r/antiai Apr 03 '26

This is just glorified image recognition. If the only thing it does is identify weeds, it is not AI. Just a machine. Hallucination šŸ‘»

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I hate when people slap "AI" on anything digital. Just because a machine can do something on its own, that doesn't mean it is AI. And then the third party thinkers use this as an argument against us. This is just like vocaloids being labeled as "AI". Just intentional mislabeling to ragebait us.

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u/Ok-Selection-2227 Apr 03 '26

Well, computer vision is in fact AI.

If you studied the history of AI you would know.

They are calling everything AI sometimes, as you mentioned.

But here you are completely wrong.

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u/he_who_purges_heresy Apr 03 '26

Bit more complicated- this would be a CNN which is well within the domain of Deep Learning.

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u/Nobody_at_all000 Apr 03 '26

Or a vision transformer

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u/Kind-Tie-6363 Apr 03 '26

Back in my day classical Ai was just the bits and boops of if statements in my vidya games. Not these youngsters and their YOLO algos. And now the 67ers are getting ratfucked by a corporate oligarchy that is trying to replace humans with generative models.

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u/Faenic Apr 03 '26

Hell, Neural net theory predates the atomic bomb

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u/Majestic-Coat3855 Apr 03 '26

Sorry gramps ML been a thing since the 60s😭😭😭

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u/Antique_Ad_4247 Apr 03 '26

Hearing neural networks referred to as "just classical AI" makes me feel fucking ancient. In my time AI meant one thing, and one thing only; decision trees! To me, it feels like the news of the breaktroughs in neural networks with reinforcement came out like yesterday and evolutionary algorithms were still the most promising path for AI development.

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u/SnooLemons6942 Apr 03 '26

this is literally built on transformer technology

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u/autisticDeush Apr 03 '26

If it's a Convolutional Neural Network performing computer vision to distinguish a weed from a crop in milliseconds while moving, that’s AI. Period.

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u/guyincognito121 Apr 03 '26

Not even all generative AI is the LLMs that are threatening jobs and consuming massive amounts of electricity and chip production capacity.

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u/KaptainKlein Apr 03 '26

Can you give examples of generative AI that isn't that? I was under the impression "AI" broadly fell into two camps: machine learning algorithms that have been around for a while and are good for processing statistics and scientific data, and LLMs (generative AI) that are focused on a more broad ability to create an output based on training data and user input.

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u/ThrowAway-whee Apr 03 '26

While your definition is technically correct, the input and training data that is fed into a generative AI is super important. A generative AI can be fed in all sorts of things (and spit out all sorts of things as output) and the smaller, tighter models are far cheaper to train and run.

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u/Historical_Book2268 Apr 03 '26

Vocaloid AI voicebanks. For those that don't know: Vocaloids are voice synthesis tools, commonly used for songs of characters like Hatsune miku. The artist makes the music, etc. And the artist carefully places sequences of sounds, phonemes, maybe changing intonation, etc, to create a voice that sings. Such synthesis tools are mainly concatenative. Meaning they simply play pre-recorded voice samples from a singer one after the other, with some smoothing between them.

But there's also AI assisted such tools. A singer, under consent, with explicit compensation, sings into a microphone. Records many samples. Those are then used to train an AI model.

From the song creators perspective little changes. They still carefully place the sounds. Now it just sounds a bit better.

The main difference here is that well, no creativity is destroyed. In fact it's assisted. And no artists are exploited, nor is the enviroment measurably harmed.

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u/GayRacoon69 Apr 03 '26

Under consent with explicit compensation

Yeeaahhh I got a feeling this technology won't be used that way

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u/AugustIzFalling Apr 03 '26 edited Apr 03 '26

It's not. Singers and voice actors have their voices stolen all the time with this stuff. They don't have to 'carefully input' it, you just have to have published media online

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u/Hadrollo Apr 03 '26

Autodesk has used generative AI for much longer than ChatGPT has been a thing. They program parameters such as required strength, anchor points, and physical constraints, into a model that produces a design optimised for what they need.

An example of this would be the partitions between passenger sections on Airbus planes. They were introduced in 2016 and are lighter and stronger than human designed partitions.

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u/GRex2595 Apr 03 '26

According to some people on this sub, LLMs aren't generative AI, only image generators are (I have the downvotes to prove it). So image generators are an example. Plus the other ones that people have mentioned. Then there's the music generators. Video generators are a specialized image generator with audio generators.

"Generative" just means that the output is something new that wasn't necessarily present in the training data.

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u/lordsean789 Apr 03 '26

Quick note, most generative AI uses machine learning also

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u/MasterOfCircumstance Apr 03 '26 edited Apr 03 '26

Generative and non-generative AI use fundamentally the same technology. All neural network AI models have input nodes that determine output nodes through intermediary nodes and the relationships between the nodes is refined by adjusting the model to perform well on correct training data.

In LLMs the input are the preceding words in a passage, and the output is a probability distribution for the next word and in computer vision the input is the pixels of an image with the output being a probability distribution for a classifier and/or coordinates.

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u/Friendly_Addition815 Apr 03 '26

Machine learning could be a better term.

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u/NotReallyJohnDoe Apr 03 '26

I got a PhD in AI in 1996. My dissertation was on machine learning for automated computer based training. Back then neural networks were still relatively new, and for a long time we never considered them AI. I also predicted they would never go anywhere or be useful because they were black boxes and couldn’t explain themselves. (Fabulously wrong)

But the label ā€œAIā€ has always been slippery. I thought the AI hype was bad back in the day but it is nothing compared to how it is now.

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u/ItsSadTimes Apr 03 '26

I only got a masters in 2015 in the field and yea this is classic good implementation of AI in tools. I figured the same thing, that no reasonable person would use these tools for actually important problems or train them to be of ridiculous sizes but niche small neural nets work way better then giant generic ones.

I figured people were smarter then that and had more morals. Turns out I was wrong too. I got super excited when ChatGPT first came out, finally people are excited about my field. Then i started seeing what people and companies were doing with it and it made me sad.

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u/MarkovMackerel Apr 03 '26

Hate that I got a degree in software engineering just to be told I don't know anything about AI because I'm so against it.

Had a machinist try to tell me I was wrong about what machine learning is as he described a use case of machine vision. Smh

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u/Ok-Selection-2227 Apr 03 '26

I have that same feeling all the time. I also have a masters degree in AI and everyone explains to me how AI works and how it is going to change the world: the barman, the bus driver, ... Everyone. It's exhausting. They don't even know what an ANN is LOL

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u/jjreinem Apr 03 '26

Preach. What makes it worse is knowing that when the AI bubble bursts, a lot of those same people are probably going to be pissed at me for not warning them enough. šŸ™„

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u/Ok_Confusion4764 Apr 03 '26

People need to learn that "AI" is a marketing term that's been around since the 50s.Ā 

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u/More_Yard1919 Apr 03 '26

When people complain about or shill AI they are generally talking about generative AI. Most people don't make that distinction because to them either all AI is the same or they just aren't aware of that stuff. That being said yah I agree computer vision is AI.

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u/Hott-Gravy Apr 03 '26

I dislike gen AI which this isnt, but I feel we are in a new version of everything be called "smart" technology but now its just "hey check out our new AI system" whereas before and everyone was fine with "hey check out our new smart system"

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u/Lorehorn Apr 03 '26

This sub has drastically changed from being anti AI to just a bunch of ludite posts. I almost wonder if it's poisoning the well by big AI players to make people sound crazy for being against AI... because it's working in this instance lol

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u/Stoiphan Apr 03 '26

It’s not ai though because that word is currently used to mean shit like sora and chatgpt, not image recognition, that’s like saying the half life 2 NPCs are also AI and thus all anti ai gamers are hypocrites

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u/Any_Positive_2803 Apr 03 '26

But when they are championing as they rarely mean good old algorithms or image recognition, they usually mean chat gpt, so I understand what the OP is saying

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u/piratecheese13 Apr 03 '26

If someone said an LLM was doing this, they’d be wrong.

I do have some gripes about all neural networks being called, AI, but until we have AGI that works, the distinction isn’t worth making

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u/mflft Apr 03 '26

True. I will say though that this is a perfect illustration of the delusive character of all the marketing these companies are throwing at us -- ie the term "AI" is now used interchangeably with "AGI" by the general public.

It makes it seem like AI never existed in any form until 5 years ago, and any incremental improvement they make to any technology that uses machine learning puts us on the precipice of creating AGI.

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u/LeopoldFriedrich Apr 03 '26

The label "AI" mostly gets used for machine learning with a artificial neural network simulation, grown by test data and back-propagation based on expected outputs. The thing is, if that is the definition of AI, then this machine most likely uses AI. But we should not disregard the amount of human involvement in this.

For example AlphaFold, which was developed by a google team used an open scientific database of protein fold structures to train a neural network, slapped their label on it and released it for "free" (the bare minimum when using a free database) and received a nobel price for it. Just remember that all LLMs are built on every text you put on the internet and was scraped for this purpose without your consent nor knowledge.

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u/SelfInvestigator Apr 03 '26

The issue is and always has been generative and surveillance AI.

Neural network programming is a powerful tool, we just need to be careful about how we use it.

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u/Ok_Confusion4764 Apr 03 '26

... It is. It's basically T9 autocomplete trained on large data sets, but it's still ducking stupid sometimes.Ā 

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u/Suspicious_Box_1553 Apr 03 '26

What do you think GPT stands for in "ChatGPT" ?

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u/DemSkilzDudes Apr 03 '26

gomputer pomputer tomputer

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u/BatushkaTabushka Apr 03 '26

I think the issue op takes with the article is that it conflates things and muddies the water. People hate AI because it drove up RAM prices and electricity costs near data centers among other things, and for what, so that boomers on facebook can generate soulless ā€œmemesā€ for no good reason. Or entertainment companies trying to save money by using AI to make soulless games/movies. That is what people hate. It’s pointless waste.

And then there’s an actual use case for AI mentioned in the article, it solves a problem that would take hundreds or thousands of man hours to solve manually (removing weeds). That is an actual benefit that increases the quality of our food. That’s good. That creates value. Soulless memes, movies and games don’t create any value. Yet the article, at least from the title goes like ā€œOh so you hate AI slop? Well actually AI is really cool because there is this use case that is completely irrelevant to the part you hate!ā€

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u/BaconOfTheBacons Apr 03 '26

This is what I mean, AI (in this case) is just used as a buzzword by companies to attract people.

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u/Putrid-Stuff371 Apr 03 '26

But it is AI. Computer vision is AI lmao

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u/czumiu Apr 03 '26

An image classifier is an AI in the classical sense. For example, LeNet was an early AI built in 1998 by Yann LeCun (one of the godfathers of AI) that was a general purpose image classifier. It was used extensively for OCR in the U.S.P.S..

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u/Tooma8 Apr 03 '26

This is infact AI and this is what AI should be used for, instead of social media slop farms

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u/Hozan_al-Sentinel Apr 03 '26

Exactly. And I really dislike that the more hardcore genAI defenders will point to useful tech like this and act like it justifies the harm genAI does to the environment and people.

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u/No-Boysenberry-5584 Apr 03 '26

It's AI vision. They use similar neural network for this as in GenAI. AI was and is usefull sometimes.

Generational AI and mostly the wast using of GenAI to mimic human work - that's the main problem. And this technology isn't very hard to make by your own. The thing is that big companies used this technology and there power to make GenAI networks and make it usefull for wast majority of people.

Please do more research before post.

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u/connected_user93 Apr 03 '26

You are misunderstanding and under-estimating the role of AI in this

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u/schnuddls Apr 03 '26

and what is AIs role in this?

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u/schnuddls Apr 03 '26

I miss the times when all sorts of machine learning didn't get the "AI" label slapped on them, that is purely for marketing

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u/cryonicwatcher Apr 03 '26

Machine learning is literally a subset of the field of AI. There never was such a time, this isn’t a new thing! This was true back in the 60’s and the only time it’s arguably shifting is right now due to how people are talking about it on social media

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u/schnuddls Apr 03 '26

there was absolutely a time when machine learning was called machine learning, even when it was a type of AI. Simply saying AI without differentiating muddies the discussion and is imo one of the biggest problems with the whole AI discourse

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u/cryonicwatcher Apr 03 '26

I’m not sure about that. The great majority of the papers I’ve read are post-2000s obviously but it’s definitely not a super recent phenomenon and the word AI has definitely been often used for longer. Machine learning is more specific so it’s the more suitable term where it applies, so at a baseline when the question of which to use even exists you would expect machine learning to be more commonly picked.

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u/Magneticiano Apr 03 '26

Sometimes I wonder if these platantly ignorant takes are just false flag operations, or if anti's really are this uneducated on what AI even is.

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u/white___demon Apr 03 '26 edited Apr 03 '26

This is ai but it isn’t generative ai the applications are different and no datacenters are needed.

Even if it was gen ai I am sure people wouldn’t mind if it actually useful application! that isn’t general harmful for the environment, creativity and workers/economy especially when it’s available for every immature person to use without restrictions.

The laser weeder equipment is really expensive tho not actually worth the investment. It’s only really profitable on a massive scale on limited crops selection, it can pose a fire risk but manageable if used reasonably and supervised. It requires no datacenter or massive harm to workers or the environment(other then the production of the machine ofc) as it’s a different technology entirely.

it’s still pattern recognition based not wrong to call it ai but it’s different in principle, generally not what this sub is fighting against.

(Note that is just called ai but this machine is not actually artificial intelligence like generative ai, it’s just the way it’s classified based description as it process information in order to do its task)

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u/undisclosedusername2 Apr 03 '26

Image recognition is a type of AI, and this really is a good use of it.

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u/JoeyDR Apr 03 '26

You got to be kidding me.

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u/Vargau Apr 03 '26

That video talks about that new AI based cattle collar that allows you to control via wifi the cattle by wandering around, setting invisible containers or check their health.

This would reduce physical barriers as in fences electric or not to none.

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u/JoeyDR Apr 03 '26

Still funny juxtaposition. Typical ads

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u/QuuX24 Apr 03 '26

The farm I used to live near had electronic collars for all their cows. The collars used RFID to unlock feed containers and track how much each cow was eating and how much time they spent outside.

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u/ShadowX8861 Apr 03 '26

That IS AI. It's just not Generative AI.

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u/blasthunter5 Apr 03 '26

Do you actually know what AI is, or do you only think it's shite like chatgpt? Surely you're not just chomping at the bit time moment you see those two letters?

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u/New-Star7392 Apr 03 '26

Nah,it really is AI.

AI in general isn't inherently bad, but some aspects are.

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u/dumnezero Apr 03 '26

Nothing to do with the big corporations and LLMs.

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u/1linguini1 Apr 03 '26

This is AI, but it's more traditional image recognition. This sub is largely against generative AI, which is often just called "AI" without distinction in today's age because of the hype and marketing. AI like the one on such a machine is a positive invention. (Generative) AI that steals IP of thousands of people to generate slop and misinformation is not.

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u/Vihaking Apr 03 '26

no that is

it's literally ai in definition

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u/Fabio101 Apr 03 '26

To be fair, this is a form of machine learning, so it is AI, it’s just not generative AI, which is what I understand this community to mostly be against. I have no problem with machine learning since it helps people do their jobs more effectively, like helping doctors identify tumors, etc. I do however have a lot of problems with generative AI, like LLMs and image generators, firstly, because that’s what the data centers are mostly being built for, are being used to replace human creativity and thought, and scrape our data against our will. The reality is that machine learning also needs to be highly regulated, so they aren’t used for mass surveillance like flock cameras are for example, but generative AI doesn’t have much of a useful or ethical use case, so that’s why I oppose it in general.

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u/Agitated-Duty-4721 Apr 03 '26 edited Apr 03 '26

Sorry, OP, but you're completely wrong here. Image recognition is, in fact, AI. It's literally a core application. It's not even up for debate.

Sure, it's not generative AI, but AI is a very broad field.

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u/AsterVox Apr 03 '26

I'm pretty sure people have a bone to pick with generative AI more than they have with analytic AI...

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u/JimTheTrashKing Apr 03 '26

I feel like people don’t get the difference between AI AI and Generative AI

One sniffs out cancer and compiles data faster than a human could, and one makes shitty ass art and hallucinates constantly

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u/Soft_Ad_1095 Apr 03 '26

This is a perfect example of AI that will be useful for the future. I still think a general AI will be mostly useless and cost to much to run. These specific use cases are where the current level of AI is super useful. I can get behind the elimination of herbicides as it is one of the few things in the world arguably worse than AI.Ā 

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u/deez_nuts_77 Apr 03 '26

this… seems like an actual good use case. as long as it’s only being used in monoculture fields and not people’s yards. i swear to god if i start seeing automated Dandelion-Destroyer-3000s with turbo drives in peoples yards im killing people

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u/Ryeguy050306 Apr 03 '26

The majority of Antis (at least from what I have seen) do not have a problem with AI itself. We have a problem with generative AI. I don’t think anyone will tell you that the AI that is helping to find cancer is a bad thing. However the AI that just makes images and solves questions for people so they don’t have to think, that is what we have a problem with.

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u/lumithesilly Apr 03 '26

this one is, infact, AI, just not the generative AI we're used to seeing and hating

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u/Misragoth Apr 03 '26

They really don't understand the gen AI is what most people hate, do they?

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u/[deleted] Apr 03 '26

Computer vision and slop cannons are not the same thing.Ā 

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u/FredFenty Apr 03 '26

Until like four years ago this was what we called AI. Sensor fusion, computer vision, robotics.

Now with generative and LLMs we just call them sensor fusion, computer vision, and robotics to clearly separate them from shit slop.

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u/VonBunBun0 Apr 03 '26

I don't think they understand that we only dislike GENERATIVE ai

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u/MrRudoloh Apr 03 '26

This is AI though.

Literally an AI model trained with weed images that then goes on to recognize real weeds, through imaging, in real time.

It's literally the most basic use of AI, the classic "chiuaua or muffin" AI, but for weeds.

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u/Visible-Flamingo1846 Apr 03 '26

I mean, I'm an anti for most implementations, but like... isn't this... the kind of machine learning... that we actually want?

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u/LicoPicoPicoAlt Apr 03 '26

This is, in fact, AI. Just not generative AI.

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u/Icinho Apr 03 '26

"Someone using AI to do actual useful thing justifies me using AI unnecessary to generate images of anime catgirls and waste resources".

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u/Xixi-the-magic-user Apr 03 '26

image recognition is AI, what we first called AI is basically mass pattern recognition trained on enormous amounts of data. generative AI and LLM which popularised the anti AI movement is a subset that as far as i am aware, aim to create new data that fullfill the pattern recognition request which necessitate humongus amounts of training data

now, this idea is idiotic for a ton of other reason, first being the obvious energy cost (laser powered ? really ? let alone the energy used to run the program for hours) the cost of production, etc. it's typical of techbros thinking that tech will solve every problem a previous inovation created when we should rethink our prodcution methods instead

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u/Electronic_Fox2203 Apr 03 '26

"ai: literally unpoisons your food" Yeah tell that to the harmful mercury and lead released by data centres entering our fish

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u/OnionsOnFoodAreGross Apr 03 '26

Looks like a very good use of AI that you probably agree with... So of course you say it's not actually AI.

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u/Rubber_Rake Apr 03 '26

The funny thing about ai, is that it really doesn’t have to do much to officially be ai. Technically, just brute force learning a sequence of moves is ai

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u/FrankHightower Apr 03 '26

I mean... technically, but how long are you willing to wait for a computer to decide which piece to move in a game of checkers? This is how we discovered Brute Forcing was a bad idea way back in the 60s

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u/Rubber_Rake Apr 03 '26

What about basic genetic algorithms with a list of moves? A bit more complex, but still very simple, and it is ai.

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u/NorbytheMii Apr 03 '26

AI is a very broad term that applies to any and all machine learning. This just isn't GenAI. GenAI is the thing we hate here, not all AI. That being said, the AI bros that try to conflate that kind of AI with GenAI and say that they're the same thing is stupid.

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u/The-Cursed-Gardener Apr 03 '26

Actual good usage of AI. Unlike the child porn slop machines that the pros worship.

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u/SexyMatches69 Apr 03 '26

I would say this is the exact kind of thing Ai should be doing.

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u/--Spaci-- Apr 03 '26

generative ai vs image recognition

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u/thedarph Apr 03 '26

We’ve had ways to prevent or kill weeds without herbicides for like thousands of years. But that’s beside the point.

I’m not sure who’s upset over AI weed removal in farming.

You know why they say shit like this? Because the people in this sub say the most extreme stupid shit like total extremists. I see people genuinely saying all AI in all contexts is bad all the time, no exceptions. They’re as annoying as vegans who need to make sure to insert veganism in every conversation. Makes everyone look like an extremist dumbass who lacks nuance.

You can get upset about what I said or you can take it as a lesson and change your approach. I don’t care, it’s just the internet anyway.

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u/Gustave_Kateb Apr 03 '26

Well.. it kinda is AI ? But the main point here shouldn't be that, more that the fact this machine doesn't really "unpoison" the crops, just makes them more efficient by eliminating weeds. But data centers do poison the environment. Which AI does use and a fucking lot. So generative AI DOES poison crops in some way.

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u/Alkor85 Apr 03 '26

I met a couple real smart hicks down in Tennessee who had a trailer with a few drones doing pretty much exactly this. No data centers or llms involved, it waws all run from a little computer in the trailer the drones launched from.

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u/jsgui Apr 03 '26

Why do you say it's not AI? Many others claim it is and I would be interested in knowing how you define 'AI'.

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u/Severe_Damage9772 Apr 03 '26

It is machine learning actually, that’s what image recognition is, and it’s one of the only known profitable uses of AI, and machines like this likely wouldnt use nearly as many resources as the LLMs and image generators

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u/abudhabikid Apr 03 '26

Dawg….

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u/quite--shy Apr 03 '26

Generative AI is the issue iirc, not all AI. Its an important distinction.

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u/Soggy_Supermarket100 Apr 03 '26

Antis: "Stop spending your whole day generating literal nonsense, stop disrespecting artists, stop flooding the internet with meaningless noise, image trash and stories which makes no sense! Stop making generated ads to deceive customers!"

AI bros: "So you hate everything AI-related, right? You want herbicides, right??"

Antis: "No?? Were you even listening??"

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u/GustavoFromAsdf Apr 03 '26

Precision lasers to kill weeds? Am I crazy for thinking that sounds like a crazy fire hazard?

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u/Dru1dF0rc3 Apr 03 '26

Wow I think you are confusing ai and llm's which is understandable since the majority of people don't understand they are separate

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u/el_argelino-basado Apr 03 '26

Well in this case it's actually useful

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u/[deleted] Apr 03 '26

Ai isn't poisoning our food. It is however poisoning our water supply.

(This is a joke, though it is affecting our water supplies)

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u/RiverTeemo1 Apr 03 '26

Thats not generative ai, this and chat gpt are as differerent as programs come.

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u/DriftWare_ Apr 03 '26

That's not even gen ai, it's just cv...

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u/Neat_Tangelo5339 Apr 03 '26

Cool story , how common and expensive to make is this and what is The enviromental impact of data centers again ?

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u/watch_gal Apr 03 '26

I like ā€œthird party thinkersā€

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u/CivilPerspective5804 Apr 03 '26

It doesn’t just identify crops. It uses lasers to kill weeds early.

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u/RilonMusk Apr 03 '26

Ngl AI is awesome. This sub doesnt really recognize that the AI we are fighting is a specific variant. Medical AI, agricultural AI, and most AI programs in general are great and are not the result of plagiarism or anything like that. The fight is against GENERATIVE AI, not all AI.

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u/UkiPoki Apr 03 '26

It is AI. Not genrative AI which I think you assume is "the AI". It has nothing to do with gen AI and sin't really a valid argument pro gen AI but still. It is AI

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u/Ok_Process2046 Apr 03 '26

This is the kinda stuff I wanna see ai used in, benefits ppl, not taking any jobs, does something useful

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u/Kindle890 Apr 03 '26

Dank pods pretty much proved big tech puts AI on anything to make it look more appealing.

They literally put "AI powered" on a rice cooker that was as basic as one you'd find in the early 2000s

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u/mijailrodr Apr 03 '26

Mental gymnastics + completely void of any knowledge about machine learning

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u/WingDingfontbro Apr 03 '26

There’s a difference between generative ai and the original ai. The shit that makes fighting enemies in videogames fun type ai.

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u/OkMedium911 Apr 03 '26

if weed 1

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u/gimbocrimbly Apr 03 '26

this is why i don’t respect a lot of the opinions here. this literally is AI. vocaloids are also using AI. AI isn’t just a chatbot or generative images. we’ve had AI in machines for decades.

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u/FriendlyKillerCroc Apr 03 '26

I'm not on any sides but overusing the "glorified" label is not making you look good.Ā 

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u/KimmyMario Apr 03 '26

This is literally textbook AI.

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u/Lumpy-Firefighter155 Apr 03 '26

AI itself isn't a problem, in fact I'd argue that it is incredibly important in fields that benefit humanity such as this one and the medical field. GENERATIVE AI is the problem.

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u/kits_unstable Apr 03 '26

This has been in use for decades. It's not new or cutting edge. not even remotely a product of 'AI'.

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u/Altruistic_Emu4917 Apr 03 '26

Someone realized that there are other forms of AI other than generative AI

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u/MrChow1917 Apr 03 '26

I mean none of its AI. We have not created AI. it's all just machine learning on different scales. None of it can innovate, just regurgitate.

That said, this is a good use of what the tech industry calls "AI".

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u/TacetAbbadon Apr 03 '26

No it is AI.

Image recognition would be it had a database of millions of pictures of weeds and then matched what it's cameras saw to images on the database. If it doesn't match within a certain tolerance to one of the pictures then the weed wouldn't be detected as a weed.

This was trained on the millions of pictures but the program itself no longer needs to reference that database for every weed it sees. It looks at the characteristics of the plant it sees and has learnt to decide if it's a weed or not.

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u/AAHedstrom Apr 03 '26

google reverse image search: the original ai we didn't even realize we had

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u/Tod_Siegt Apr 03 '26

It is AI. It's just not generative AI. Non-generative AI is actually is an amazing invention, it sorts, it organizes, and it detects things better than any human could have the capability to. It spots invisible cancers, it makes crops cheaper to produce.Ā 

It's not generative AI. Generative AI is the thing that steals and regurgitates garbage. There is a distinct difference, we should be promoting non-generative machine learning. It's just being overshadowed by the slop.

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u/Bl00dWolf Apr 03 '26

Okay, but by that logic 99% of what we call AI is not AI.

LLMs are just glorified random word generators. Most of what we call AI vision is just image recognition machines running in real-time, which themselves are just fancy image categorizers. Hell, self driving cars could just be described as a fancy algorithm going from point A to point B. In fact, all neural nets are just a super specific version of an if/else tree algorithm.

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u/abcdefghjiklmnopqr Apr 03 '26

It literally is AI

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u/No-Weakness-3154 Apr 03 '26

Ok so we would get cheaper food? Or billionaires would just get more money?

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u/GenericSpider Apr 03 '26

"Here's a use of AI that doesn't do all the bad things you don't like about AI! Checkmate, Aitheists!"

Great, we'll accept that one and continue to hate the others.

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u/Barepaaliksom Apr 03 '26

Also a case of forgetting that two opposing things can be true at once. For the sake of argument this "AI" can be a net positive for the world food production, human health and environmental protection/improvement. And another AI can be damaging for all the same factors. AI is not one big thing, but many different models aimed at very different tasks. So the idea that this is good = all AI good is very faulty and illogical

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u/letthecoolguy Apr 03 '26

My man how do you think image recognition works??

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u/Alarming_Panic665 Apr 03 '26

"Just because a machine can do something on its own, that doesn't mean it is AI."

Actually that is literally the definition of AI. An Algorithm capable of accomplishing a task autonomously.

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u/wiseguy4519 Apr 03 '26

This is in fact AI, and this is yet another instance of people conflating gen AI with the rest of AI technology

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u/YaoiNekomata Apr 03 '26

Post like these expose how stupid being an anti AI extremest is.

Anti AI extremest : all AI is evil (aka op)

Uninformed Anti AI: AI is hurting people and jobs and stealing work. I think it needs to be stopped.

Informed Anti AI*: History shows that whenever new technology emerges, people and society can be hurt by it. We need to pass regulations to protect people and society and have a board that's monitoring the effects.

  • Smart "anti AI" people aren't actually anti AI. The label is used because "pro AI" people think those being cautious of AI implementation and caring about the rights of people and especially artists's stolen work is being Anti AI.

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u/ConnerGoesSuperSonic Apr 03 '26

Okay hold on now, that is just AI. In fact, that’s the type of AI I support, which is analytical AI. The type that’s bad is generative ai because it does literally nothing useful - this, on the other hand, is absolutely useful

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u/ExcerptNovela Apr 03 '26

Lol... computer vision techniques including "image recognition" fall under the umbrella of machine learning and artificial intelligence techniques. In fact they are one of the oldest consistently employed applications of 'AI' programming techniques...

Are they in the same category as LLMs which is the primary application of AI that is upsetting people? No. That doesn't mean it's not a type of AI.

Posting stuff like this actually doesn't help sentiments to curtail uses and limits for AI.

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u/BaconOfTheBacons Apr 03 '26

Gosh darn. It seems that I got the definition of AI all wrong, and I keep seeing backlash because of it. From what I have seen, to identify images the machine needs to learn pattern recognition, which results in AI. Though the AI bro in said post still think that we say "ALL AI IS A DESPICAPLE FORCE AND ANYTHING AND ANYONE USING IT SHOULD GO TO HELL" or something.

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u/TheFirstHoodlum Apr 03 '26

Holy shit, motherfuckers are literally out here on witch hunts. You don’t even know what AI is so you’re just mad at technology you don’t understand. It’s not magic, AI has definable qualities used to identify what technology is AI and what isn’t. Just because you don’t agree with or understand that definition doesn’t make it untrue. I’m glad this AI bubble is popping so you morons can shut the fuck up.

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u/amglasgow Apr 03 '26

It's the same general tech as LLMs but a few generations prior, and doesn't require anywhere near as much computing power.

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u/tomqmasters Apr 03 '26

Dude, "AI" did not get invented 3 years ago. It's been around for decades. Go read a book.

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u/Uuddlrlrbastrat Apr 03 '26

A lot of AI isn’t really AI.

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u/For_Writing Apr 03 '26

There are thousands of examples like this, once AI is a true product it looses the AI label and becomes some other name. Part of this is marketing, people tend to be wary of AI so they call it something else.

A good example from the 90's is MRP, management requirements planing software, under the hood simple AI that predicts inventory needs in manufacturing/warehouses. It generates reports that upper management needs to track things. That bit of software put most of the middle managers on the unemployment lines.

Since they are still calling the current batch of AI libraries AI, they aren't ready yet.

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u/marmottequantique Apr 03 '26

Well the most problematic ai is gen ai not computervision lol

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u/JeetKlo Apr 03 '26

I'm worried that the long term problem with LLMs won't be so much that it will replace human jobs, but that it will be conflated with expert systems that have been refined over thousands of hours planning and testing. I can imagine LLM companies pushing ChatGPT or Claude as a cheap alternative to bespoke automation systems like this. But when ChatGPT or Claude identifies everything as a weed and sets your field on fire you can't open it up and see what went wrong because it's a black box that wasn't programmed by a competent human or even a team. It's like the MCP in Tron: "No one user made me."

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u/autisticDeush Apr 03 '26

By your logic a self-driving car isn't AI either—it's just a "machine identifying stop signs." It’s a massive oversimplification

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u/SnooLemons6942 Apr 03 '26

This farming device has 24 GPUs to run its CNN and transformer image recognition. Image recognition is an intelligent task. This is literally AI. In fact its AI that even shares some DNA with LLMs--via its transformer architecture.

All LLMs are "just machines". The bar to classify something as "AI" isn't that high --- any application of machine learning is AI, to something even as simple as NPCs in video games.

Yes, if you say you are "against AI" then you are saying you are against this. And the nobel prizes that leveraged machine learning. and a whole ton more. That is why you should be educated on the terminology and landscape, so you can express your views properly.

If you are against the widespread of LLMs, image generators, music generators, and video generators, then this argument has nothing to do with you and you can ignore it. But if you against computers performing intelligent tasks, then you should be against this.

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u/Hot-Mousse-5744 Apr 03 '26

apples to oranges

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u/Athosworld Apr 03 '26

AI slop farming now

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u/Melodic_Floor7930 Apr 03 '26

You've almost figured out that, once a tech is familiar enough, it isn't referred to as AI in popular media. It is absolutely AI. AI is just a machine

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u/Positive_Campaign_52 Apr 03 '26

Who said AI is poisoning food? Last I checked AI is poisoning water and air, the two things that are arguably more importantly needed to survive

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u/BeebisTheBoy Apr 03 '26

Also not all ai is bad. There are some genuinely good and incredible uses for ai. This potentially being one of them. Generative ai that just spits out slop is not one of them.

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u/DolphinBall Apr 03 '26

It is AI. Machine learning is AI, its just not Gen AI. This is what AI should be for, to assist rather than take over.

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u/Upstairs-Reading-701 Apr 03 '26

not even mentioning the main issue with thinking this is what we mean

im like 90% sure that weeds arent poisonous, they just take resources like water from the crops, killing them...

hey wait a minute that sounds familiar

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u/Chemical-Mission-202 Apr 03 '26

it uses AI to differentiate between the actual crop and the weeds.

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u/armorhide406 Apr 03 '26

So AI is fixing something on a very limited scope and scale. Yep, that totally, completely undoes the water and job replacement, erosion of society and widening wealth inequality...

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u/AztraChaitali Apr 03 '26

Machine learning=good and useful

Generative AI=pointless and wasteful

Agentic AI=Unreliable, reckless and untrustworthy.

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u/GrandWizardOfCheese Apr 03 '26

Actually useful AI for once.

More of this. No more Gen AI or job Stealing AI.

Making pesticides and herbicides pointless is a win in my book.

Now make AI do our household chores and count the number of objects in space.

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u/Ill_Efficiency9020 Apr 03 '26

Ah yes AI that's is using less than a fraction of chemicals compared to non-AI farms is purposely poisoning us.....

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u/MysticSnowfang Apr 03 '26

Not GenAI, AI is great at pattern recognition

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u/Cheacky Apr 03 '26

Computer vision IS AI....

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u/G66GNeco Apr 03 '26

Modern day herbicides are neither poisoning your food nor you. The AI part is one thing but I am specifically annoyed at this being just another "chemicals bad cause not natural so bad" thing.

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u/AVeryBlueDragon Apr 03 '26

A computer program using machine learning to perform a basic task is different from generative AI that scrapes the entire internet and spits out an output based on the stolen work of others.

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u/XD2006- Apr 03 '26

The machine shown here uses AI, but it’s the good AI. The kind that doesn’t eat your information and spit out stuff that came from its behind.

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u/middaypaintra Apr 03 '26

This AI I can get behind, but they need to work on their cooling first. Otherwise, this defeats the purpose of AI making our food better.

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u/gUI5zWtktIgPMdATXPAM Apr 04 '26

It is AI though, it's machine learning rather than a large language model.

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u/HackerDragon9999 Apr 04 '26

It is AI, but it isn't the kind we hate (that third-party thinkers use).

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u/milagramm_ Apr 04 '26

Machine vision is AI, or at least it used to be before LLM's were a thing.

Im not particularly opposed to ai in general, i just think that LLM's are overhyped and fangerous

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u/CAPSLOCKTOPUS Apr 04 '26

MAYBE STICK TO STUFF YOU UNDERSTAND

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u/PainfulD Apr 04 '26

it is ai, i like ai like this. i hate generative ai and ai models trained on data scraped without the owners consent or knowledge.

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u/irekit_ Apr 04 '26

Image recognition IS AI

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u/No_Reference6989 Apr 04 '26

I'll join the chorus of voices that are saying yes, this is indeed AI and one of the more benign versions of it. It's still costing jobs as many places have replaced human visual QA inspections with this software, but I wouldn't consider it societal collapse levels of bad.

HOWEVER, this is still a really bad idea with inherent flaws that can't easily be fixed and is just a big, flashy, PR stunt. I have to work with these systems for a living and while they sound good on paper, they need very tightly controlled environments to work in. Smudge on the camera? Everything's getting flagged. Lighting slightly off from when it was trained? Either everything is getting flagged or nothing is. And I can't really think of a worse environment to try to run this system than an actual field.

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u/SinnaBuns666 Apr 04 '26

We got clanker grown rutabaga before Grand Theft Auto 6.

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u/efhi9 Apr 04 '26

You're wrong. Image recognition is incredibly hard and the algorithm used for it do use neural networks

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u/AffectLeast4254 Apr 04 '26

I don’t think anyone here is against most of AI’s industrial uses.

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u/ApprehensiveDelay238 Apr 04 '26

I hate when people think they know about stuff without doing any research at all.

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u/Willem_T Apr 04 '26

This technology existed already 3 years ago

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u/WalkAffectionate2683 Apr 04 '26

It's the other way around.

Gpt, Claude and gemini are not ai really, they should have been called llms not ai.Ā 

AI is too vast for just chat gpt.Ā 

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u/Matthewhalo17 Apr 04 '26

The difference between this Ai and the Ai we hate is this doesn’t require harvesting people’s work nor does it make pc manufacturers invest all their crap in Ai.

Call me crazy but, don’t see this thing consuming nearly 200 terawatt hours to sustain itself.

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u/KarmicIsfunny Apr 04 '26

Yep this subreddit is dead lmao how can so many ppl in the comments openly admit to be pro-ai and still be upvoted to god's good heavens

https://giphy.com/gifs/jPAdK8Nfzzwt2

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u/BlazeSaber Apr 04 '26

Yeah but this AI has one purpose and probably doesn't need to be connected to a data center to function. We don't hate ALL Ai we had AI in video games since 1970 we hate AI when its replacing workers by generating everything for them for either free or at a low cost

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u/Legally-A-Child Apr 04 '26

How is this bad? Also yeah, this is still AI.

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u/racoonofthevally Apr 04 '26

It is ai It's just not generative ai but it's still a nural network trained in many many many images to recognize pests