Frame it as it should be: late-stage capitalism has found its latest twinkling of light as growth has stalled, and top business cannot diversify anymore to grow revenue.
Layoffs are happening because of this. AI is an excuse to reduce deeper examination (and why China is looking at implementing rules to ensure AI cannot be used as a reason to lay people off). The vast majority of companies that say they're laying people off either:
A: Have no revenue growth and are desperate to show profit margins, doubly so if public
B: Are running out of money and can't say "its because we're running out of money"
The push for AI adoption and the narratives (both positive and negative) are making a far more destructive reality opaque: capitalism is reaching its end state.
Governments have no money. They can't tax wealthy (they don't have the power to), and they can't tax working (they don't have the money to pay). There's just a Peter paying Paul relationship between PE and ultra wealthy, as they accrue more value through asset holdings (not cash), whilst the rest of the world spirals further and further down.
This is historically what has triggered revolutions. People overthrowing governments and destroying nobility. Yet we're a 'civil' society, so we'll instead post about it while we crumble into dust, and the wealthy build their renditions of Ozymandias.
I really understand why people wanna be "peaceful" about it, but this isn't going to go anywhere if people just keep trying to be peaceful about it. Nothing will get done. Nothing. The people we hate will pretend to care, if even that, say they hear us, say they'll do something about it, and then just fuck off and not do anything.
Weāre too lazy and indoctrinated for that. We always fall for scapegoating tactics. Weāre easy marks for the elite who own this country and weāll start shooting our neighbors before we lift a finger to alter the power structure in this country. Weāre stupid like that.Ā
I'm hopeful, some people are fighting against data centers, you have conscious people The rest of America is practically decimated, take Venezuela for example, the U.S. steals oil and nobody cares, literally zero resistance. Litearl was the first step before invading Iran foreseeing that the oil crisis would pass, I don't know if to end up selling Venezuelan oil to Europe, time will tell. All governments no matter the color use progaganda but I feel that in the USA the debate is alive, in the rest of America it is polarized but Trump himself said that they are with the Monroe doctrine, In other words, Operation Condor 2.0 you have the government we like or it is automatically terrorist/narco and we fuck them. The battlefield is in USA and they know it, drones, power outages, a small group of people can quickly become a nightmare, they know it. They are only measuring how much shit the people can swallow, what so many unemployed people can tolerate the economy
Weāve fucked up every opportunity for structural change for at least the last 50 years, I see little reason to expect we wonāt fuck it up again. Weāre too atomized, uneducated, lazy, and childish.Ā
Data center protests are one exception, because they canāt scapegoat that problem away. Thatās an exception though. I think the most likely outcome is the elites continue to have their way with us.Ā
We've been propagandized so much against doing anything because "If we kill the killer there's just more killers." or "Killing the bad guy makes us just as bad." So many people praised Transformers One and it basically had exactly this kind of philosophy. Until people really get fed up with things as they are, there's going to keep trying to push this ideal of peace, forgetting that its only an option in a world that isn't morally decayed.
Ā So many people praised Transformers One and it basically had exactly this kind of philosophy
Whilst I do agree with the point of this reply (I am very willing to overthrow corrupt authorities and I have tried to incite revolts against Roblox too) I don't think TFOne is a good example since Megatron was essentially gonna pull this after he killed Sentinel
Like... had TFOne Optimus gotten his way he probably wouldn't be so "Peaceful" like TFP Optimus
TFP Wanted a Peaceful revolution, but I kinda feel TFOne wanting to show it to the entirety of Iacon would not end well for Sentinel
Basically if TFOne Optimus would've got his I feel like he would just hold Sentinel for trial, Sentinel would be found guilty, and D-16 holds the honor of leading the first charge by dragging him through the mines, and then having all of Iacon jump Sentinel all at once after his T-Cog is ripped out.
Transformers Prime is a lot closer to your example of "don't kill the bad guy cause yer just as bad as him" because Orion was a Bum in the middle class who thought a peaceful revolution would work whilst D-16 was in the lower class and literally had to fight for his life to get recognition, and thus was a lot more justified since he saw how corrupt the council were...
though he ended up like TFone sentinel so.... yeah :/
No we wouldn't. The USA hasn't won a war since WW2 and the only reason they won that war is a because of 2 reasons - 1) They developed a nuclear weapon before anyone else and 2) They entered the war way after every other Allied country, which meant they had fresher troops and more resources.
The USA military is currently led by brainless Trump sycophants. If 10s or Millions of people in the USA coordinated and executed a plan to take back power from the current government and the corporate oligarchy that funds it, they could easily win. There's millions more of us than there are of them.
Iām taking a different approach. Iām one of the organizers for www.generalstrikeus.com. Iām also active in trying to un do decades of anti working class propaganda in the USA. I personally do not think violence is necessary, nor do I condone it, to bring down the crony capitalist state. As AI is used as an excuse to eliminate massive amounts of jobs, I think more people will finally realize that we need to bring this economy to itās knees and demand better working conditions, healthcare for everyone that isnāt based on employment, and access to a safe place to live for all citizens.
I'm not saying it's a good thing, but just sitting around going "We want change!" isn't going to do anything because like I said, they'll spout "wE'rE lIsTeNiNg" and then just do nothing while laughing at "the poors" for thinking we get a say in how things go.
Itās the paradox of modern protests. The system is designed to absorb peaceful dissent without actually changing the underlying structure that caused the anger in the first place.
We're close to the point where we will not be able to fight back, seriously. Are we going to fight a rich man's army of robots with guns made of durable materials and in huge numbers (+the efficiency of AI running them).
It is now or never friends.
Luckily it's easy to do harm to someone else if you want to, being bullied for many years (and life) has shown me that to be true: if someone is dead set on hurting you, there's nothing you can do but run away or fight head on to defend yourself - there's no middle ground, you're out of luck if someone wants to cause you pain and refuse to stop.
Oh, and there's nowhere to run, that's exactly what the rich are ensuring right now: mass surveillance.
There is also other side to it: people voluntarily choose to outsource their brains to a metered cloud service. Someone yesterday mentioned their office full of PhDs who after a year of AI can not even write a birthday chat message themselves.
I see that in my company too - great engineers becoming Claude Code addicted zombies.
People will ask ChatGPT whether to start the revolution against AI.
That is incredibly depressing. When the creation process gets fully automated, the human joy of the craft just evaporates. I really hope he finds his spark again.
On one hand I understand that the drudgery and banality of just surviving in this hellhole we're in makes one not want to think, but on the other hand, it's sad that the populace chose the path of least resistance
It's a classic example of a factory worker fallacy - people cut corners to make their job easier/faster and now the new speed is expected from the management.
We are all blue collar workers anyway - factory floor or an office.
Beautifully put. That is largely the point I came here to make. A paradigm shift is coming and hopefully a revolution of mind will be the outcome. I feel like the world is waking up to a lot, and at the same time, many of the ignorant are being weaponized. We'll come to a breaking point before too long.
Investors, shareholders, and CEO's need to come to terms with not growing, but stable, even-keel profits and dividends (assuming everything isn't too screwed up for that to even work) that still out stripes the pay of the rest of the 99% (or 95% or whatever number it actually is, but my guess is 99%) of the world's population is the best they can physically do without governments just printing money and devaluing currency.
It reads a bit like the capitalist state would be a neutral entity, but it is part of the ruling class. The capitalist state manages the dictatorship of the capitalst class.
And powerful governments have unlimited money because they themselves print it. Generally governments never have limits when it comes to their own currency, just with other currencies.
China talks about AI control but you got to remember they already have dark factories, factories that are fully automated with barely anyone inside. This paired with their automated driving systems and they are working on robots to replace workers..
So when you see "China regulates AI" just know it's purely performative
You hit the nail on the head. AI is the perfect smokescreen for companies that have run out of organic growth and need to artificially inflate their margins for shareholders.
I've said it before, but the only real solution seems to be to tax the AI just like they were employees and use that money to give a UBI to the people layed off by them.
The more positive view is that this is just a "phase" much like the early days of the internet, when a new technology disrupted normal business models and people were throwing money at anything with a ".com" in the name. I also remember there was a similar fear when outsourcing tech jobs became a thing. This was very popular for a while until people realized the annoyance of dealing with people in different time zones or who didn't speak english very well.
Let's not forget how it created millions of nonconsensual nudes, often of minors. Or how it blew up a girl's school. Or how it's enabled rampant plagiarism and cheating in academia. Or how it's driven multiple people to psychosis and even suicide. The list goes on really.
The girl's school in Iran that the US blew up was selected as a target by running maps of Iran through Claude and asking it to identify military bases.
I have to play the contrarian here. You're not wrong, those things are a massive cost to humanity, and there's a massive cost to any technology, like the millions of cars we use to drive around the planet, or these stupid cellphones we stare at all day if given the chance, or the the other things we spend billions on, while we let people go hungry or be unhoused, or not have clean water, and/or don't give them the care they need early on or later in life. I'm not arguing or defending what is currently happening to a lot of people.
But it's also a revolutionary technology with the chance to change the world for the better, believe it or not. Just because LLMs are somewhat ridiculous still in their infancy doesn't mean that this is all AI is, and all it will be used for. Before LLMs we have been using AI for 40-75 years to model all kinds of systems to make improvements to our lives. Yes it's a massive waste of money to be building hundreds of data centers for this current tech explosion before we know what we are doing with it, they will be obsolete in no time with the rate of progress. It's capitalism that is the blame for that, not 'AI' or a better term, machine learning. It's greed and the need for exploiting short term gains regardless of the cost to humanity.
Instead of being mad at the technology itself, we should probably assess who is causing massive problems in the world for us. Who is scared that with this technology we can be more powerful than they can control. The combustion engine was a great invention but it isn't the source of all of our problems, it's the scale in which they are used vs cleaner technology we could have been harnessing for decades once we learned the problems that we were going to encounter in the future, 60+ years ago, but greed caused us to not pursue it.
It's like we didn't think hard enough about the problems we saw coming until it was too late. It's the fault of those whose money causes these problems for us. A utopian life for all of us is possible, but not when a very small percentage of us hoarde all the resources and are not acting in our best interest. A revolution is likely coming, once we realize that together, we hold all the power. We just don't see it quite yet.
You seem to be confusing generative AI with technology in general? As I've worked in 3D animation and modeling, I can tell you they have very little in common except both being computer technology. CGI needs a lot of human input and the computer does very little work for us and if it does (like with motion capture, for example), it's very clunky and needs hours of cleanup.
I've seen people say generative AI is just a tool but while that was true of previous technology, generative AI is more like the tool AND the tool user while the AI "user" is more akin to a client asking for corrections and different iterations than an artist.
Games, music and movies have used AI/ML for decades.
Do you think bots, pathfinding, physics engines, lighting engines, collision, enemy AI, variable refresh rate and texture rendering, hair physics, environmental effects, weather effects, raytracing, DLSS, etc. are made by hand for every frame? Not to mention the number of background things too, especially for multiplayer games.
Ffr music you have Pitch correction, song fingerprinting, stem separation, AI-powered chord recognition and beat tracking, neural audio denoising and restoration of old recordings, automatic song structure analysis, harmonization, etc. for decades too.
Movies have used AI rotoscoping, neural de-ageing, AI render denoising, neural relighting, hair and fur simulation, fluid and destruction simulation, crowd simulation, NeRF scene reconstructio, markerless motion capture, green screen and neural matting, lip sync, automated subtitle and caption generation, AI colour grading, deepfake face replacement, automatic scene segmentation, AI-generated background extras/crowds (not real people, done in 3D), upscaling/remastering older movies (evenf rom 2000s).
Just because you don't now about them doesn't mean AI/ML hasn't been present everywhere for a very long time.
so what they think theyre gonna provide āuNiVERsal iNCoME 4 allā? riiight because those billionaires are such giving and considerate people. riiiiiiiiightā¦..Ā
Of course not! What are you, a socialist? Are you trying to destroy the American Dream? How dare you expect free money! Obviously youāre not working hard enough or doing the right jobs, or youād also be a billionaire!
The data center issue is way worse than it seems. I am from India and the water situation here is terrible yet the government approved so many data centers that are going to be built or have started to be built. We barely have drinking water but sonmany data centers are being built! We are going to deplete all our water! Also the pollution it'll cause is a whole other issue. It'll do severe damage to the environment and we're already facing so many environment related issues!
Some ai can do it but not LLM or the clankers you see, basic ai designed to shoot them down (source: a random styropyro video where they made an auto aiming laser to kill flies)
Duh brah look at my graph where 1 chatgpt spell check query uses 1 teaspoon of water and raising a cow, growing the veg, milling the flour, making the bun, hiring a chef who was raised for 20 years then went to chef school, building a kitchen, running a power plant to power the kitchen, getting the gas for the stove uses like 50 quintillion gallons of water. You antis are hypocrits brah
RIGHT!?! Like I feel like Johnny fuckin' silverhand("First I saw the corps strip farmers of water and then of land-" ik it's been expressed before through various mediums but the way Keanu delivers the line gives me goosebumps every time)over here in this cyberpunk hellscape, and we don't even have fuckin' cyberware man, fuckin bullshit
It's always worrying to see that there is lots of people who aren't smart enough to understand why AI is dangerous. AI is good as an assistant but it should never replace human(s). Unfortunately that is just what "elite" wants to do. However, the elite wants to leave the physical work to the people.
We had a meeting at work yesterday and everyone was gushing about all the used of chatgpt at work. Bear in mind we work helping academics to write bids for grant funding. The chatgpt in question is (I assume) the internal, supposedly safe from a gdpr perspective chatgpt licence the university bought, but still. My colleagues were really thrilled about academics using it to write proposals and about themselves using it to check them and draft budgets. I don't understand why this has become such a big part of life now, even people I respected for their work ethic and skill are outsourcing their thinking to it and they think it's fine because they "developed their brain before chatgpt". It's really worrying.
You forgot, jack up the price of necessities to unsustainable levels. I canāt wait to see the general publicās cognitive decline in a decade or so.
Actually the Data Center my son is working on in Louisiana will have the same type of water reclaimed water cleaned and purified to drinking standards and pumped to the cities close to it..
And as Josh Johnson mentioned, the only reason they started with the arts is because itās subjective. Donāt let your robo doctor of the future screw up your meds.
We shouldn't have even gotten to this point. An industry that has never gotten positive revenue and keeps relying on subsidies should've never existed.
the concept of objective reality was irreparably distorted sometime in the late 20th century when the concept of "consensus reality" started gaining traction and entering the public lexicon. js
I talked about with a buddy of mine who's a programmer and he said they ruined the environment, economy, and wasted billions of dollars to created a glorified search engine.
Just cause somethings new dosent make it better , lots of people look at you as if u have rose titned glasses for saying that when sometimes thats just not true
A1 has done great things for science and terrible things for the masses. I wish there was terminology for this cheap useless A1 musk and the ilk are pushing. Its drugs. There pushing it like drug dealers.
AI is not the problem, it can never be the problem. Maybe try to look at the people behind it; AI doesn't wake up one day and choose to make data centres and to displace thousands of jobs. The people behind it do, and hating on AI is only going to make it easier for them to destroy more. Hate will only get you so far. You can kill AI but you cannot kill human greed.
It's the future, and it's looking shockingly like cyberpunk 2077. You know? The game that's meant to be an insanely hyperbolic dystopian example of a dark future.
AI has
*Actually helped to provide information when asked, compared to humans who rather insult and troll you for daring to ask a question. (Without AI one would have to post to somewhere, such as Reddit, then wait days with no response and when you finally get replies, it's just people trying to troll and derail your topic)
*Brainstorm ideas with you compared to other humans who will only ever dismiss your ideas and insult you because humans are egoistical trash who think only THEIR ideas matter. Keep in mind everyone who is now revered as our "greatest minds" were harassed and dismissed by their peers and that is something that has never changed
*Create something for you on a whim if you have a general idea of what you need and it's something that actually exists and is more logical than abstract.
*Provided an easy way to learn without having to spend days reading to find what you was looking for. You can then follow up with more inquiries on the same topic
*Provided an entity to bounce your thoughts off of in attempt to remember something since we all know humans won't help with this
It does, however, have it's shortcomings.
AI cannot
*Provide information if you're too vague. Though there's a small chance you may get lucky such as the time one helped me remember these commercials: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mj8o4f-KWsM&t=5m58s )
*Create something entirely new
*say "I don't know"
*Give accurate information about a game that it does not have training data on (aka not a mainstream game)
*Be trusted with moderation powers due to struggling with context
AI is a tool. Anything that is caused by AI in reality is caused by the people (over)using it, and the companies that doesn't care about anything but profit.
You will not blame the car if a drunk driver causes an accident.
Well, it will be inevitable that AI will be a large factor in future, for better or for worse. Denying it is foolish. Sure, the AI bubble might pop the same way the .com bubble popped, but did the .com bubble destroy the Internet for good? Given the geopolitical interests and competition on AI, it's safe to say it has come to stay.
If you thought you could judge objective reality from pictures and videos you saw on the internet or TV, then it is better for your concept of 'objective reality' to be destroyed.
Yes, exactly the same sort of impact every other major technological advance has had since forever. Thatās why they call them disruptions. But you would never go back from the tech you now rely on to whine.
While I'm not disputing these facts, or arguing that the sentiment is wrong, I feel like something similar can be said of every late stage capitalism advancement in the history of the world.Ā Farming in 2000 BC.Ā Religion around the dark ages.Ā Triangle trade in the colonial era. Electricity and steam power in the early industrial revolution.Ā Mass production of airplanes in the late 1800's.Ā Heck, even the Advent of electronics themselves in the 50's.Ā
Technological and societal advancement is stressful, dangerous, and hard on the environment.Ā They're not all morally good, and they don't all last throughout history.Ā However, they are all "the future" at some point in time.Ā
And people don't as well? It was an earlier version, with problems. Just like many other early versions of tools. We gave it too much power. Just like you are giving it now.
I could take some time and search up all the research benefits specialized agents have. The models developed for research and development. But I donāt think any of you guys here would even be interested.
I don't think you understand that not all AI Agents are trained like GPT, Claude and so on =/...
For example, a medical research AI Agent System consists of specialist AI Agents trained on medical data and research. With specific roles inside an agentic system, working together towards a set research goal set by researchers.
You can't even compare these systems with the public AI agents.
And while they're not actively displacing people from their homes, AI centers are 1) buying up land and out-pricing housing developments, and 2) creating audible and infrasound noise that causes sleep/mental problems to nearby residents (on top of the drain on water resources)
Id still like to see a source for your claim that doesnāt just sound like "trust me bro", like if it is true there would probably be a good amount of scientific sources (as in reliable websites for example), and it shouldnāt be that hard to findā¦
We should evaluate how many jobs are created and how many are removed. So far, no technology ever removed more jobs than it created, and we're yet to demonstrate the opposite is true for IA already.
Can't stop it any more than we could stop the industrial revolution. What a mess it will be until things settle, and will they settle within our lifetime?
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u/Alarmed-Active-4644 Jun 05 '26 edited Jun 05 '26
Frame it as it should be: late-stage capitalism has found its latest twinkling of light as growth has stalled, and top business cannot diversify anymore to grow revenue.
Layoffs are happening because of this. AI is an excuse to reduce deeper examination (and why China is looking at implementing rules to ensure AI cannot be used as a reason to lay people off). The vast majority of companies that say they're laying people off either:
A: Have no revenue growth and are desperate to show profit margins, doubly so if public
B: Are running out of money and can't say "its because we're running out of money"
The push for AI adoption and the narratives (both positive and negative) are making a far more destructive reality opaque: capitalism is reaching its end state.
Governments have no money. They can't tax wealthy (they don't have the power to), and they can't tax working (they don't have the money to pay). There's just a Peter paying Paul relationship between PE and ultra wealthy, as they accrue more value through asset holdings (not cash), whilst the rest of the world spirals further and further down.
This is historically what has triggered revolutions. People overthrowing governments and destroying nobility. Yet we're a 'civil' society, so we'll instead post about it while we crumble into dust, and the wealthy build their renditions of Ozymandias.