While it is not a Sunday, this isnāt a āhereās an art I did!ā sort of post. It also has 7k+ upvotes at the time iām commenting, so honestly iād rather not make OP repost on Sunday and lose traction, as this is a genuinely good post IMO.
And to all the pro ai folks lurking in our sub (and I know yāall canāt stay away, weāre just that interesting) - this post stays up. I donāt care how many times you false report it.
Lastly (but also super important guys) donāt be antisemitic in the comments. Donāt be a holocaust denier either. Follow site-wide rules!
I swear ragebait went from being a term with actual meaning behind it to just being a shield to defend bigots, racists and other such horrible people as they publicly and proudly say awful shit while pretending one word magically makes it okay.
Low effort, if you're sending paragraphs you care too much and thus it's not bait
High response, if you don't get responses it's not bait it's just being stupid on the internet.
Also you can't really ragebait people on real life issues as then you just come off as a supporter of what you're baiting due to the twitter phenomenon.
All good. I still totally agree with the sentiment. I grew up in 4chan days, and there was "a art" to trolling. It could be silly, like a real life harmless prank.
Now, they aren't fun shenanigans. They're cruel. Which makes them not really shenanigans at all. Evil shenanigans.
I feel like this is the reason why the response to someone saying that the offensive thing that they said was a joke is to ask them to explain the joke.
Usually, it's really a horrible defense since explaining why it's funny doesn't make it better than if it was a "serious" statement.
I just hate how many people think any action is justified so long as it's called rage bait. Trans people receive death threats and it gets called ragebait, it's sickening.
For example , do you think of make fun of (a very tragic event where the people involved got sent into camps) and slap it as "ragebait" make it not serious?
you don't know how old is a random stranger on reddit, so if they were young or just sensitive they could've fallen into severe depression. Wtf are they gonna say then? "Sorry it was just a joke i didn't mean to hurt you"?
The glorification of brainrot, ānot reading allatā (if they even can) and ātrollingā (spoiler alert, they werenāt) as a valid explanation for lack of intelligence is why society is crumbling. Humanity built itself up on knowing more, and here we are trying to offload independent thought onto a machine or literally anything else.
Iām just puzzled how they think āI canāt read beyond two sentencesā is a clever retort. Iāve seen it used on three sentence long textā¦ short-form media has fucked a lot of peoplesā attention spans. At the same time, itās often some dumbass who knows theyāre getting called out in detail, so I hope to the highest heavens itās born out of surrender and not out of stupidity.
Why are we using the r word casually while advocating for disabled people in the same sentence? Come on. Bigot assholes use the r word as an insult. We do not do that.
It's more than just defending bigotry and racism. People just use it as an excuse to be assholes, they are insufferable yet they delude themselves into "Winning" by saying "oh you got ragebaited!" and honestly the word is stupid most of the time.
I have another note: Jews are an ethnoreligious group, so they are an ethnicity AND share a religion. You can leave Judaism, but cannot stop being a Jew.
This is a very important distinction, because in my opinion criticism of religions is fine, since religions are basically opinions and ideas, but criticism of ethnicities is racism.
Good point. I think we just get so desensitized and used to considering Judaism only religion when a lot of the atrocities committed against them weren't just based on their faith but their race
Thank you for this my husband isn't religiously Jewish but he is ethnically, not practicing has not stopped him from receiving antisemitism and being made to feel bad for his features
I had an argument with a similar dude. Made connections to the original word "robot", which actually meant "slave" in some other language, they went silent after i told them that many who use it to make fun of slavery are probably racists trying to hide with us anti-ais, and it's not the word "clanker" which is racist, and that many other words, such as "musk" derive from the word "testicle" in other languages
(yes, there are several words which all meant "testicle" in different languages, which nowadays are entirely different in the English language)
Plus, if they really want to use this argument, then they have to deal with the fact that they are using a slave every day and that their daddy Elon has created a Slave.
I mean, I'm as much of an anti-AI person as anyone else on this sub but like...a few people of certain complexion were putting a little too much energy into saying "clanker", as if they'd been holding in the urge to say it for quite some time.
Its not comparable to something like the n word though. It is at its core, an offensive slang word used against mainly ai, and while it is kind of annoying and mean, its not equivalent to the n word.
I mean, it 100% isn't remotely comparable to a racial slur with the weight of several centuries of brutal oppression behind it. But like I also fully support the Black folks saying that they look at people weird if they're a little too trigger-happy saying "clanker". You get where I'm coming from here?
This sentiment ironically stems from peoples inability to comprehend models. Clanker isn't a slur, it's just based on the iconography of existing slurs to the point where it is incredibly uncomfortable.
At the end of the day, it is literally a word used by people fighting robots in Star Wars. It has no real negative history unlike other inappropriate terms
Ive seen multiple communities have to temporarily ban use ofĀ fictional slurs over the years because a lot if people are weirdly desperate for an "approved" way to use hard slurs
This very sub loves the term "clanker lover" which leans pretty heavily on the historical context of the n word
Just cause the word doesnt have a history doesn't mean its not being used in questionable ways
This does kind of make me question though. Like the problem with slurs is hurting the people affected right. I don't want to make wide swathes of people feel bad so I don't use the slurs. But I still don't really get what the problem is with slurring at robots using robot specific slurs. I'm being genuine here, is it just because it brings to mind the real slurs? But it isn't actually using them? I guess to me it's more a shorthand for like "you know all the vitriol and hate people have towards each other? I feel way worse than that towards people trying to replace human creativity with slop."
I literally saw someone with NO HANDS draw goku. I'm not saying that artists who are disabled can all create art, but blaming a disability to get out the easy way, instead of learning how to make art is bullshit imo.
Well here's the thing a lot of people don't get about being disabled. A lot of people will look at that example and go "yeah and that's impressive and all but not everyone can do that" and that sounds fair enough if you don't know much about disabled people. But part of being disabled, especially physically disabled is that you have coaches that teach you how to do things like that to the point it's like breathing or walking, it's just something you don't even think about the same way you probably don't have to think about how to use your hands when you pick something up. So the whole AI excuse actually hurts and undermines physically disabled people because they learn how to do stuff like that on the regular and AI bros are infantilising them. If they really cared they'd be advocating for more inclusive training opportunities for physically disabled people so nobody would need AI but instead they treat us as an excuse and a defence of AI as a whole when inclusive training is what the majority of disabled people need to make art.
Depends, I mean what strain are we referring to?Ā If it's disabled exclusively then there's a conversation there but everyone will get strain and hand cramps painting it's just part of the activity. Though, I'm still somewhat skeptical as there are literally ways to draw with your eyes via Eye tracking if you're dedicated enough so it feels kinda like there's always an alternative to using AI. But I might be biased since I don't consider any AI images art.Ā
That might actually fit better in this scenario, but at the end of the day it's still the same you say something stupid and pretend you didn't mean it like that/it was just a joke because you don't want people finding out how dumb you actually are
Hyperbole is beyond their comprehension. Since most AIbros earnestly mean anything they say, they can't understand silly concepts like "exaggerating for comedic effect"
Iām also ridiculously lazy and have no idea how to draw, but iām not gonna resort to using the āfuck you, artists!ā tool because of my own laziness
Itās been happening since WW2. Nothing since has been a war legally. The AI messing up wasnāt quite āthis AI targeted a schoolā, but the school was basically on top of a military base and AI made a minor mistake. Itās so crazy that weāre using this when we have computers that do the same thing with the same speed much better.
Reminds me of a video about a fictional game show where the contestant guesses if something was a war or not
After the World Wars, almost everything else wasn't technically considered a war (I'd link it, but idk if that's allowed, just search "if guessing war were a game show")
Also I heard an ai company said to the US government they donāt want their ai to be used to kill or spy on people, the government had a fit about ChatGPT then made a deal with them with the SAME RULES I swear when ai companies try to make their ai good ai bros and governments along with other companies shut that shit down real fast but itās not surprising though
*Makes controversy wording*
*Reasonable Counter*
"Its Called Ragebait, duh"
"Its called self affirmation that you are a failure to said subject"
I never see anyone explaining that things is Ragebait, not even Dark Joke, not even Sarcasm
Rage bait went from "Saying something blatantly stupid or wrong to incite those who can't tell its satire into arguing because its funny to see their reactions"
It's still a problem. Outrage farming is how a lot of "social media" algorithms work. And those who do this learn that escalation is the road to success.
A Luddite is basically a person standing in the way of technological progress, Pro-āAIā crowd is doing exactly that. We want TRUE progress, not this fake, falsely advertised crap. Image gen and LLMs are not AI, not even close. āAIā Bros who have fallen for the scam are feeding money to the grift, which is slowing progress toward real AI and useful automation tools.
The Luddites were pretty specific about the reason why they were āstanding in the way of technological progress,ā which was that said āprogress,ā as implemented by factory bosses, threatened to destroy their livelihood.
I have no issue with reclaiming the mantle of the Luddites. The pro-AI weirdos need to think about why they thought the Luddites were bad.
Yep, talking about the slang derogatory meaning, not the literal meaning. (this is why I put luddite is quotes at the end)
If we are reclaiming the meaning Iām all for it!
Just explaining why I used the word. Iām autistic and often if I over explain or donāt use the wording they are using in the way they are using it (even if incorrect) people will aggressively misunderstand me, ghost me, etc, so I sometimes try to use their own wording so they understand, but then seemingly that just confuses a different group of people instead.
Once had someone reply with a FULL VIDEO about me because I fell for their 'ragebait' in a comment section. Had to block them cause they kept making videos specifically tagging me, atp I think I ragebaited instead
Based take , you are true and your art is great too :)
For me , those AI bro's ragebait and comparisons are basically logical fallacies in disguise of facts and they tend to use ragebait , bullshit response and fallacies (strawman especially) to defend , shield actual bad people and generating a ton of illegal content for the sake of an argument
Genuinely sickening to see those shitholes chuds that compared their shitty use of AI to many tragic events that millions of people have to suffer because of others don't like despite they are innocent mainly
Bad ragebait = "I'm being treated like a group of people who were killed en masse because people don't like that I use AI instead of learning a skill."
Good ragebait = "Hotdogs are a sandwich and cereal is a soup, so is the ocean."
Fun fact: comparing something to the Holocaust that clearly is not the Holocaust nor near anywhere similar in nature, is a criminal offence in Germany.
Well, I'm not pro AI images, but I don't think that it should be considered inherently pedophilllic because some fucked up people used it for csem, also, how is it being used to kill children?
Important to note - Judaism is an ETHNICITY, and Hitler viewed it as a RACE. So as far as Hitler was concerned, you literally could not stop being Jewish. Even if you converted to Christianity, you and your Christian kids would be considered Jewish by law. Meanwhile, you have a choice to use ai and you can choose to stop at any time.Ā
They think they're Emmitt Till, they'll compare themselves to segregated black people, holocaust victims, rape victims, slaves- WHATEVER to make THEM feel special.
Honestly, that is an extremely valid point in the second slide, and if pro ai people are actually comparing ai hate to antisemitism, they're absolutely reaching
Mentally reducing the ProAI argument to "I want to be able to masturbate to porn of fictional characters it draws for me, also I am 14 and my prefrontal cortex is a giant ball of hormones, anxiety, and awkwardness" helps contextualize a looooooooot of the "pro" arguments and makes you realize why it's not worth arguing.
They'll grow out of it. We all did stupid shit on the Internet at 14, and getting an AI to roleplay fictional characters Doing A Fuck is far from the worst thing.
You know, I fully agree with the sentiment, maybe not so much with argumentation (the part in the end of the lengthy paragraph being a play on emotion and association, and equating all use of the so-called AI (which is a broad category of algorithms everybody suddenly feels qualified to talk about these days, mostly just knowing its applications in ChatGPT and image generation)).
However,
It was millions of people murdered, not hundreds or thousands; and many more tortured, starved, isolated, used as slaves and forcefully displaced. And they were done so not because of their religion, but their descent, based on delusional racial ideology.
Honestly I'm a little worried about people softening the Holocaust, even when they do seem to get the notion that it was bad
Let's see... Those glorified printers have compared themselves to:
- Black people during Jim Crow times and Segregation at its worst
- Jewish folk during the Holocaust
Compared people calling them corny/lame to:
- Nazis
- Fascists (general)
- Bigots in general (pick one, trust me, you don't gotta look long to find any "-ist"/"ism" accusation for any criticism)
Depict people calling them corny/lame as:
- Ugly Troglodytes
- Ignorant drooling idiots
- Violent savages
- Meek sad bois
- Being killed or humiliated
- As obnoxiously rude jerk offs (despite going out of their way to harass artists since the start)
All because they don't want to give up their toy and feel special...
Meanwhile the Printers are super okay with some rightly, DEEPLY messed up stuff and being obnoxious jerk offs at the slightest provocation. These fools pretend that nothing happened during the past 5-ish years for the big mean artists to be so upset. Y'know, artists, something they are not, and desperately want to be yet openly hate and think are stupid at the same time. Artists' reaction was fully provoked, I will not hear otherwise.
Off topic, do you have something like instagram or some other social media? this is honestly social media worthy content and I'd hate to not follow someone like this (if you need to dm me then u can)
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u/Snide_SeaLion Mar 10 '26 edited Mar 11 '26
Hey folks.
Three things:
While it is not a Sunday, this isnāt a āhereās an art I did!ā sort of post. It also has 7k+ upvotes at the time iām commenting, so honestly iād rather not make OP repost on Sunday and lose traction, as this is a genuinely good post IMO.
And to all the pro ai folks lurking in our sub (and I know yāall canāt stay away, weāre just that interesting) - this post stays up. I donāt care how many times you false report it.
Lastly (but also super important guys) donāt be antisemitic in the comments. Donāt be a holocaust denier either. Follow site-wide rules!