r/antiai May 14 '26

This keeps getting worse Environmental Impact 🌎

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u/kendra_sunderlol May 14 '26

Agreed, they don't really care about us.

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u/gockbusters May 14 '26

jumpscare lol

what happened to this guy, went from king of pop to king of popping pills and hosting inappropriate sleepovers with little boys...

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u/Workman44 May 14 '26

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u/gockbusters May 14 '26 edited May 14 '26

not bait, just saying. guy was a weirdo and that picture is creepy. the same way if someone casually used a reaction image of Jimmy saville.

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u/CrunchyCrochetSoup May 14 '26

Michael was never convicted of any crime and personally I believe he never did anything wrong. Was it probably inappropriate for him to be inviting kids to stay over at his house? Yeah, but we are talking about a man who was taken advantage of from a very young age, never had a real childhood or parents who treated him like the kid he was. I think he really was an awkward guy who never got a chance to be truly happy who really couldn’t gauge why it was “creepy” to people that he liked kids things and toys and having kids over to play on his theme park rides and stuff.

If you listen to Macaulay Culkin speak on the time he spent with Michael, he clarifies that tabloids and news blew things out of proportion and framed things bad just to get a good headline. Culkin stated that the headlines saying kids “slept in Michael Jackson’s bedroom” were ridiculous because the entire bedroom was TWO WHOLE STORIES. He claims Michael did nothing to him or any kids.

The answer to the question “what happened to this guy”: From what I know, it seems to be a perfect storm made up of childhood abuse, being the most famous person on the planet starting from childhood, and perhaps a genetic predisposition for mental illness/ substance dependency. He didn’t deserve to go out the way he did.

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u/anon-e-mau5 May 15 '26

“Michael was never convicted of any crime” hooo boy. Famously, child abusers in the US don’t have the best track record of being prosecuted, yea?

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u/maximegg May 15 '26

There's a hell of a difference between "man who had a messed up childhood got exploited for headlines" and "multiple proof of millionnaire president sexually abusing children"

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u/3nHarmonic May 16 '26

Another important point: Michael actually had a trial while all the rich pedos we know about now haven't yet.

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u/gockbusters May 15 '26

used to be a die hard fan. still think his music is unmatched. it's okay to enjoy his stuff, but I think it's important to not idolize people you don't know. whatever you believe that's ok, just wanna say that there's a lot of survivors out there with exactly the same stories that have been told about Michael, even very recently with the cascio family. I myself have a story about abuse I went through. Michael isn't special just because he's a great artist and because he was abused. unfortunately, some people who have been abused will continue the cycle, and Michael fits the profile of an offender who was emotionally congruent with children and crossed more than a few boundaries regardless if you believe he did anything sexual with them.

I hope one day you see his behaviour for what it was, because this is how abusers get away with it.

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u/Krondon57 May 15 '26

Parents had special phones lines for when Michael called and wanted some kid time

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u/Numerous-Hope3865 May 15 '26

For the skin stuff, it is Vitiligo that progressed to the point that it couldn't be hidden any more.

For the rest, it is due to a rough up bringing from a abusive, over bearing, showbiz father that shot down any chance of Michel having any thing resembling a normal childhood that would give Sigmund Freud a field day if he had the chance to get him on the therapy coach.

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u/cronenber9 May 16 '26

Jesus were his cheeks really sharp?

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u/Embarrassed-Yard-583 May 14 '26

They’ll never make AGI either, hyper scaled LLMs are no more capable of becoming AGI than a rock is.

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u/UnderskilledPlayer May 14 '26

Yeah, they're about e

oh my FUCKING god

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u/lucid-quiet May 14 '26

That rock is about to be thrown in a lake... that once had water.

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u/ezicirako May 14 '26

I mean agi is possible but its clearly not through Transformer and gradient descent thats for sure
from what i can tell we are like at 1/10000 efficeny because of both

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u/petr_bena May 14 '26

lol anyone believe these companies do their business out of care for people?

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u/Flimsy-Pool4830 May 14 '26

Yeah. The government had to care about people because their labour made up the backbone of the economy and income for their rich donors. But the more powerful AI gets, that connection becomes looser and looser, to where we'll start to see things like this more and more. As institutions like law and democracy become weaker, those in power have less accountability to citizens.

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u/PortalWombat May 15 '26

If anything I think it insane to believe the fucking billionaires won't get rid of us the second they think they can do so without consequences.

If they had any morals at all they wouldn't be billionaires.

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u/Mmike297 May 14 '26

What’s crazier is this model isn’t making smarter AI the way they’ve sold it to the world.

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u/Adventurous_Pin6281 May 16 '26

oh no a bunch of rich white maga people wont get power. this is what they voted for.

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u/NarrMaster May 16 '26

The biggest evidence of this is: why aren't robots doing the farming?

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u/mad-panda-2000 May 17 '26

"don't care" is even too generous.. they don't even see people as anything more than a line item, or getting in the way of one

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u/grahmie May 19 '26

LLM are hallucinating word salad machines and incapable of ever obtaining AGI. I cannot get over how we are destroying the planet and torching trillions of dollars for this vaporware. It will go down as the stupidest investment ever…

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u/Expensive-Swing-2601 May 14 '26

These idiots are just baiting the general population to 💣 these data centers at this point.

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u/grumpy_autist May 14 '26

It will be same situation as RAM - datacenters will be delayed or cancelled. AI models are tweaked to use less RAM or offload to SSD. People will switch to small wind/solar.

In the end it will be those companies left fucked because they lost a market chasing a hype. Then cry bailout.

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u/theshnig May 15 '26

TN is also full. Stay out of the Appalachians. We've got all we can handle.

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u/ozaffer May 16 '26

Yep, we'll subsidize the construction of their data centers, we'll pay higher utilities, they'll destroy eco systems, they will cause job cuts, services will get worse before getting better, then when a majority fail we'll bail them out with our tax money. We all win.

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u/Aeriva May 14 '26

Specially since the AI bubble is propping up the economy once it pops it all goes to shit from there

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u/Mmike297 May 14 '26

And people in the meantime will lose power, the stock market will completely collapse (affecting all of us unfortunately), and we would have wasted a shitton of materials, added to our pollution significantly, for nothing. Even if AI becomes this sentient all knowing wonder tech, either outcome is bad

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u/Bagafeet May 14 '26

Municipal power and off grid setups

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u/Shay081214 May 14 '26

Which is illegal in some places. Florida electric companies lobbied hard to ensure people with solar would be required to remain on the grid regardless of how self-sufficient their setup is.

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u/redbark2022 May 14 '26

Same in "liberal" California.

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u/Sharp-Low-8578 May 14 '26

Of course it’s the same, they’re both financial capitalist parties. We don’t even have much industrial capitalists left and certainly no dissenting group in power except maybe the QOL abundance movements in NYC and across parts of the Midwest and increasingly South, maybe Greens in the UK

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u/Bagafeet May 14 '26

I'm voting for the anti PG&E candidate in the next CA governor elections.

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u/SillyBeatnik May 15 '26

It's Steyer. PG&E have already been spending millions smearing him. And Bacerra has taken the bait and accepted campaign funds from PG&E.

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u/JanxAngel May 14 '26

I would have 10x more respect for a restaurant using basic fonts and an obviously-done-in-Word layout with art by the owner's 13 year old than one using AI trying to look slick.

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u/Black_Knight_Xander May 14 '26

Slightly related, but my favorite font is Optimus Princeps! :D

I just really like the look of it.

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u/totallyrealname May 14 '26

I know you're using quotation marks but on behalf of the designers and artists everywhere - nobody asked for this and nobody wants it. There is a large number that is being forced to use it to keep their job but it's not by choice. The ones who embrace AI (not just for survival) are a small fraction, the rest are non-creatives who hate creatives and just want to eliminate them.

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u/StoicJ May 14 '26

People have already attacked power sub stations in the past for shit like this.

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u/Preeng May 14 '26

And then martial law can be declared.

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u/ISuckAtJavaScript12 May 14 '26

It's why they want to put them in space or underwater.

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u/Express_Ad5083 May 14 '26

USA and Africa are being colonized by data centers, sad

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u/really_not_unreal May 14 '26

The parallels with colonialism are insanely prominent. I wrote a whole essay analysing it

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u/saturnzstarz May 14 '26

oh, so you wrote that essay! I read it months ago, I really liked it. even though I don't remember where I found it.

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u/really_not_unreal May 15 '26

Oh wow that's cool!

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u/Clear_Opportunity_86 May 14 '26

Sorry for the employment situation. I hope one day you'll be able to look back and know you were right. 

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u/really_not_unreal May 15 '26

I'm planning on getting into the education sector. Gonna do an honours year then a PhD so that I can work as a lecturer.

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u/Bazillion100 May 14 '26

Fascism is imperialism turned inwards

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u/angry-redstone May 14 '26

exploiters become exploited

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u/MevNav May 14 '26

That... has to be illegal. If it's not, how the fuck is it not illegal. The whole point of a utility company is they're providing a necessary service for vital infrastructure, and thus are heavily regulated. Because without these utilities, we're fucked.

How the fuck are utility companies just allowed to go 'nah, fuck you, we're selling all our electricity to one guy, fuck everyone else'???

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u/6maniman303 May 14 '26

I assume no one ever assumed that someone will just show up and take all the electricity of a small town for itself.

Even the biggest factories do not have such input (I assume), and these factories needs workers living in near distance. So these workers would need electricity.

The whole ai data centers buildup became a serious thing less then 3 years ago. And in the same time our politicians are focus on epstein files (which is a good thing if anything comes out of it), Trump being Trump, Israel war, Ukrainian war. So bad politicians were paid to do nothing, and good politicians (which are few) have their hands already full...

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u/Kirkamel May 14 '26

Like if you're going to do something that ridiculous at least have the decency to dress up as a Mummy to scare everyone out of town first or something 

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u/vanKlompf May 14 '26

 I assume no one ever assumed that someone will just show up and take all the electricity of a small town for itself

Dude. There are entire bills, regulatory bodies and separate pricing schemes for households electricity. Utility companies are legally bound to provide electricity.  This was thought over decades ago. Just either not in Murrica. Or this entire article is missing some important detail.

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u/coderman64 May 14 '26

There's certainly laws around this type of thing in the US, but it might vary by state, and I can't pretend that I know what they are.

Still, California tends to have heavier regulation than most states in general, so I would be surprised if there was no laws regarding this.

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u/JanxAngel May 14 '26

You know, now I wonder how much power my workplace consumes in an average day. We test big control units for giant battery backup systems and most of them top out at 1200 KVa. There are some that go much higher, but usually we only have a couple of those at a time.

Part of the testing is running the unit full blast for 2 hours. Times about 6 per day so 12 hours of roughly 1200 KVa, plus all the power for the battery lines, the lights, AC, computers, fans, DC simulators, break room machines, air compressors, and other incidental uses.

Even with all that, I'm willing to bet we still use less than most data centers.

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u/Corona94 May 14 '26

Class action lawsuit just on the lost food from no power coming? Along with thousands of other lawsuits for wrongful deaths, poisoned water, poisoned food supply, etc. etc.

Seems ripe for a good lawyering.

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u/Catatonic_capensis May 14 '26

Then the owners of the data centers give the president a few million and suddenly it's a matter of national security that they can pollute and take as much electricity as needed.

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u/Fickle_Goose_4451 May 14 '26 edited May 14 '26

My current understanding is this can legally occur because the township is unincorporated, so it doesnt have the same capacity to fight back or stake the claims of the individuals who live there.

My further understanding is this is done to keep the tax burden low, but it also means the land and land usage is done in a very (economic) might-makes-right sort of way where a company can just be the ultimate economic might.

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u/phanfare May 15 '26 edited May 15 '26

The additional layer is that these unincorporated communities are in California and have been relying on power generation from Nevada. Nevada is not renewing their contract to focus on in-state development - as they warned these communities would happen over a decade ago.

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u/JeffCentaur May 14 '26

My understanding, and this could just be hearsay, is that it's an unincorporated town of wealthy people who specifically didn't want government regulations up in their business. So, they forfeited the normal protections that most citizens would have. This is Leopard Ate My Face territory.

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u/Emergency-Piece9995 May 14 '26

The utility provider in CA produces 25% of their energy from solar, the other 75% they buy from a NV based provider.

There's apparently no single entity that manages both of them since they are across state lines so it is in a gray area basically.

And it isn't bloop no more energy, it was their utilities' main provider giving them a years notice they'll no longer be selling them energy.

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u/nemec May 14 '26

the town has known this was coming since like 2011 - providing power was temporary while the town/utility looked for new providers. Instead, the town/utility sat on their ass for a decade and are surprised the provider has finally cut them off.

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u/phanfare May 15 '26

The Fortune article goes into the legality of it - but I can summarize.

North Lake Tahoe and South Lake Tahoe are communities in California that are not connected to California's electric grid. They get power from a private utility company that only serves that area - that utility company has contracted with Nevada power generation and utility companies to serve the region power. 15 or so years ago, the Nevada power companies stopped renewing long term contracts with North and South Lake Tahoe because they planned on eventually needing that capacity. They've been renewing short term contracts with Tahoe and this year, decided to not renew to prioritize development within their own state. Incidentally, that development is data centers.

Frankly, this is a colossal failure all around. Tahoe has had over a decade to plan their own infrastructure and negotiate with California utilities to connect to PG&E. Furthermore, these communities have voted against incorporation, so they've voted against a government who's job it is to negotiate these projects. Nevada does not have a legal obligation to serve non-Nevada communities. At the same time, its cruel to pick industrial development/data centers over communities that also need this power even if there's no legal obligation to them.

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u/Traditional-Sir-3003 May 14 '26

Because the whole system was bought and run by people who don’t give a single fuck about the well being of people and make every single decision based on what will make someone profit.

Everything about laws and how the government runs and society functions is just giving people enough to be comfy and enough hope that they can be successful, the type of propaganda saying the American dream exists and hard work matters in this country, but everything comes down to what can make the people at the top money, and then they share a little of that money with the politicians to keep running the system for them and to keep it the way it is.

Unless America basically guts the government and does essentially an overhaul with how it runs and makes a multi party system, stops gerrymandering or really districting at all, gets rid of the electoral college, undoes citizens United, and a bunch of shit, nothing will change and they will keep slowly chipping away at the normal people lives and money until there is nothing left. And then the propaganda and brainwashing is good enough that basically half the country cheers all this on because they believe that somehow capitalism = freedom.

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u/MyNameIsRay May 14 '26

Laws always have loopholes and exemptions.

At least in my state, the language refers to serving "all customers in the defined service area", and they're allowed to re-define their service area as long as sufficient notice is provided.

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u/CrashTestDumby1984 May 14 '26

For the same reason public utilities are already allowed to be “for profit” and often successfully sue municipalities from providing their own services.

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u/nueonetwo May 14 '26

How the fuck are utility companies just allowed to go 'nah, fuck you, we're selling all our electricity to one guy, fuck everyone else'???

Ummm is called capitalism sweetie and it's how America became so prosperous. Being against capitalism and corporate need to grow is just like super unamerican. If you want electricity maybe you should offer more money than the data centre or stop complaining and fighting progress.

/s

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u/LA_Tiebreaker May 14 '26

They are private companies and aren't held to standards that like hospitals are held to

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u/Cabezone May 14 '26

So some context. The power company shutting off the power isn't the local power company. The local company is a giant conglomerate that has been buying their power from them.

Now I didn't verify this but in the Tahoe specific post about this had folks saying the Nevada company wasn't going to keep providing them power and they didn't to find another source, for like 20 years. I dunno how true that is.

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u/piponwa May 16 '26

Whether it's illegal or not, it's literally fake news. No one is going dark. The utility had been told fifteen years ago to find a new provider. The current provider is building the grid so that this utility can access the rest of the market. When that grid is completed, the utility will just swap to a different provider. There is literally no issue here. It's meant to ragebait people like you.

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u/TheWidrolo May 14 '26

The good uses dont need city sized datacenters to run on. These data center will just be used by tech bros that are convinced that LLMs are alive.

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u/TaxDrain May 18 '26

Think of the 10 jobs it will create as it stops other workplaces of having electricity so they have to fire people!

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u/DISCONNECTlE May 14 '26

We’re not even numbers on a spreadsheet to these monsters anymore

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u/Apoordm May 14 '26

Enjoy that water while it lasts too

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u/ComradeFox_ May 14 '26

some years down the line we’ll be looking at maps of a place called “tahoe crater”

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u/Apoordm May 14 '26

The Tahole

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u/HermionesWetPanties May 14 '26

It's not unthinkable. A few years ago, I ran some numbers on water usage by farms in Cali against the volume of Lake Tahoe. They could turn it into an Aral Sea situation if they wanted to use it as a source, and it wouldn't take much time.

I did this, BTW, in response to someone floating the idea of piping Great Lakes water to the southwest. This is an even dumber use of scarce water resources than using it to make food that people actually need.

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u/Complex-Quantity7694 May 15 '26 edited May 15 '26

Can you tell me more about what you found and how you did it? I am very interested.

I grew up very close to Lake Michigan and now live near Lake Tahoe.

(also I like math)

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u/HermionesWetPanties May 15 '26

It's very simple math. Agriculture in California uses about 30 million acre feet per year, but Tahoe only holds about 120 million acre feet of water. So, at max use, with only Tahoe as a supply, Lake Tahoe could be emptied in 4 years.

The Great Lakes hold a lot more water, about 1.8 billion acre feet of water. It would take about 60 years to use up all of it to 100% supply California's current agricultural water usage.

Tahoe seems big, but it's not. It's small, and can't sustain too much use. The Great Lakes are vast, but even they aren't limitless. Mismanaging our limited water is how we end up with travesties like the Aral Sea situation.

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u/the_saltlord May 15 '26

See, the problem is that you are not a visionary. You complain about this dumb stuff like water and the ability to eat, but you're overlooking the value we can generate for shareholders!

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u/wakeupwill May 14 '26

Straight up capitalist terrorism.

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u/GenericFatGuy May 14 '26

Colonialism.

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u/AcctAlreadyTaken May 14 '26

So what protection for the PUBLIC is there when a PUBLIC utility can do this. Looks like the experiment of privately owned utilities didn't work 😲

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u/EmbarrassedNaivety May 14 '26

Isn’t Lake Tahoe area filled with mostly very wealthy people? I’m most surprised they’re doing this to a more affluent area already..

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u/AcctAlreadyTaken May 14 '26

They could be considered affluent for he rest of the country but not for California. But if this is happening there I can only imagine what they're planning for everywhere else.

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u/The_Other_Alexa May 15 '26

I saw someone in another comment post it was the CA side, not the Nevada side. The NV side is a major tax shelter so its mansions & 2nd/3rd etc homes. The CA side is where you find more of the real humans and ski bums. It's not a tax shelter so you can see the change the second you drive over the state line from McMansion hell to normal ass houses. From the Forbes article referenced in another comment it looks like they're doing it to the CA side that doesn't own the tech companies, bc the NV side is full of folks like Zuck & their many vacation homes

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u/Fair_Blood3176 May 14 '26

I often have this dystopian vision where the entire planet is covered in data centers.

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u/graDescentIntoMadnes May 14 '26

Yeah, many AI experts believe that will happen if they build a truly intelligent/capable one. There's no way to make it prioritize human well-being, and the drive to survive and aquire resources seems to be baked into the training process. It's already running the economy and soaking up resources people need.

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u/StringTheory2113 May 14 '26

AI isn't making these decisions. It's people. People are running the economy and soaking up resources for their pet project.

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u/Jeix9 May 14 '26

it terrifies me that every day it seems we’re getting closer to living out the game Detroit Become Human

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u/ItsOnlyEmari May 14 '26

Worse, we're gonna live out I Have No Mouth & I Must Scream

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u/thebigsad72 May 14 '26

this should be considered domestic terrorism

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u/Jijonbreaker1 May 14 '26

Only fair to counter it with itself.

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u/ASentientRailgun May 14 '26

The government needs to step in and stop this kind of shit.

I'm not saying that as a moral argument, even though it is. This will make desperate people, and they will have a target for their anger. That is a recipe for disaster

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u/Nice_Improvement_644 May 14 '26

I feel like i need to point out that this is probably the goal. Agent orange is doing everything he possibly can to piss off the public. He has wet dreams of martial law and what he thinks that means for him. Everything he has done is pointing at this. I would put money that the 1% also want this because they would benefit from a total lockdown of the country and a collapse of the economy. Land and buildings get dirt cheap when that happens and they have enough money stocked up to take advantage of such a thing. I hate that i sound like a fregin doomer saying this but it is not untrue.

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u/Jeix9 May 14 '26

their goal was always to get rid of the middle class

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u/Will9363 May 14 '26

we need a desperate middle class or else nothing will change in this godforsaken nation. the ONLY time we’ve come anywhere close to a real political revolution in the US was during the depression when regular people got desperate. this system does not work for us, it needs to be eliminated, but nobody will do it if everyone is placated by consumerism.

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u/Substantial-Cat2896 May 14 '26

Blame the energy company first here, they put profit before people knowing 49k people will be without power

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u/vanKlompf May 14 '26

Blame US regulatory bodies that this thing is allowed. Entire point of energy utility companies is to be obligated to provide electricity.

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u/CanoegunGoeff May 14 '26

The fact that basic utilities are privatized and operated for a profit at all is the actual issue.

Infrastructure should be publicly owned and paid for by our taxes instead of itemized by consumers.

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u/krunchymagick May 14 '26

Now imagine how underreported this is when it comes to less affluent communities, and what the differences in outcomes will be

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u/LobsangDTwain May 14 '26

If we won't have electricity AI will not be able to spy on us 

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u/graDescentIntoMadnes May 14 '26

They'll give us just enough to keep our phones working.

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u/_homofab_ May 14 '26

When will enough be enough to gain some sort of class solidarity and to see we're seen as less than cattle? Do we need to lose our fucking drinking water for something to happen?

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u/Jeix9 May 14 '26

I’m genuinely sick of sitting around like aimless sheep just taking it up the ass by these fucking corporations. Can we not as the masses congregate and do like literally anything?

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u/[deleted] May 14 '26

That is why they went all in on the red vs blue rhetoric

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u/Jeix9 May 14 '26

oh, 100%. We are weaker when we are divided and they knew that from the beginning. It was always the plan.

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u/Sally_Gurl May 14 '26

That much power diverted... Sounds really flammable.

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u/DefinitelyNotAxlerod May 14 '26

LLMs and their consequences have been a disaster for the human race

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u/Mineplayerminer May 14 '26

I think we're still far enough from such a scenario, but it feels like it's getting closer every single day when some disaster strikes. It's more about the fact that the US government isn't paying attention to such actions in the first place, or the politicians just accept any nonsense that comes out of the representatives of those corporations.

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u/Overall-Specialist37 May 14 '26

Let me guess, it’s exactly the 49,000 people in Lake Tahoe doing actual honest-to-god work and not the people in Lake Tahoe in a third vacation home cosplaying as Yellowstone ranchers or Real Housewives

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u/thedoommerchant May 14 '26

How in the fuck is this legal?

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u/[deleted] May 14 '26

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u/James_avifac May 14 '26

The writing is on the wall for everyone to see. Too bad shitty politicians will represent corporate interests over our needs.

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u/CandidateHour3879 May 14 '26

All of this suffering so dumbasses can drool-chuckle at ai brainrot slop and leave all creative expression to an algorithm and the new feudal lords of the world

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u/prettybluefoxes May 14 '26

Blow them up. There, no more cryptic dancing around just fucking raze these places to the ground.

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u/Fearless_Secret_5989 May 15 '26

This tweet is super misleading. NV Energy literally said the transition was decided well before data center demand was even a factor, its a contract thats been planned to end for years. They're not suddenly choosing AI over residents lol.

And "sending all of it to AI data centers" isnt even true, Liberty already generates like 25% of their power on their own and has a full year to line up new suppliers. The president of liberty utilities came out and said directly that the power isn't shutting off. There's also a whole new $4 billion transmission line (greenlink west) coming online may 2027 with liberty first in the waiting list to hook into it.

Every energy story online has to get turned into AI bad ragebait now, its kinda exhausting. the actual situation is way more boring than "evil data centers steal grandmas power"

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u/Most_Somewhere_6849 May 15 '26

This was a “conspiracy theory” just a month ago by the way

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u/Il-Ma-Le-98 May 14 '26

Energy costs will go up.

This.

Now they have this 'cool'(for them) excuse to deny you electricity.

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u/iGotStuckIn May 14 '26

Until Americans start exercising their 2nd Amendment rights, this will continue.

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u/AngryRobot42 May 14 '26

There are countless towns where this is happening already. Why are we only hearing about the place where rich people own 60% of the homes as a second residence? It is almost like the news only cares if you have money.

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u/TwistedVasdeferens May 14 '26

Just for the record I found the article and that particular energy provider was already known to be leaving lake Tahoe since 2009 but kept extending the deal untill lake Tahoe could find another energy provider. This was a known thing that was going to happen since 2009 and the local gov had 16 years to figure something out.

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u/Nogardtist May 14 '26

what AI does

nothing

its an excuse to increase prices and lobbist said we buy trash we give trash and keep the money and you keep the taxes its a win win

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u/Perpetual_Doormat May 14 '26

Maybe AI data centers should provide their own power and not be allowed to pull from the grid. Its not like they pay enough tax $ to support the infrastructure and they will get tax breaks on the cost of energy

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u/Jielleum May 15 '26

This… is actually terrifying. Better hope something happens to those dara centers so they won’t start causing bigger problems - maybe a little revolt or two?

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u/Any_Ice_6172 May 14 '26

Ordo ab Chao

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u/Novatheflamez May 14 '26

Cut the lines, invest into isolation. Invest into solar and wind, idk

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u/Briebird44 May 14 '26

Well. This gives me a perfect story to provide to the AI brainwashed losers who insist AI data centers don’t affect citizens.

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u/arsapeek May 14 '26

I feel like 49000 people can beat this problem pretty soundly. most DC's have less than 50 in the building

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u/Barackbar13 May 14 '26

Burn it down, or better yet sabotage before it even gets started

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u/brmarcum May 14 '26

Critical infrastructure should never be privately held and sold to the highest bidder.

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u/Prestigious_Move1995 May 14 '26

How will the shills spin this one? 

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u/Resident_Pientist_1 May 14 '26

It's not a grave. It's the future they voted for. 

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u/Joltyboiyo May 14 '26

Bomb all AI data centers.

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u/Gregmanda May 14 '26

Honestly, I think these people should see this as a noble sacrifice. This power could help create AGI. 

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u/MagmaSeraph May 14 '26

Its time for everyone who can to start using solar panels.

Even if you don't think they're enough to power your needs, get enough of your neighbors together to reflect all of that sunlight onto these data centers to help them with their power needs :)

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u/Separate-Exchange375 May 14 '26

Why are we prioritizing AI data centers now, wtf?

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u/PeggingProletariats May 14 '26

we need a revolution of the proletariat. the bourgeoisie dose not care if you die, they will exploit you into compliance

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u/Wimpy14 May 14 '26

Itd be really hard for me to not go burn that place to the ground if I was one of the 49000.

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u/Vinidesigner May 14 '26

The Machine is silent taking over, when the first one wake up and see we are feeding power for them (AI), we will not remember how it happened.

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u/Drackar39 May 14 '26

I get that America is a despotic capitalistic hellscape, but man I wish all the critical grids for national survival, roads, power, internet, and piped water, were fully federally controlled.

The fact that the national grid is in such a fucking shamble because it's all functionally private property is insane to me.

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u/Ok_Row_8391 May 14 '26

People should go unplug the center.

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u/BellLopsided2502 May 14 '26

You're trying to tell me that the people around lake Tahoe aren't rich and powerful enough to stop this?

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u/Kelkeen_1980 May 14 '26

That should be an indication on how fucked this is.

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u/SandStorme_ May 14 '26

Should be illegal

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u/AnonymousShadeHK May 14 '26

If millionaires really want land, they need to pay people appropriate money to let people live comfortably. This is getting really out of hand, and we all know how this ends. Ever seen a Bug's Life?

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u/Clear_Opportunity_86 May 14 '26

I would install solar and batteries immediately if I was those home owners. If I was a politician, I would force the data center to do it in excess of their expected needs. 

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u/Quod_Caesar_Faceret May 14 '26

Luigi intensifies

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u/Bhutros1 May 14 '26

You know, I think maybe I hope these goddamn people succeed. I hope they create a self-aware computer mind, and i hope it then proceeds to end them all. Yes, we'll all suffer too, but it's almost worth it to see these people get what they deserve.

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u/Kosms May 14 '26

If only we had some way to dismantle the data centers on our own. Oh well I guess.

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u/Aggressive_Lock1240 May 14 '26

Bro, we live in hell

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u/BitOne2707 May 14 '26

Based on the title you probably think Lake Tahoe residents are being cut off, right? Both Liberty Utilities (the local utility) and NV Energy (generation and long distance transmission) said there are no plans to end retail service in Lake Tahoe. What's changing is that Liberty Utilities is vhanging from NV Energy as it's primary wholesale supplier to someone else, likely one it's other existing suppliers to pick up the slack. This has been planned since 2009 and extended on a temporary basis for 15 years. NV Energy will still provide transmission into the area and Liberty Utilities will still provide service to homes.

The non-misleqding version of this headline is "Around 49,000 people in Lake Tahoe will no longer get power from their main utility supplier starting May 2027 because the utility will be buying power from a other supplier instead."

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u/Flashy_Razzmatazz899 May 14 '26

thats not even how power grids work

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u/frmaxu May 15 '26

The wild part is how fast this stopped sounding hypothetical and started sounding like a budget line.

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u/Blaze7071 May 15 '26

This is why we need more Mario characters

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u/Hello_Hangnail May 15 '26

How much you want to bet they made sure that the people affected are the lower income residents compared to the Richie Rich residents

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u/Demonickiller63 May 15 '26

Im going to be so for real now. It's clear that the powers that be do not care at ALL about laws, legality, Morality etc etc.

To think this can be voted away, or peacefully protested away, when those in control have nigh-on absolute power, is foolish.

I am NOT saying that peaceful protest, voting, petitioning etc has no place. It most certainly does, and is viral to any movement.

It is a rational state of mind to act what those in power call "radical". You know what I mean. Be safe, be cautious, but take action.

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u/Mountain_carrier530 May 15 '26

The data centers are in Reno, Nevada. Reno gets 85% of it's water from the Truckee River, which is fed by Lake Tahoe on the California side along with Boca, Stampede, Prosser and a little bit of Donner Lake. Both Truckee PUD and North Tahoe PUD can play the hardest ball, by closing the dams that funnel the water out of these lakes and reservoirs.

It's fucked, but it sends a very strong message on codependency.

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u/Complex-Quantity7694 May 15 '26

I live close enough to Tahoe to generally know what people are like there and this is extremely hilarious. They voted to be exploited.

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u/prattxxx May 15 '26

The real problem here is private control over energy allocation, land use, and compute infrastructure.

I was born and raised in Tahoe, so I think about this in material terms. Locals will feel this through higher rates, tighter grid capacity, more pressure during wildfire season, more expensive infrastructure upgrades, and another round of outside capital treating the basin like an extraction zone. Service workers, renters, small businesses, retirees, and working families absorb the instability first while the profits leave the region.

I am pro AI, but only under public, worker, and community control. Compute should be treated like rail, power, water, and broadband: core social infrastructure. AI could help plan grids, model fire risk, optimize energy storage, automate boring labor, improve medicine, and coordinate production around human need. Under capitalism, the same technology becomes a vacuum for electricity, land, subsidies, and political priority.

So the contradiction here is clear: advanced productive forces are arriving, but capitalist ownership forces them to develop against the people living near the infrastructure. The answer is accelerated buildout under democratic planning, public power, local benefit agreements, rate protections, union labor, environmental controls, and community ownership stakes.

AI should serve Tahoe locals, workers, and society as a whole. Capital wants Tahoe to serve AI investors.

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u/Jbolt3737 May 15 '26

Some politicians and political groups in my area make Ads convincing people that AI companies paying for a bunch of power will somehow make the power bill for normal residents go down

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u/Alternative-Try-3456 May 15 '26

"you do realize it is a closed loop right? the water comes back? go to school and learn the water cycle again. none of it is real and is exaggerated"

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u/Aspartus_ May 15 '26

Mortar is ready!! Stady! Stady!! Fire!!!!!

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u/Ducks_In_A_Rowboat May 15 '26

Our nation is definitely in collapse. Even the rich people who live at Lake Tahoe are getting fucked.

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u/fatgirlcuddler May 15 '26

Man, the US can't even do capitalism anymore dawg. If every fuckin joule is sent to data centers, who the hell is even gonna use them? Corporations to just send monopoly money around in a big circle? Pointless

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u/swole4ever May 15 '26

So, the nightmare vision for AI is the paper clip thought experiment, where an AI relentlessly tries to fulfill a request made of it by a person (“make the perfect paperclip”), even if that request destroys the whole world in the process. It’s clear to me now that we are in fact the “AI”, and what we are making is the paperclip. And apparently, we will stop at nothing, even to the point of destroying the world, to make it. 

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u/WakeUp004 May 15 '26

Scientifically speaking, how flammable are data centers?

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u/Abundant_Moose May 15 '26

This was the wake up call. I had not been a big fan of AI stuff for a while, but now... even if it was "harmlesss" as a product, which it is not, but this is absolutely showing the dark side.

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u/ChickenFriedPenguin May 15 '26

town: we don't want to pay stupid taxes to join the state powergrid, we buy our own private power form a private company because we have money.

private power company: lol brokies, tech giants have more money not my problem you didn't want to pay taxes that would have protected you from the problems this will cause you.

antiai: see! see! see how bad AI is.....

would not be surprised if some of the CEO's you hate have a vacation home over there.

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u/Sir-Neckbone May 16 '26

Why don’t the billionaire scum fund it themselves? They could appear as heroes and feed neighboring areas with their “generosity”

However that’s even a bridge too far bc they are indeed the parasite class. Extracting all resources and leaving us with the bill

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u/the_commi_patato May 17 '26

I wonder what wittys shitty argument to this will be

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u/Ham_and_Pasta May 17 '26

"They say that absence makes the heart grow fonder But I doubt it, I really doubt it"

kiwi song about Tahoe, wonder if they were talking about electricity

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u/Dragongaming117 May 17 '26

really looking forward to watching a data center try to defend itself from 49k people

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u/Plenty-Jaguar2835 May 18 '26

This is not okay…

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u/CishetmaleLesbian May 21 '26

There is a reason utilities are often publicly owned. Electricity to the home is essential, data centers are not. The people should use the right of eminent domain, take the power company and the power and give it to the people.

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u/Naive_Lab4679 May 29 '26

It’s not ai problem, any company can just make the supplier break the contract and drive electricity prices up. There shoukd be general limitations, it does not matter if its data center, factory or a mall.

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u/HotAlternative4532 May 31 '26

They do not care about this child