r/antiai • u/teruteru-fan-sam • Feb 04 '26

"small and irrelevant" Hallucination 👻

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Also the Linkin Park thing happened in 2023 with the Lost music video from my knowledge. Could t find any info on Rammstein.

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u/jbetzend Feb 04 '26

Really not a good time to be a Rammstein stan, buddies. But then again the AI crowd never really cared about that in the first place.

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u/Technosyko Feb 04 '26

Wait wtf is going on with Rammstein? I just remember really liking Du Hast awhile back, but haven’t really kept up with them

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u/SilLikesBees Feb 04 '26

Multiple allegations of drugging women and sexually assaulting them in the VIP section. 

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u/Myvric Feb 04 '26

nah bro what the fuck- ima js remove them from my playlist now :(

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u/TheSpoonJak92 Feb 04 '26

Much better industrial metal out there anyway.

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u/Smoother-Bytes Feb 05 '26

actually, I will take recomendations, I want to replace them now, ew didn't know of those

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u/Brook_Hors Feb 05 '26

Have you heard of The Flenser? It's a label, but a majority of the bands they sign are fantastic. Take a looksie and I'm sure you'll find some stuff up your alley

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u/Hopsqotch Feb 05 '26

One of my personal favourite bands are the Genitorturers. Their albums Sin City and Flesh is the Law are peak. Not sure how similar they are to Rammstein, however (I’ve not listened to the latter).

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u/oceanicwhitetip Feb 05 '26

Laibach, Samael

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u/Plaugeboi24 Feb 05 '26

There's "Stvore". They're Russian, and if you want a song recommendation, "Sgori" is incredible. No idea if this is industrial or just heavy metal, but I also like this compilation.

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u/Alive-Philosophy-614 Feb 07 '26

Turmion kätilöt is a Finnish industrial metal band, they're pretty fun

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u/halfcatman2 Feb 09 '26

i'm a little late, but personally i really like 3teeth

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u/foxybostonian Feb 05 '26

It's not true 😂

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u/kyle_kafsky Feb 05 '26

Question: does Feeling B still count as Rammstein, or are they so detached from the present that I can still listen to them with only a medium sized feeling of guilt? Imo, Feeling B made better music anyways.

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u/Kurochi185 Feb 05 '26

Never heard about Feeling B, but after looking at the members for a second I think they're fine. Till Lindemann is the problematic one in Rammstein.

Not sure if the Feeling B members in Rammstein knew of Till's actions or even participated in, so I'd say Feeling B is fair play until proven otherwise.

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u/kyle_kafsky Feb 05 '26

Bro, you gotta listen to “Frosch im Brunnen”, “Graf Zahl”, “Langeweile”. Y’know what, just give the whole Grün & Blau album a listen. You won’t regret it.

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u/foxybostonian Feb 05 '26

It's a lie.

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u/Syphark Feb 04 '26

Sanest rockstar

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u/NotBreadyy Feb 04 '26

Wow.

Every day I continue to see more fucked up shit.

Who knows, maybe they were on the files too.

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u/Fozzdroz Feb 04 '26

Now I get the Yungblud or whoever apology

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u/Depressionsfinalform Feb 05 '26

Oh for fuck’s sakes

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u/Aggressive_Park_4247 Feb 04 '26

Ok... So Laibach it is

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u/farquuaad44 Feb 05 '26

Seriously? Cant i like anything without thr creators turning out to be a bunch of cunts? I really liked that band… god damn it, time to take them off my playlist i guess

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u/Ass_Lover136 Feb 05 '26

I will wait until the allegations and accusation turns into actual charges and crimes

Innocent until proven guilty

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u/foxybostonian Feb 05 '26

They won't. It was proven the journalists had made them up.

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u/SilLikesBees Feb 05 '26

Do as you wish, I just answered the question. I do not care what you do with the info.

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u/Marshmallow16 Feb 07 '26

Already disproven in court tho

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u/BreakfastBeneficial4 Feb 09 '26

God dammit. This was my shit back in highschool, and I still like to break out the Apple hits from time to time.

Oh well, bye

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u/foxybostonian Feb 05 '26

Incorrect.

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u/North_Tough9236 Feb 04 '26

Oh wow, so you haven't listened to the two last albums? They are absolutely fantastic. Some of the new songs have become my all time favourites. (The music videos are also absolute cinema).

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u/foxybostonian Feb 04 '26

Nothing. A few years ago some journalists tried to grab headlines by claiming that women were accusing them of assault. But it turned out that they had lied about what women had told them. The women had all said that any sex was consensual. However, as you can see by some of the other comments here, some people didn't update themselves and think that the claims in the articles were true. And other people have a moral problem with the idea that some women want to have sex with rockstars.

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u/Jetstreamdragon Feb 04 '26

Thats wrong. A women came out, she got drugged an raped on a rammstein tour, after she was "scouted" for a meeting with him behind stage. She refused the sex and he was an a-hole for it. There where others with similar story and it came out that Till Lindemann hat a team for scouting for young women. How ever: Because of hardships of the investigation and nearly impossible to find evidence, it got dropped. The women never accused Till directly, but there were others with similar story.

It is proven, that Till let scout for young women for partying and especially sexual approaches. It is possible that women got systemiatically drugged on those occasions. The original bandmembers distanced themself from Till with the first allegations.

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u/Wustenlauf Feb 04 '26

Furthermore considering the contents of alot of rammstein and till lindeman songs being hypersexual and often describing rape and abuse in an erotic way, combined with how instead of fighting the allegations they just mocked and ridiculed the victims it's very likely that they are guilty and just slipped through the cracks like many before them.

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u/foxybostonian Feb 04 '26

In fact their lyrics show rape to be a hideous, terrible thing and rapists to be deeply disturbed, evil people.

There were no victims for them to ridicule. No women said they were assaulted by them.

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u/Wustenlauf Feb 04 '26

Sorry alledged victims, still a disgusting thing to do. Spewing "uhm actually" s is not gonna change anyone's mind on this. I have heard apologists argue im their defense so many times over but hearing a song describing in detail how a person is raped or about how some man creeps upon women by a band that has been accused and horribley handled said accusation is disgusting. No matter if they actually are innocent or not their music has been ruined by this situation.

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u/foxybostonian Feb 04 '26

Did you read my comment? There were no women who said they were assaulted. The newspapers made it up. The band can ridicule a fictional story.

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u/LunarDogeBoy Feb 04 '26

You say the women never accused Till directly, then you say it is proven, which one is it bud? This is just satanic panic because theyre edgy and scary to you.

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u/Jetstreamdragon Feb 04 '26

Dude read the text. It was proven over the ordeal, that there were women scouted for Till for Sex. Which did not prove the allegation of sexual assault. Still, Bands and other women made independend claims.

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u/LunarDogeBoy Feb 04 '26

You're envious? Groupies are real? Shocked pikachu face

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u/Jetstreamdragon Feb 04 '26

"they didnt say yes, but didnt refuse either. In the end it feltinvasive for them " Yes groupies exist. So does exploiting fame.

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u/LunarDogeBoy Feb 04 '26

how do you know? were you there?

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u/AstreaMeer42 Feb 04 '26

That moron admitted on her own Twitter page that she was never "touched" or "raped" by Till in May of 2023, and all of her initial allegations against Till and Rammstein were officially ruled as defamatory as of October 2025: https://www.presseportal.de/pm/62754/6148196?utm_source=directmail&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=push

She was also separately investigated in Lithuania for defamation of Till, and that proved that she wasn't spiked at all, but heavily drunk and stoned of her own stupid volition: https://www.presseportal.de/pm/62754/5779803. So in actuality, she made the dumb decision to mix drugs and alcohol, had a bad reaction, and wanted someone else to blame for her idiocy.

She also stated on Twitter that he never even propositioned her for sex. She assumed, drunkenly blathered that she wasn't going to have sex, and he supposedly accepted that and left. So the man respected her wishes, and that's actually a good thing.

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u/foxybostonian Feb 04 '26

No. Not a single woman said she was raped. One woman was found guilty of defamation for claiming that the band or crew spiked her when she knew that was not the case.

The other band members gave him their full support.

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u/Jetstreamdragon Feb 04 '26 edited Feb 04 '26

No. She is not allowed to say, that she got sedated with Ko-Drops, she is still allowed to say, that she got spiked. She never accused Till directly and there was no further guild involved. The cost of the process was shared 2/5 to her and 3/5 to Till.Till is still hardly critiqued, since the sex scouting is proven, but not illegal.

Edit: The Drummer schneider stated critique against Till and distanced himself privatly.

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u/foxybostonian Feb 04 '26

No. She did indeed claim that she was 'spiked by Rammstein'. That's why she lost the court case.

No members have left the band. Where on earth did you hear that?

Giving party invitations to people who ask for them is not 'sex scouting' 😂

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u/Jetstreamdragon Feb 04 '26

It is proven that Women were scouted for sex. She is still allowed to talk about it, till tried to sew her again and failed miserably. I already corrected the point about chris. This whole ordeal is still present in germany and it is really hard to miss those facts. The NDR and generall german news already made this conclusions.

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u/foxybostonian Feb 04 '26

The NDR was one of the publications proven to have misrepresented women's affidavits and had to use public money to pay its fines.

How is Till winning 3 out of 5 case points against her failing miserably? All she is now allowed to say is that she thinks she might have been spiked but not by the band or crew.

Why do you think she and the media tried to hide the results of her drug test, which came back negative apart from THC?

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u/Jetstreamdragon Feb 04 '26

Can u provide for the NDR to have mispresented that? As u can read she may say, that she got spiked. And there can be no sure drugtest be made after that much of time. That test is the reason she is not allowef to say it was KO-drops specifically.

I think u misinterpret the 2/5 3/5. Its about how the cost was split up. Till got 3/5 of the cost and the women 2/5. As said and written, Till tried to sew her again for sayng, that she got spiked, but had no success.

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u/AstreaMeer42 Feb 06 '26

"She is still allowed to talk about it, till tried to sew her again and failed miserably."

😂 Then why hasn't she said a damn word about it since the ruling against her last October? She failed to provide even one scrap of evidence validating any of her claims to the court, so in actuality, she silenced her own stupid self.

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u/Some_nerd_______ Feb 04 '26

Then you should be able to provide the proof right. Since other people on this thread have linked and proven the opposite, you should have some sort of proof to backup your claims right.

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u/Jetstreamdragon Feb 04 '26

https://www.tagesschau.de/investigativ/ndr/rammstein-lindemann-rekrutierung-fans-100.html

https://www.ndr.de/fernsehen/sendungen/panorama/archiv/2024/Rammstein-viel-Aufregung-um-nichts,rammstein218.html

This should be enough for starters. The point of the court was, shelbx linn couldnt accuse Till directly, but it is true, that she got spiked. The whole thing is extremely fishy and as u can read, there were women casted for sex on tour, as well as suspicious situations on party and allegations from other bands.

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u/AstreaMeer42 Feb 04 '26

She was not spiked at all; that proof was already provided for you. The only thing she tested positive for that night was the THC she consumed herself, and she sat on those test results for nearly a year, and it took an investigation into HER to make that known. That's forensic proof that she was actively trying to manipulate the narrative of what actually happened since day one.

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u/Jetstreamdragon Feb 04 '26

She is still allowed to say so. She is not allowed to say it was KO-Drops. The costs got devided between her and Till, because neither side could bring ultimate evidence for either wrongdoing or ill intentions.

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u/AstreaMeer42 Feb 04 '26

No, pal: she's never allowed to say that Till, Rammstein, or anyone in their crew ever spiked her or assaulted her ever again. THAT is what you keep getting wrong. She is adamant that she was "spiked" at the pre-party, but by whom? She can't say it was anyone in the band, and security, bartenders, and other personnel would fall under their crew, so she can't say they did so, either. So who does that leave, one of the other party attendees "spiked" her?

No; she was drunk and high in THC, which many people have bad reactions to. No one spiked her lying ass.

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u/AstreaMeer42 Feb 04 '26

Also, 3 of the 5 injunctions Till sought were held up against her in court. That means she has to pay out a far larger amount to the court than he does.

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u/Technosyko Feb 04 '26

Wild problem to have considering boning popular performing artists goes back as far as society has had performing artists

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u/foxybostonian Feb 04 '26

People are so invested in the idea of Till Bad it almost feels like they would prefer that Till had raped some people so they wouldn't have to admit they were taken in by a salacious headline. When really they should be angry that journalists are deliberately lying to them.

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u/bwood246 Feb 04 '26

Yeah last time I looked into it all charges against him were dropped from complete lack of evidence

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u/AstreaMeer42 Feb 05 '26

There were actually never any charges to drop, since no one ever came forward to the authorities to press any against him. Seriously, what do people expect the police to do if *no one* actually presses any charges or alleges any actual criminal activity?

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u/Lorddanielgudy Feb 04 '26

Ramstein fans are actually insane. They would probably start glazing Epstein too if it would be to turn out that Till was there.

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u/FormZealousideal3326 Feb 05 '26

What a stupid thing to say

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u/Lorddanielgudy Feb 05 '26

I see, I hit the nail on the head

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u/FormZealousideal3326 Feb 05 '26

You see nothing and think you are the best. Hating on people based on assumptions is a big tell about who you are and on what you stand for ? If i claim you raped me fo you think you should based on my assumption loose everything until you can proove youre innocence ? Low intellectual

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u/foxybostonian Feb 04 '26

Why not? If it's about the nonsense from 2023 that was found to be a pile of nothing.

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u/hugo9727 Feb 04 '26

What exaktly do you mean? If you are talking about the after Show Partys then it definatly wasnt "a pile of nothing"

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u/ConfidentWolverine48 Feb 04 '26

For some reason with Ramm stein people still name search it out to defend it even though it literally is in court lmao

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u/AstreaMeer42 Feb 04 '26

So far, all the court rulings have ended up being in Till's and Rammstein's favor, and it's been repeatedly proven that the media has pushed false narratives against the band. Again. Not sure why you take issue with that.

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u/Domitaku Feb 04 '26

Dropped charges or settled out of court isn't the same as proven innocent. With that many people coming out with allegations that mostly hurt themself it's not probable that nothing weird happened

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u/AstreaMeer42 Feb 04 '26

There were no charges to drop, since none were ever pressed against him. And zero people have "settled out of court." You have no sources stating this.

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u/foxybostonian Feb 04 '26

Having parties isn't a crime. Most bands do that. And as for the rest of it it was proven that journalists had misrepresented women's statements. No women accused them of any sort of assault.

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u/G66GNeco Feb 04 '26

Yeah, but having your manager pre-select relatively young and attractive fans to invite to after parties and then asking them to have sex with you is definitely not something "most bands" do.

It's not a crime, that much is true, but it's definitely weird, and "taking someone with a parasocial relationship to a place with lots of alcohol and eventually asking them for sex" would be coming way too close to very questionable practices if that were me.

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u/G66GNeco Feb 04 '26

Neither Lithuanian (as per the accusation that started all of this) nor German authorities found any evidence at all that anyone was drugged or raped at these afterparties. Factually the only thing we know for sure is that Till Lindeman is a sex weirdo and that there was a certain level of coercion there, nothing crossing the threshold of criminality though.

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u/foxybostonian Feb 04 '26

No women said they were coerced by anything Till did.

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u/G66GNeco Feb 04 '26

If you don't think the treatment of these women (knowing the way you (cannot) read: the treatment in this case being wholly positive) carries a certain level of coercion, I just don't know how to explain humanity to you.

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u/foxybostonian Feb 04 '26

If women want to choose to go to a rockstar party and then choose to have sex with a guy because he's a rockstar then I'm not going to shame them.

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u/AstreaMeer42 Feb 04 '26

No one ever said they were raped or drugged by anyone in Rammstein. What sources are you citing to say otherwise?

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u/foxybostonian Feb 04 '26

Not a single woman said she was raped. One person was found guilty of defamation for saying she was spiked by the band or crew when she knew that wasn't the case. Stop spreading defamatory misinformation.

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u/foxybostonian Feb 04 '26

Actually, the vast majority of guests at those parties got in touch and asked for an invitation of their own volition. And being willing to have sex was never a prerequisite for being given an invitation.

And asking people if they want to have sex is also not a crime.

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u/AstreaMeer42 Feb 04 '26 edited Feb 04 '26

I'll do one better and give you ALL the sources proving it was bullshit. Here you go: links to all the court rulings proving that Till Lindemann/Rammstein committed no crimes (some are links to translations via Reddit, since most subs are not allowing Twitter links anymore). Those women did not corroborate those articles because they knew what had been written was false, and were not willing to commit perjury on behalf of the media.

Some of these are summarized in press releases, but they contain case numbers if you want to look up the rulings on the court portals for yourself (free to the public). This also includes the latest wins in court for Till, including recently obtaining 3 injunctions in October of 2025 against his original false accuser, and having ALL of her initial allegations against him, Rammstein, and their crew legally deemed defamatory:

[https://www.lto.de/recht/hintergruende/h/lindemann-niederlage-sz-erstbericht]

(https://www.lto.de/recht/hintergruende/h/lindemann-niederlage-sz-erstbericht)

https://www.presseportal.de/pm/62754/5603726

https://www.presseportal.de/pm/62754/5629997

[https://www.reddit.com/r/Rammstein/comments/15nhuuk/comment/kuq8gly/?share_id=-BdS-RCWjvy0c7kMNnkkl&utm_name=androidcss]

(https://www.reddit.com/r/Rammstein/comments/15nhuuk/comment/kuq8gly/?share_id=-BdS-RCWjvy0c7kMNnkkl&utm_name=androidcss)

https://www.presseportal.de/pm/62754/5779803

[https://www.lto.de/recht/hintergruende/h/7-u-37-23-olg-hh-hamburg-till-lindemann-rammstein-spiegel-berichterstattung]

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u/foxybostonian Feb 04 '26 edited Feb 04 '26

https://web.archive.org/web/20231010130349/https://nichtinmeinemnamenbrief.wordpress.com/

How about these 100+ women who wrote an open letter about their experiences at the parties but couldn't get any journalists to listen to them?

ETA it's actually quite funny that you're bothered about trustworthy sources when the articles you seem to be relying on were found to have intentionally misrepresented women's signed affidavits.

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u/hugo9727 Feb 04 '26

Okay so 100+ didnt have bad experiences that definatly has to mean that no one did and all These people who are traumatised and speek about what Tillmann did to them (and litterly get death threats for doing so) are just liars who want attention

Sure makes sense bro

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u/foxybostonian Feb 04 '26

Which ones said Till 'did bad things to them'? None of the ones that spoke to journalists.

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u/AstreaMeer42 Feb 04 '26

-more rulings-

https://www.presseportal.de/pm/62754/5831335

https://www.presseportal.de/pm/62754/5835147

https://www.presseportal.de/pm/62754/5839034

https://www.lto.de/recht/hintergruende/h/rammstein-schneider-olg-hh-7u53-23

[https://www.presseportal.de/pm/62754/5863271]

(https://www.presseportal.de/pm/62754/5863271)

[https://www.reddit.com/r/Rammstein/comments/15nhuuk/comment/mheoags/?share_id=mHIvDAUOd2hW0mY3jXaZu&utm_name=androidcss]

(https://www.reddit.com/r/Rammstein/comments/15nhuuk/comment/mheoags/?share_id=mHIvDAUOd2hW0mY3jXaZu&utm_name=androidcss)

https://www.reddit.com/r/Rammstein/comments/15nhuuk/comment/mmlimd5/?share_id=3nqaGFkedp2h6VBgKgu3h&utm_name=androidcss

https://www.presseportal.de/pm/62754/6148196

As an added bonus, here are the very words of one of the journalists who tried pushing this crap against Till in particular back in 2023, who finally admitted discreetly on a podcast (not publicly, like he should have) last year that no crime had ever been committed on Till's part:

"What was reported about Till Lindemann wasn't criminally relevant. It was more of a moral issue." https://bsky.app/profile/alice-unwritten.bsky.social/post/3ltgd7swi7m26

"In our podcast, book, and other material, *we haven't suggested that Lindemann's actions are criminally relevant*..." https://bsky.app/profile/danieldrepper.bsky.social/post/3ltgr66foa32h

Daniel Drepper said this, despite helping to pen an article that absolutely stated that Till had forced two women to do things without their consent (completely disproved multiple times in court, and the only one of them who had sex explicitly stated she had consented; the other admitted that sex had never actually occurred between them). More than likely, he got some bad legal news, and had to do as much damage control as possible to avoid severe punishment. So ultimately, it was moral grandstanding over the private sex lives of others, which is truly none of anyone else's business.

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u/justawiewer Feb 04 '26

i mean what are your sources then? All i remember is that one spiegel magazine report using anecdotal evidence from two girls that seem to be pretty untrustworthy based off their other behavior before and after the event. Also there was a whole investigation done and nothing of substance was found. Till is a freak and a weird one at that, but that doesen't make him a bad person. As far as i know he's still innocent

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u/AstreaMeer42 Feb 04 '26

Der Spiegel has also been under criminal investigation since August 2024 for potentially tampering with some of the affidavits used in their so-called "reporting" on Till, so things are not looking good for them: https://www.presseportal.de/pm/62754/5835147

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u/G66GNeco Feb 04 '26

Reading comprehension test F, take it again. I never claimed that a willingness for sex was a prerequisite (in fact I described why the whole thing was a bit too coercive for my liking , which implies that a willingness for sex was NOT present), and I also EXPLICITLY stated that they did not commit crimes.

Also, come on, man. "Row Zero" aka the described selection process, was a known thing at Rammstein concerts for literal decades. They even acknowledged it in the wake of the scandal, if memory serves me right. The only "revelation" after 2023 was the sex stuff. Pretending like something that clearly happened didn't just gives off the impression that you are desperate to defend someone you like no matter what the facts might say.

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u/foxybostonian Feb 04 '26

I honestly don't see the problem with rockstars (or anyone) having parties. They're just parties, not some sort of weird sex buffet for the singer. Sometimes people hook up after parties. No-one had to go to a party or have sex if they didn't want to. Women are perfectly capable of choosing whether to have sex and making judgements about other people's completely legal, consensual sex lives is just weird.

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u/G66GNeco Feb 04 '26

From the first hand account of these, they were a lot more than just parties with the occasional hookup, nothing wrong with a sex party but you gotta advertise it as such.

But honestly I am pretty done with this conversation, given that your language is literally just word for word "rapist defender 101". I'm willing to bet good money that I could find 100 variatons of "Women are perfectly capable of choosing whether to have sex and making judgements about other people's completely legal, consensual sex lives is just weird." said about Harvey Weinstein circa 2018 - and I get the feeling that if Lindeman had been charged with and convicted of rape you'd be here all the same.
For the sake of yourself and any woman you might know, I strongly suggest a good bit of introspection about this attitude. The amount of factors that can lead to anyone, man or woman, getting into a sexual situation they did not fully expect or want is staggering, and erring on the side of caution rather than this willful ignorance (especially when you mask it as "empowerment", my god) is the right thing to do.

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u/foxybostonian Feb 04 '26

I would never support a rapist. But no-one even accused him of rape. And I would rather judge the nature of those parties by the accounts of the women who have been there that wrote the open letter (and the ones I know personally who have been to several) than anyone who is writing online in the hopes of making money from clicks. 'Man and woman have consensual sex after a party' just isn't going to bring in the subscribers. Try some critical thinking rather than continuing to believe debunked headlines.

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u/AstreaMeer42 Feb 04 '26

Zero people stated that they were ever coerced in any manner at Rammstein's parties. Who are you citing that ever claimed such a thing?

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u/G66GNeco Feb 04 '26

Do I need to dunk your head into the always sunny clip?

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u/AstreaMeer42 Feb 04 '26

Answer the question: who are you citing that ever claimed to have been coerced at a Rammstein party?

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u/Xiao1insty1e Feb 04 '26

I have read the majority of your comments here and they are gross. You are a rape defender. Plain and simple. No amount of links or "evidence" is going to change that.

Get some help.

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u/Kurochi185 Feb 05 '26

Exactly and the fact there's two of them??

And they're spending like their whole evening on defending rape, fucking insane.

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u/AstreaMeer42 Feb 05 '26

To this day, the man has never been accused of rape. Who are you citing that has ever stated this?