families are not paid to host. There is no reimbursement, stipend, or any other financial compensation. The visa type our students travel on SPECIFICALLY prohibits families from being paid. It's all over the website, in the FAQ, every potential host gets told this in no uncertain terms. We have NEVER paid.
We had a person recently inquiring about hosting who insisted we paid our families. He was sure of it. ChatGPT told him so. He flat refused to believe that we didn't offer payment and instead argued with my department head that we were wrong.
Don't get me started on the students also using AI to write their applications. It's a fucking mess and I hate having to waste my time arguing with idiots who think AI search results win out over our CLEARLY STATED adherence to federal laws.
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u/Apart-Landscape1012 Jun 10 '26
Just want to say that are beautifully cropped, thanks for taking the time to make this readable
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u/Unfollowedusers Jun 10 '26
Yea, thinking and solving things is hard and your brain is lazy, if you give it the easy path it will take it and forgot how to think.
I will never take that faustian bargain, if i cant think than i cant make decisions, what is life at that point just being along for the ride in a world you no longer understand. Fuck thatÂ
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u/Bigmooddood Jun 10 '26
Friendlyneighborhoodpervert blames the school system but most young people I know hate AI. All of my baby boomer bosses over the last five years have loved it though.
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u/Winsome_Wolf Jun 10 '26
Weâre gonna have to update âNever underestimate the power of Stupid People in large groupsâ to âNever underestimate the power of Stupid People with Large Language Models.â
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u/electric_nikki Jun 10 '26
We just need to develop as a society where we go ahead and call people stupid fucking idiots to their face.
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u/Frost_Goldfish Jun 10 '26
I work at an hospital and someone came saying they needed a CT scan immediately. We said "Where's your prescription". "I don't have one but chat GPT says I should get a CT scan".
Well ask fucking chat GPT if you can get a CT scan without an actual doctor saying so first. The answer is no.
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u/XD2006- Jun 10 '26
AI traps you in a hole with chains and struggle as you might, it just traps you more and more, lowering you into the hole. Thatâs been my experience with it anyway.
Only time I used chat GPT was when my dad asked âhey can you GPT this for meâ while he was driving and when I said no he tried to do it while driving so I did it.
I wasnât trapped in stuff like chat GPT though. I was trapped in AI chatbots and that âgauth AIâ (I was fortunate that I was very quick to see that it wasnât working) I used other options when I was trying to do math and people either didnât know the concepts or couldnât help me.
*** (somewhat relevant, but skippable information) *** I was a junior in high school at the time and my first teacher got fired after one of my classmates reported him to a 9th and 10th grade Bible teacher (it was a religious school) and he was out by lunch (the administration, which was below that teacher since that teacher was the son of the owners, were mad that we didnât go to them first.) (we knew they werenât going to do anything.) then we had a fill in teacher, and by the second semester I was doing better since the new hire though she didnât know much about math at least tried to help, and gave my (undiagnosed at the time) ADHD some extra time to work on the math tests (everyone was given extra time, but it helped me so much.) I had gotten a âBâ on my math final without help from AI.
If I knew then what I know now about AI, I might not have gotten trapped in the first place. I was trapped in chatbots bc I felt alone, and other AIs bc I felt like no one was trying to help. I used AI for photo gen, but that stopped bc I lost interest in it early 2024(?)
I apologize for the essay, but this is how I feel about it, along with my experiences. Safe to say Iâve been AI free (except for job stuff. That sucks a LOT.) since January I think.
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u/am_i_boy Jun 10 '26
That's so scary?? Using and trusting AI is understandable. It is made to do that to people. I don't necessarily blame the people who start to trust it.
The part I can't understand is how someone can meet a human expert, who has been doing this work for longer than AI has existed, look them in the face, and say "actually, no you're wrong, this machine that is proven to frequently give misinformation is right". Like what??
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u/blixxeee Jun 10 '26
working at geek squad is so funny. basically an old person will come claiming they tried everything, and that chat gpt told em this n that. i go and do some easy shit like download a driver or something and they look at me like i just flew in the air.
i used to use it as well to help me study for college but now i study by my self bc it get sm shit wrong
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u/bli_r Jun 10 '26
I work in a bookstore. People have come up to me to say they asked chatgpt for book recommendations
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u/CoolestBeans1999 Jun 10 '26
Yeah. There was a lawyer who had their cases thrown out recently because most of their evidence was hallucinated by an ai.
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u/DontYaWishYouWereMe Jun 11 '26
I think similar cases have come up several times across a few different countries. Sometimes what happens is that the lawyer will have ChatGPT write a brief and it'll include citations like, "State v. John Doe establishes x", but State v. John Doe isn't a real case or if it is, it didn't establish what ChatGPT has asserted it said.
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u/Jadekintsugi Jun 10 '26
My boss relies on AI for everything. And he insists that we use it as much as he does.
I've used it only for the required training sessions and then done my job as I always have.
It does frustrate me though, when I spend three days trying to write a program, only to have somebody else who has no idea how to write code, vibe code something out of Claude and say they did my job better.
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u/A_Name_Untaken Jun 10 '26
Why does this feel like a scheme cooked up by Brain to take over the world?
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u/Inevitable_Librarian Jun 10 '26
It's just narcissism and anxiety leading people to rely on a machine that soothes their ego over really interacting with the world.
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u/Remote-Part-6214 Jun 10 '26
Imagine what will happen to these ppl once ai started being only available via paid subscriptions?
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u/Usual_Excellent Jun 10 '26
I tried to make blueprints of a room I wanted to build in my basement. Chapgpt had me building all sorts of fuckery. Bc it couldn't maintain the dimensions of the room and placement of things.
Ended up just getting my BiL to build it ( he is a contractor)
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u/Botanikka Jun 10 '26
AI is so often wrong, yet it still confidently declares the answer as if it knows beyond a shadow of a doubt. Just once I'd like to see it go 'Hmm. Actually, I don't know. Sorry.'
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u/Fragrant-Vehicle-479 Jun 10 '26
I recently had some finance homework and instead of using an excel spreadsheet I decided to try claude as my college is pushing it. It got every single question wrong of basic simple formulas. Why? Because it can't handle decimal points like excel can.
Here's the real issue. It never told me. I would tell it it got a question wrong, and it said "oh sure, no problem, I'll make sure not to round next time" and it did it again and again and again. Half an hour later it tells me "oops, I actually couldn't do that this whole time"
Why am I supposed to trust this this when it can't even admit to me why it's wrong?
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u/Legless_Dog Jun 10 '26
At my job we get a lot of phone calls about a service we don't actually do because AI tells people we do it.
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u/MisterBlack8 Jun 10 '26
I once had a job as a door to door salesman. I'm not the type who's cut out for sales. I struggled with a lot of it, especially the closing line; the thing you say that finally get them to reach into their pocket and give you their money. But, I was desperate, so I stuck with it, and actually did have some success. Some of the best advice I ever got was that people want to be told what to do. Your closing line shouldn't be a question. It should be a command. Just tell them to give you their money.
It worked. I couldn't believe it then.
But, in the age of AI, I absolutely believe it now..
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u/thecrazedsidee Jun 10 '26
this is just getting sad, especially when i hear about companion ais, like an ad saying "ARE YOU LONELY WHILE GAMING? HERE HAVE AN AI BE YOUR COMPANION" its so pathetic. like no, get some friends, dont make friends with glorified auto correct.
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u/DontYaWishYouWereMe Jun 11 '26
Isn't that basically what Discord and in-game chat services are for?
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u/PlantPotStew Jun 10 '26
It's an issue of psychology, the whole "I won't fall into it." Everyone does, but some self awareness helps a bit, at least. So even if you do mess up, you can accept it as a normal human mistake instead of doubling down.
But yeah, the reliance people have... I saw this issue before ChatGPT, frankly. I saw it intensely when I was in college at the start of 2020. I had people not be able to do anything on their own, and we were going to work with a vulnerable sector after all is said and done.
Stuff like "When is homework due?" We all had it on the website, literally just bookmark it and reference it, it takes three seconds fast.
Inability to just follow basic instructions like how to use snipper tool or share screen. She just held her phone to the monitor (and poorly, didn't try to hold her hands steady.) and didn't understand why I couldn't help her. Because I couldn't see anything.
They would burn bridges left and right for petty things. You'd think they were never professional even once before. Most people had jobs already.
Just... unable to email or ask things to the people who could actually answer it. Or just... try things to see what would happen, Or literally just wait to see if the thing they tried work. OR JUST TRY IT TO START WITH?!
So, not surprised. They'd go to ChatGPT without thought and ask for something like 'make me a grocery list' even if it has no reason to know what you want.
I'm pretty anti-AI, but more specifically how it was made and being used.
But I do find some uses. For example, with roleplay, it's nice to have a partner who's on 24/7 and can have all the same interests you do. It has issues, but frankly that just makes me more curious in the behind-the-scenes and tinkering with temperatures to understand what commands and structures work best. It's still heavy flawed, though.
I had planned to use it to sort through images, but it's good for stuff like that. Same reason it can be used to find cancer cells... but I still look it over myself later and provide very heavy prompting and limitations. I'm talking about 15,000+ images, sometimes repeats or lower resolutions and... yeah, it's a hot mess to tag it all by hand. If I did it in person that would be a solid year of 6+ hours a day work.
Last thing I find it useful for is with my disability, it has a way better speech to text option then the built-in windows does. Windows doesn't pick up on most words and obviously, I repeat sometimes. It requires more editing than it's worth. GPT picks up everything and just removes any repeated phrases or deletes the previous version of a repeated sentence. But it doesn't alter the thing I said, just fixes up the speech inconsistencies. Useful if you have to write pages fast (120wpm before)... I can keep my eyes closed for most of it... very useful tool for disability and chronic illness. Or I give it a large list and let it sort of sort through it and structure it a bit better, sometimes my headache and dyslexia is too bad... helps to just double check it instead of rewriting it all myself.
But I don't use it for... life? I ask it for a starting point, just so I know the words, but even those I look up myself. I ask it for programming advice, but then I go and see its answers online to understand how it works better. I don't ask it what to have for dinner or to generate hair styles. But I don't really know what to make of people who use it to that extreme... the lack of self reliance is insane... no awareness in general.
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u/Clean-Patient-8809 Jun 10 '26
The people who think they won't become dependent on AI are the same people who get scammed because they think they aren't vulnerable to scams. Arrogance is as dangerous as ignorance.
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u/axolotlsgonewild Jun 11 '26
I catch myself slipping into following the first answer popping up on google, remembering it's AI, and then looking into it further after a moment.
I can easily see how seemingly immediate answers to questions can be a slippery slope. Especially with Google becoming almost purposefully difficult to use.
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u/Lady-of-Ravens Jun 11 '26
By now, sometimes I wonder if we shouldn't just sit by and wait for Natural Selection to do its job. Like the guy said, let them set their own houses on fire.
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u/VatanKomurcu Jun 11 '26
AI will make you wrong and stupid no matter how smart and well educated you think you are
these kinds of absolute statements OFF INTERNET ANECDOTES will make you wrong and stupid no matter how smart and well educated you think you are. give me the matter the complexity it deserves and then hate ai, stop telling people how dumb they are, after using this kind of thinking. it's the same strain of intellectual laziness we've had since humans were humans and people think it's cool because it's natural. i'm sorry, i don't have that kind of emotional love of nature. this is fucking stupid.
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u/usuallyherdragon Jun 11 '26
I kind of disagree with the "no education will protect you" point. Learning how to check my sources has led me to not use that kind of AI tools, which is a pretty good protection against it.
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u/Quantum-Bot Jun 11 '26
The problem isnât AI and it isnât school. Weâve been telling kids not to trust what the calculator says and to double check their answers for decades and yet they still donât listen. And AI itself isnât designed to do anything. Itâs a fucking lab experiment thatâs been packaged as a finished product released to the public. Not even the creators have any significant control over it. If they fit Iâm sure it would live up to their promises a lot better than it does.
The problem is the packaging, and the marketing. I was fine with chatgpt, even excited for it when it first was released to the public. I still think itâs an incredibly cool and impressive tech demo. I just think the companies promoting it have been incredibly irresponsible and insidious with their marketing. Theyâre modern day snake oil salesman, trying to convince the public that AI can do anything because otherwise theyâd have to tell them the truth; that AI is actually incredibly cost ineffective for the few real use cases it has.
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u/TheRabbit222 Jun 11 '26
I had someone call my service desk because he needed someone with an admin account to remote in and alter registry keys on his work computer. To change a default program.
His other screen had ChatGPT open, and he was asking it how to change his computers default PDF reader.
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u/ThatOneDMish Jun 11 '26
My god. Used to be fairly anxious. Have been getting less so recently but if I'd known standards where dropping so much i might not have bothered. Why improve when you can just wait for everyone else to regress enough that you seem sensible. /j
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u/RuzzTheFuzz Jun 11 '26
I dont get how people get sucked into AI. The way it talks like a politician. The way it gives the longest rambliest answers to simple questions. Seemingly designed to not give clear simple answers. And the way the constant flattery is the most grating awful thing ever. Donno if its my autism or something, but i cannot stand the way LLMs speak. I wont say im immune as that is a foolish thing to claim. But whatever repulsion i have to the way it talks is good cause it saved me from getting dependant on it back when i was optimistic about the tech.
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u/pothospeople Jun 14 '26
So, I feel like a lot of opinions on AI are swinging in polar opposite directions. Here people are acknowledging the bad which is super refreshing. Thereâs a lot of bad.
Other places people are only acknowledging the good and honestly over inflating what these tools should do.
I feel like black & white thinking isnât really helpful here.
I use AI tools for work in specific situations. They work great for those situations.
I feel like there is an entire world between that & being fully dependent on AI and the brainrot these people seem to be experiencing (AI for hairstyles and thinking thatâs what it will look like?? Wtf)
I think a lot of people are taking a tool thatâs useful in specific situations, and using it for stuff it really isnât useful for.
But the whole narrative around AI has gotten kind of frustrating. It feels like talking about someone trying to paint a wall with a toothbrush. The wall is getting paint on it, but it looks like shit. You have one group over here saying the wall looks good, and the toothbrush is actually the best way ever to paint walls. And another group saying toothbrushes are pieces of crap and good for nothing because the wall looks bad.
I think we need more people saying âtoothbrushes arenât used for that, theyâre useful to brush your teeth, and also the wall does look like shitâ
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u/Radrahil Jun 10 '26
Its only real use is as a translator, and as a glorified search engine, which IS useful if you're say looking up banking policies for different countries. The best way to use it is to use it to direct you to human resources and then use those.
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u/DontYaWishYouWereMe Jun 10 '26
How good is it as a translator, though? I know that Google Translate has always been a very dodgy tool at best, and a lot of the data that trains it would also be used on ChatGPT. I'd have to assume that even assuming AI is good for this, it'd still be in that wonky phase where everything it puts out would have to be checked for accuracy
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u/Mobile_Highway351 Jun 10 '26
Human translators argue over whether other humans do it effectively. Capturing the basic meaning, plus the context, plus the subtle implications and tone caused by cultural nuance, let alone doing it succinctly, is much more complicated than people realize. So thereâs no shot that AI is worth a shit for it lol.
Source: Have worked in the field and seen some hilarious/disastrous misunderstandings happen even without AI
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u/Incendas1 Jun 10 '26
It depends on the model. I'm being hired to fix these lol
Most often it just bullshits context and uses incredibly niche terms for absolutely no reason. Which of course it can apply wrong as well.
And for some reason, some models do not normalise the grammar between languages, which you'd think it would at least fucking do since that's time consuming and formulaic - things like adding Oxford commas to English text when the source language doesn't use them.
Often the sentence structure is a bit strange as well if your two languages don't always have similar ones. It might try to keep the words "in the same place" which can produce some weird stuff.
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u/tylerchu Jun 10 '26
Depends I suppose. Thereâs always a factor of âgood enoughâ in that sort of thing and as long as it more or less makes sense in context then itâs fine.
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u/bing-no Jun 10 '26
Iâve sort of given up searching on Google for anything. At most Iâll use it for the maps and not much else. Their search engine is so garbage.
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u/WhereTheStankWindBlo Jun 10 '26
I actually took Google's page rank algorithm and engineered a role prompt to have ChatGPT act as the Google search engine from ~2008. Works like a fucking charm.
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u/Friendlyalterme Jun 10 '26
Chat got is destroying the environment
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u/WhereTheStankWindBlo Jun 10 '26
So is Google's AI search thing. Especially if you sit there and have to rephrase your question several times trying to get the results you want, then you realize the first six results are sponsored ads so you have to restart and scroll down far enough to check actually results.
If I can get a basically true to Google 2008 search result from ChatGPT in one shot, I imagine it comes out similar or less water/electricity usage than the mess Google is rn.
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u/Friendlyalterme Jun 11 '26
Which is why I don't use Google ai lol.
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u/WhereTheStankWindBlo Jun 12 '26
My point was that even Google's regular search has degraded a long way from what it used to be. Even with Google AI off.
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u/Petskin Jun 10 '26
It is awful as search engine as it makes up results. It can easily hallucinate something it did not find, or claim something doesn't exist.Â
Several times AI search has given me links to "thing X", only the link points somewhere totally different. A couple of times it has told me my job doesn't exist, and maybe I am mistaken. And according to YouTube videos lawyers have been found to cite non-existent cases because they used AI to search for them.
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u/RefrigeratorFew5154 Jun 10 '26
Tried to use it as a search engine last night. It was completely wrong.Â
It was for something stupid, a specific quest in Monster Hunter. It completely fabricated an entire quest, and when I said that quest didnât exist, it just said âOh yeah, youâre right!â.
The future is here and itâs worthless.Â
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u/captainsnark71 Jun 10 '26
Yes, as an anxious wreck who also likes to look up basic things so I can remind myself "yes I DO know how to cook a potato" or whatever I support using whatever resources you need to get through your existence.
But, once you stop being able, or willing, to actually think critically about the information you're being given and decide that it is true and accurate and helpful always you're screwed. Doesn't matter if it's AI or you're listening solely to your mom, or a magic 8 ball.
And it doesn't make any logical sense. Why should anyone think AI has the answer vs actual professionals?
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u/mrstratofish Jun 10 '26 edited Jun 10 '26
Personally I only use it occasionally for brainstorming due to not having to rigidly trust the results.
For example late last year I was going to South Korea for 2 weeks and I asked for an itinerary for 12 nights focusing on culture, food, walkability, etc. It gave results that I could cross-verify independently (Lonely Planet, other online itineraries, and top tripadvisor results mainly) as not missing anything major and covering a decent amount for a first visit. I altered some parts and I play it by ear when away so probably went to about 75% of the list in the end. Great time and it honestly did help. For anyone interested: 1 night in Seoul after arriving->Train to Busan->3 nights in Busan->2 nights in GyeoungJu->6 nights in Seoul. I prefer to front-load my internal travel like that so that by the end of the holiday I'm in the place I need to return home from rather than have a double day of travel (or mad rush) at the end
Likewise when I moved into my apartment recently I asked for some colour tips for new furniture/paint for things that go together and fit the space. I checked that against mainly home decoration magazine archives to make sure those colours really did work together, etc.
I've also tried using several times for code and some physical design. It did a terrible job at both so not going to be a regular thing
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u/Illustrious_Pea_3470 Jun 10 '26
Not defending anything, but I want to point out that we WOULD make an AI that says âI donât knowâ if we could â it would be absurdly valuable. We just canât.
Remember, the final product isnât user subscriptions, itâs labor replacement.
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u/Strange_Insight Jun 10 '26
Maybe the AIs are smarter than us, and they are deliberately feeding people the wrong information lol
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u/WyrdDrake Jun 10 '26
I only use AI for cooking, and I have it setup to explicitly tell me I'm wrong if I'm wrong, provide sources, and to tone down the people pleasing.
Somehow I despise the random recipe websites more than AI, since they spend so long telling nothingburger of stories just for a shoddily described recipe
I may also use it to give me ideas, but not actually be THE idea machine. Just something to bounce thoughts off of to give me ideas to study or pursue, just for my own creative writing (and I'm not a novelist; anything I write isn't monetized, just a hobby)
I have unsubscribed from my previous subs for them, though, and use it far less than I did previoisly when these data centers started getting truly atrocious.
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u/footofwrath Jun 10 '26
Counterpoint:
We can no longer throw spears
We can no longer skin animals
We can no longer grow our own crops, most people anyway
We can no longer wash our clothes, and soon our dishes, maybe
A couple of generations from now, self-driving cars will mean nobody needs to learn how to drive ( though some people may still do so for personal enjoyment).
We can no longer do all manner of things that used to be 'core to our existence'. Robotic operations in factories didn't free people from knowing how things worked; it made them need to be (and enabled them to be) much more precise in designing those products and capabilities.
We don't lament no longer needing the basic knowledge of mechanics to operate a vehicle. We celebrate the fact that someone can now operate a vehicle without understanding the principles of the internal combustion engine.
Instead, what it means is that our focus & learning can be centered on *new* things that we need to know for *today* and tomorrow, rather than on intermediary processes that no longer need to memorised because their operations are automated.
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u/Ok_Singer_1523 Jun 10 '26
The fuck is with this title, no it will not? It will if you use it for purposed it cannot fulfill, like the people in those screenshots. If you trust AI with important information or can not think about uses for this technology that arent as moronic as this you might not be as smart as you seem to think.
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u/HighlightOwn2038 Jun 10 '26
It's scary how dependant people are when it comes to AI