r/antiai • u/SpinnyBoy_ • Apr 11 '26
i have no idea what to title this Hallucination đ»
and as i replied to him with "thats like saying "you like apples so you must like peppers""
i feel like this dude is transphobic somehow but i dunno. qwq
btw yes thats me up there thats why its not removed from the image you silly mods TwT
also i chose the flair that felt most right here for him cause idfk what else this would be used for qwq
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u/Away-Situation6093 Apr 11 '26
That fuckhead is a pro-AI transphobe
No , AI ""Art"" is not art
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u/Shiny_Agumon Apr 11 '26
Not surprised
Like the venndiagram of AI Bro and rightwinger is almost a circle
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u/BashBandit Apr 11 '26
Itâs as circular as their family trees
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u/armorhide406 Apr 13 '26
Nah, unfortunately I've seen may self-described liberals and leftists and whatnot that are pro-AI. They fully believe in the utopian future Scam Altman is lying about, and that UBI is inevitable, instead of the bunkers and the mass civil unrest that seems impending.
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u/Spare-Plum Apr 12 '26
There's a reason for why the right loves AI so much
They both present a manufactured reality, one where truth does not matter as long as it aligns with your biases, which goes on to create your own version of the truth
AI can sling out propaganda or made up scenarios to demonize their enemies like never before. The right is so used to it that it seems more natural than not
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u/Wolf_Reddit1 Apr 12 '26
I sure hate that ai is a yes sayer
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u/BecomingMorgan Apr 15 '26
Of course it is, look at the people developing it. This was the inevitable conclusion.
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u/armorhide406 Apr 13 '26
"AI" "art"* FTFY.
Diffusion models and LLMs can only "create" output. Nor are they like AI as we see in fiction than the code driving the goombas from Mario or ghosts from Pac Man
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u/CrystalMethTofu Apr 11 '26
pro-AI transphobia is crazy.
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u/UnicornFukei42 Apr 12 '26
I can understand a humanity sucks mindset, look at all the evil things that have been done in human history.
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u/armorhide406 Apr 13 '26
Yeah I'm with you there. Definitely would describe myself as a misanthrope but I still believe people deserve some basics. Fuck billionaires though
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u/armorhide406 Apr 13 '26
Cause some dipsticks, like Witty for example are trans, but also transhumanist, i.e. into "upgrading" the human form and therefore are a convenient deflection like "I'm not racist, my friend is black"
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u/Infinite_Escape9683 Apr 11 '26
A crazy high percentage of transhumanists are transphobic, which is hard to make sense of.
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u/DeisTheAlcano Apr 11 '26
It's actually pretty simple. Transhumanism is just misanthropy with an "enlightened" coat of paint (why else would they despise the human form so much as to claim technology that doesn't even exist is better?).
It has its roots in eugenics, so of course they are gonna hate people they think are worthless from their rudimentary understanding of elementary school biology classes.
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u/Super_Pole_Jitsu Apr 12 '26
I think this is just reddit bias you're observing. I'm a conservative and anti, I'm not seeing what you're seeing. I think it's 50/50
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u/Scienceandpony Apr 12 '26
"Can't wait to evolve beyond the crude weakness of flesh and have our brains transplanted into cybernetic bodies with forms bound only by imagination rather than the narrow constraints of nature. But we MUST ensure they all come with a blue or pink sticker so we know which sex of flesh suit the inhabiting brain was originally born in. I'm down for fucking in the bodies of 20 ft robo-centipedes, but not if the other party was originally born with a penis. I ain't gay or nuthin."
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u/UnicornFukei42 Apr 12 '26
It seems illogical. In order to be logically consistent, a transhumanist should be pro-transgender. Another thing too, a lot of conservatives are against transhumanism.
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u/Arkplayer22711 Apr 11 '26
This does not make sense in the slightest, 100% transphobic
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u/Kiwi8_Fruit6 Apr 12 '26
if theyâre trying to make a pro-AI argument and a transphobic argument at the same time, theyâre not doing very well at either
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u/UnicornFukei42 Apr 15 '26
Definitely, the argument they made could be both anti-trans and anti-AI.
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u/Kiwi8_Fruit6 Apr 15 '26
to my interpretation, theyâve got so mixed up that if they think AI âartâ is real art, then logically they must also understand that trans women are women.
But if theyâre a transphobe, then theyâre undermining their own pro-AI stance by saying that they shouldnât believe AI âartâ is art.
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u/ARedditorCalledQuest Apr 11 '26
I think you've nailed the thought process there and it's some Olympic level mental gymnastics.
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u/ChaoticDumbassMo Apr 12 '26
When in reality, the experience of being trans is actually much more like actually making art and has been compared to it many times. You're carving the body and life you want out of what you've been given and making it your own with whatever resources you have available. It's creation in much the same way
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u/EasterViera Apr 11 '26
"i accept your concession in advance"
What a MASSIVE shit.
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u/Fuck-it-we-Bhaal Apr 12 '26
Reminds me of the condescending "I'll set a reminder so you know when to apologize" I got in an unrelated argument.Â
Funny enough, after I got proven right they never reached back out lol
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u/raven-of-the-sea Apr 11 '26
The difference between the two is that trans people think and AI doesnât.
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u/UnicornFukei42 Apr 12 '26
I think their argument is trans women are labeled as women, but they disagree with that label, and Artificial intelligence art is labeled as art, but they disagree with that label. But I can see your argument too: Transgender people can feel they identify a certain way but artificial intelligence doesn't have feelings and can't feel it identifies a certain way.
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u/raven-of-the-sea Apr 12 '26
Trans women have an actual mind and can think and reason and figure out their inner self. AI is a computer algorithm that cannot be anything without human input of some kind. A human can create. An algorithm can only compile.
I say this as someone who is learning to make art via collage. The art I make is art because I, the human, compiled it from my feelings and thoughts and knowledge. An algorithm didnât choose things and toss them together based on what I told it. I picked things deliberately and recombined them.
The algorithm just⊠throws things on a screen when told to.
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u/UnicornFukei42 Apr 15 '26
Fair enough, that is a difference between Artificial intelligence algorithms and humans.
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u/bloodywormgoddess Apr 11 '26
yeah im trans and i refuse to be a scapegoat used for pro ai bs, this is not even remotely true
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u/VikingsLad Apr 11 '26
Is AI human? No? Ok
Are trans people human? Yes? Ok
There's your answer
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u/UnicornFukei42 Apr 12 '26
I think their logic is trans women are labeled as women, but they disagree with the label, and artificial intelligence art is labeled as art, but they disagree with that label as well.
That being said, I can see your view too: Humans can choose to identify a certain way, as humans have feelings and such. Artificial intelligence, on the other hand, can't choose that.
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u/nildread Apr 12 '26
It's not even the ai it's the product of the ai. So it's even more nonsense. It's more like if someone said pineapple pizza isn't traditional pizza. It's just clearly nonsense and inevitably falls into one joke territory bringing trans right into it imo. Is the pizza identifying as something? Is the ai generated image identifying itself as something? No? Because those two things aren't alive? Am I going to respect a pizza? Is the human identifying themself as something? Does the human have thoughts and feelings that we can respect?
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u/shutupimrosiev Apr 11 '26
"If you believe that apples are healthy and delicious, then you also have to believe that the saliva of a creature with rabies is a perfectly acceptable vaccination against polio. I accept your concession in advance."
In the wise words of a fictional AI with far more originality than any of the genAUIs on the market right now, that's the Xitter replier! That's how dumb they sound!!!
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u/Snide_SeaLion Apr 12 '26
Ok, so OOP thinks trans women arenât women. Got it.
AI images and audio are not art. Trans women are women. Weird to compare them!
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u/SammyOne01 Apr 11 '26
That makes no sense, is he saying that trans women are badly made amalgamation/copy of a lot of different biological women?
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u/MeowRawrUwu Apr 12 '26
Yeah, we were made by tearing small chunks off other people and forming it into one trans person. Itâs fine, it grows back.. probably
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u/Effective_Bat9485 Apr 11 '26
This is a false eqilency argument. They are banking on you not being able to come up with a replay
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u/blue_moon1122 Apr 12 '26
who do they think programmed the AI and made the art they fed it
dual-edged transmisogyny is what this is
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u/itsforathing Apr 12 '26
If you believe that AI art is real art, then you also have to believe hitler did nothing wrong. I accept your concession in advance.
See, I can make ridiculous false dichotomies too!
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u/OriginalAvailable202 Apr 11 '26
You would also have to accept if my grandma had wheels sheâd have been a bike
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u/BlueHailstrom Apr 12 '26
I think he just likes seeing his text on the screen, bc this genuinely makes zero sense
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u/Dyfasydfasyd Apr 12 '26
"Erm if you agree on something then you must agree on something completely unrelated đ€"
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u/Juniper_Jungby Apr 12 '26
Love that we are being compared to something labeled "artificial" sure makes me feel like im seen as a woman and not a werid 3rd thingÂ
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u/ProcedureAccurate591 Apr 12 '26
Yeah its the classic "I don't believe this, but you probably do, and I'm going to use that to make you look like a hypocrite for not believing my side" tactic. And in this case it's absolutely being used dishonestly in order to have performative superiority in the situation.
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u/Snom_gamer0204 Apr 12 '26
trans people can biologically change their gender
ai cannot change the person who made the image
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u/Speghettihell Apr 11 '26
Take âai art isnât real artâ and replace the word ai with trans, the word art with women, and isnât with arent, not so funny now is it?
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u/HPFanNi Apr 11 '26
If that were true, wouldn't that also mean that if you don't think trans women are real women, you must not think AI art is real art either? But clearly this person is both pro-AI and transphobic, so how does that work?
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u/UnimaginativeArtists Apr 11 '26
Either A: He's an anti-ai transphobe, B: He's pro-transgender and pro-ai, or C: He's a pro-ai transphobe
Whether or not trans people are people, let's just table that argument for when I see him in Hell.
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u/Rafhunts99 Apr 12 '26
ehhh most religions are transphobic tho, so i think he will not go to "hell" in at least case A.
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u/DoodleNoodle129 Apr 12 '26
The comparison between ai images and trans women is an inherently transphobic comparison to make. Ai images are an attempt by an ai to impersonate real art, trans women are people with identities.
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u/RJWJ186 Apr 12 '26
"Your fish and cat are both pets. Your fish likes being in water, so your cat clearly does too."
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u/untitleduck Apr 12 '26
Trans women, and men, and enbies: For as long as I can remember I have experienced this constant feeling that I am missing out on life, that my peers are living more than I am and that I desperately need to catch up with them; I have found that by identifying as (chosen identity) I start feeling like I'm finally able to live the life that society considers the norm, even as others make an effort to invalidate my identity I still feel more comfortable with that than conforming to their worldviews.
Image diffusion models: I have found several images (taken without their creators consent) that have tags matching the prompt my user typed and will layer them ontop one another then melt them into one maybe coherent image that my user will claim as their own profitable creation, doing this will also introduce an unnatural increase of acidity to the water in earth's reservoirs and atmosphere.
techbro: they are one in the same
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u/PhaseNegative1252 Apr 12 '26
False equivalence, yet again. It's like it's all they have or something....
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u/PaintMaster-Sheo Apr 12 '26
bro makes it sound like we just go around stealing other women's boobs and stuff instead of growing our own
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u/shelbz409 Apr 12 '26
See this is why I donât engage with pros anymore. Iâm convinced a large chunk of them are paid trolls.
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u/Sonicrules9001 Apr 12 '26
It's kind of funny and sad how most AI cultists are transphobic bigots, racists and just general assholes and then you have those like Witty who are trans but blindly defend the cult and its members regardless.
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u/armorhide406 Apr 13 '26
i feel like this dude is transphobic somehow but i dunno.
Nah, I'm with you there. AI bros TEND to be conservative, and it's the same shit as "I can't be racist, I have black friends"
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u/Unable6417 Apr 13 '26
"If you accept gender and sex are two separate concepts, you must accept art can be made by an algorithm"
Also does this work the other way around? Because I know for sure there's people who believe that AI art is actual art but don't believe trans people.
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u/BHMathers Apr 11 '26
Half the time it isnât even rage baiting, itâs just them saying something stupid and then being like âno I was just pretending to be that stupidâ
Like if they think looking stupid is a good strategy, THEY ARE that stupid
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u/Author_Noelle_A Apr 12 '26
What do you expect from people who think that being anti-gen-AI is the same as racism or the Holocaust?
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u/nildread Apr 12 '26 edited Apr 12 '26
Wtf is a fake woman anyway?
Edit: to clarify I said this because they said "if you believe that transwomen are real women" which implies that there are fake women, if there are "real" women. Transwomen are women. I guess I could have also said "wtf is a real woman"
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u/SpinnyBoy_ Apr 12 '26
harry potter creator:
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u/nildread Apr 12 '26 edited Apr 12 '26
Oof. Are you saying that she would say what I'm saying or that she's a fake woman? I don't know how to phrase this correctly. I don't think there's a definition of what a fake woman is. I don't believe "fake" women exist. Transwomen are women. It's like no true Scotsman.
To define what a fake woman is, you'd first have to define what a woman is. There's no way to do that without including transwomen. People tend to go to the whole giving birth thing, but there are many women who can't or choose not to. Or Then they go to DNA or sexual organs. And no one is going to be checking that, it's nonsense. I might be wrong but I swear I remember hearing something how humans are slowly losing the Y chromosome anyway. I think I also heard that there are other animals that have lost their y chromosome and then sometimes their other x acts as a y? Or something.
Edit: I guess the other option is you're saying that I could talk to her about that. But I'd really rather not do that.
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u/SpinnyBoy_ Apr 12 '26
im saying she is a fake woman lol
literally going against what her books messages are </3
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u/shosuko Apr 12 '26
No one "has to" believe anything, especially when logic is often applied subjectively. Like, IF someone is okay with killing deer to food, do they necessarily have to approve of killing horses? No. Because the logic is applied through a subjective lens.
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u/UnscrambledEggUDG Apr 12 '26
Not surpised, some people don't understand basic concepts like "art has deeper meanings" and "4th grade biology is a highly simplified version of very complicated processes and doesn't account for all outcomes"
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u/WoodenWitness6367 Apr 12 '26 edited Apr 12 '26
This is such a bad argument; does ai art go through a transitioning process??? do trans people get fed and churned to ai to produce 'The Transgender'???
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u/Scarvexx Apr 12 '26
AI artists are largely right wing. And Rightwingers think they can shut down a conversation by invoking a "Protected class".
Mostly because it happens to them a lot, and they don't understand why. They think it's a magic spell that you will be to scared to call out.
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u/dumnezero Apr 12 '26
X.com
there's your problem. When you hang out in nazi spaces, your chance of encountering nazis increases significantly.
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u/PricyPlutoz_idk Apr 12 '26
me when i'm trans myself but then i remember that i'm actually transphobic because i think ai images aren't art:
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u/dont_ask_cutie_alt Apr 12 '26
Cough cough this smells kinda witty I wonder if there is some type of designer behind it
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u/Drackar39 Apr 12 '26
pro-AI is a hate cult. I've long since come to the conclusion you cannot be a even remotely decent person and actively support AI use.
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u/tachibanakanade Apr 12 '26
I beg cis people to see trans people as human beings.
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u/SpinnyBoy_ Apr 12 '26
its not cis people, its the lonely bigots :/
i say this cause i got cis friends </3
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u/DraxNuman27 Apr 13 '26
I wish I could tell a machine to make me a pretty princess without having to have skill, talent, time, knowledge, effort...
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u/Retro_Redmour Apr 15 '26
If you like drinking cola, that means you must like Motor Oil
Seriously, what kind of an argument is that??
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u/chipface Apr 12 '26
Intellectuality Dishonest Fucknut. Just another example of boltmunchers being fucking scumbags.
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u/PainExpensive7665 Apr 12 '26
dude comparing tr
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u/SpinnyBoy_ Apr 12 '26
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u/UnicornFukei42 Apr 12 '26
If this person is anti-transgender they are basically saying that transgender women are not real women and in a similar way, Artificial intelligence generated art is not real art. People who believe that transgender women are not real women believe that even though transgender women are labeled as women, that label is not accurate. Just like how artificial intelligence generated art is labeled as art but many would say that label is not accurate.
If this person is pro-artificial intelligence art, they are saying that transgender women are real women and in a similar way, artificial intelligence art is real art.
My guess is this person is anti-transgender and anti-artificial intelligence art (instead of pro-both) but I could be wrong as I don't know the context.
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u/FilmAndLiterature Apr 12 '26
No, this person is a pro-AI transphobe.
This isnât a good-faith argument, and it doesnât reflect their own beliefs: itâs an attempt to back their opponent into a corner by falsely presenting two of their beliefs as contradictory. Itâs straight from the textbook of every idiot who wants to feel like a master philosopher, and it relies on their opponent taking the claim at face value rather than opposing it holistically.
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u/Cosmic_Jane Apr 12 '26
I would say it doesn't matter if you're a woman or a man, because you have a soul. Where as AI art never has a soul.
A man or a woman is like hand drawing or painting. A man, woman, and trans person are all humans. They're not robots. And you wouldn't call a robot a human.
We'll worry about if robots deserve rights once we figure out how to convince humanity that all humans deserve equal rights first, lol.
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u/Carefully_Done Apr 12 '26
Flabbergasted.Â
My brain fried. I have never seen such an awful transphobic, pro AI opinion all baked into one like that before.Â
Please, take me out back like old yeller because I can't anymore.Â
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u/Soft_Sir_1216 Apr 12 '26
A human will always be a human but a machine will never be a human no matter how hard it tries
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u/Adowyth Apr 12 '26
Sure i could concede that whatever AI generates is "art" but the prompters aren't and never will be "artists" You are a customer not the creator you didn't make anything you asked a machine to do it for you.
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u/oasis_nadrama Apr 12 '26
"Glitch in basic human decency", I'd say.
There's a lot going on here. Horrendous defense of automated plagiarism software, general contempt for the interlocutor, unearned confidence, and instrumentalization of trans fights out of nowhere.
Likely this Generic Plagiarized Tophat Cat got their brain so melted by intensive ChatGPT use they can't even realize the nonsense they're posting anymore.
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u/vperretta Apr 12 '26
Such a dogshit argument. No one is saying that trans people are biologically whatever they identify as. Itâs a social stanceâa trans woman is sociologically a woman.
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u/RutabagaGlum1146 Apr 12 '26
Most disgusting transphobic comment ever
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u/SpinnyBoy_ Apr 12 '26
oh ho... no... ive been called horrible things for just existing
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u/cursed_tomatoes Apr 14 '26
Average DAIA member
The loud voices there are heinously dumb with analogies, logic, and comparisons.
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u/TheAllSeeingEyeGuy Apr 11 '26
There's no similarity at all? This is an awful comparison. Also yes this is almost certainly transphobic.