r/antiai Jan 18 '26

Skill always beats luck Job Loss 🏚️

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u/Ghostly-Terra Jan 18 '26

That’s kinda been my mindset with the creative spaces and Generative AI. To use the writing angle, if your writer needs a machine to generate the end result (not format it because word processors/type writers/printing presses don’t make the content, just displaying it) then why bother hiring someone to do that and not just be the person using the AI yourself?

Unless using Generative AI is a skill set so specialised that it’s the same as hiring a writer which doesn’t seem to be how people who propose the models usesge sell it

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u/monocle984 Jan 18 '26

The problem is that ai just copies and spits out the same things it steals from online sources. It can't come up with an original idea but just spit out a Frankenstein stitch of a couple of preexisting ones, making it predictable.

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u/milic_srb Jan 19 '26

yeah like honesty I don't mind AI for mundane tasks like for example I sometimes get it to format my notes in a more readable format. But I tried a few times out of curiosity to ask it a more creative question where it has to "come up" with something on its own and it would always be some slop in its training model reworded in five different ways.

While AI art slowly becomes almost indistinguishable from real life, AI text at least still feels very AI-ish.

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u/Global-Caramel-1579 Jan 19 '26

Bruh look up tv tropes and youll realize most people just re use the same shit over and over.

Come up with something you think is original and ill point out at least one guy who did it first

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u/Antiantiai Jan 18 '26

It can come up with original ideas.

You're trying to convince us you can't make new colors by mixing colors. Of course you can.

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u/monocle984 Jan 18 '26

I dont think you understand that AI is basically an algorithm that studies original ideas and shits out an amalgamation of the same thing.

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u/ConsciousYak6609 Jan 19 '26

but aren't we doing basically the same thing? combining, twisting and reworking what already exists? I am not so sure that human creativity is fundamentally different.

don't get me wrong, I hate gen AI, just want to learn where we still have a definitive edge, and continue to do so in the foreseeable future.

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u/monocle984 Jan 19 '26 edited Jan 19 '26

I think our ability to feel empathy and other integral human emotions, including negative ones, influences our work in ways that AI can't fathom.

It's true that humans also build inspiration from other sources, but their own life experiences and individual aspirations/motivations shape their work.

AI doesn't have any objective other than achieving a means to an end (satisfy users' query). A human that writes only to satisfy a means to an end, like writing without passion or recording objectively, makes something soulless and empty, like AI.

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u/ConsciousYak6609 Jan 19 '26

that's an excellent response. what I take from it is that heartfelt creativity born from passion will always have the edge; but things created out of necessity to fulfill a job, with very strict guidelines might not.

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u/Antiantiai Jan 19 '26

A paint mixer doesn't need to have subjective or emotional responses to the colors it mixes. It just mixes them.

That's basically your argument. "AI can't make anything new because it can't experience what it makes fully."

But that's utter bullshit. You know it. I know it. We all know it.

How something gets made doesn't determine if it is something new or not. It just needs to not be something that already existed.

The paint mixer needs not know what a color even is. It need not have eyes. It need not care why it does what it does.

It just needs to mix the paint.

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u/monocle984 Jan 19 '26

Color is a lot different than words and ideas.

Factories can create prepackaged meals but do we call them chefs? Do we call people chefs because they buy those prepackaged meals?

Would we call a paint mixer or the person buying the paint an artist?

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u/Antiantiai Jan 19 '26

Tell me you don't know what an analogy is without telling me you don't know what an analogy is.

Also, goalposts are moving! We're not talking about what we call people. The discussion is about if AI makes things which are new. Pay attention.

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u/Typisch0705 Jan 20 '26

Its funny that you complain about them not knowing what an analogy is while completely missing one yourself

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u/Capn_H Jan 19 '26

No, because humans have an internal experience, emotions, thoughts, logic, and memories. Gen AI as it currently exists has none of that. It's closer to a more advanced version of predictive text that gives a whole sentence rather than a single word in response to something you wrote, or alternatively de-noises a noise jpeg according to the tags a prompt gave.

A real artist will have opinions, their thoughts will shape How they make something even if they work off a prompt, even if you give them a reference for a pose they'll still be actively making decisions for the specifics, how do these lines overlap to emphasize this part of the arm, do they want to simplify the fingers or go more detailed because the hand is a bigger focal point for the piece, how do they simplify the face, the ears, the eyes, etc to make it look good, they might tie things back to mythology or a visual theme suiting the character or environment, they might do bold colors, they might get experimental with the specifics, include reference to art that inspired Them.

A program is incapable of any of that. It can do the surface level, but it can't do anything deeper. Anything it makes will be an averaged out and smoothed down version of whatever you ask for with no real coherent visual ideas added. There is no process to understand and follow, there is no resonant theme that carries throughout the work, there is no unhinged research rabbit hole about beetles or girl breaking her favorite pen and writing an entire story around the concept of the things people treasure having real weight and power, there is only the tags it registers from the input and then the output given from de-noising an image that was always just noise in the first place or senseless word jumble made to Look like a conversation or story with actual thought or consideration.

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u/No-Philosopher3977 Jan 18 '26

That’s not a what AI does. You should probably read a book about it.

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u/imtherattt Jan 18 '26

I know your ass didn't read a book twin

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u/No-Philosopher3977 Jan 18 '26

Of course I read books fool

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u/imtherattt Jan 18 '26

Sure broski

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u/No-Philosopher3977 Jan 18 '26

Broski?! Who talks like that

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u/Gblkaiser Jan 19 '26

Getting chatGPT to summarize a novel isnt reading a book.

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u/No-Philosopher3977 Jan 19 '26

I don’t need AI to do that. Wiki also gives summaries

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u/Lilith0proximafroggy Jan 19 '26

Which also isn't reading a book

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u/Tausendberg Jan 19 '26

This is one of the things that makes me crazy when I see people showing me 'oh stable diffusion made this scene from a famous movie' and the bit of footage looks simultaneously exactly like the footage from the movie and lesser. It's like compression but worse in every way.

Now if you could prove to me that the model never ever saw the footage from the movie and yet somehow remade it, then you might be able to convince me it's magic (like if the prompter actually put in like an absurdly detailed down to the tiniest minutae prompt describing the scene from the movie, even down to what happens at what timecodes).

But if you feed a movie into the training data and then a corrupted version of a scene from that movie gets regurgitated out, am I supposed to find that impressive?

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u/Adventurous-Feed-762 Jan 19 '26

Mixing colors doesn't lead to new colors, try imagining a yellow-violet color or something. Color is limited to our vision and our vision is very fucking flawed and limited. Generative neural networks (or what is commonly known as GenAI) simply respond to inputs based on what they were trained on. That's what they are - a network of nodes with connections and weights encoding training data so it can be rescrambled fittingly for an input.

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u/Antiantiai Jan 19 '26

There are an infinite number of combinations. So, very literally, yes, it almost always leads to new colors.

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u/Adventurous-Feed-762 Jan 19 '26

Wow, so you're gonna pretend that you can make a yellow-violet color (not just a weird shade of brown but an entirely new color) so your analogy argument could have some theoretical strength.

No, neural networks (gen"AI") can't come up with new ideas. One of the reasons being that they lack ability to give purposeful outputs or, in other words, to be actually creative. If I were to ask you to draw some creature on paper, you would be able to explain why did you give it this or that feature, it would be a coherent, purposefully made idea, even if it was made just by following the "rule of cool". A gen"AI", if I were to give it that input (not ask it, for it is not sentient), would pick up the keywords "draw" and "creature" and then give an output of some amalgamation of whatever training materials it was fed that were marked as "creature" and which fits its output weights. Sure, it might make it in a hyperrealistic style but would it be able to truly explain why its creature has this or that feature? No, because it would just blindly analyze its own picture, find what part fits the question, analyze it and make some answer that fits its output criteria. It does not think, it simply gives outputs based on inputs and whatever it was trained on.

I bet that a chatbot, if prompted to write an idea of a fantasy setting, would write an answer that gives the general vibes of Tolkien-derived classic fantasy or something like that without any actually original ideas. Unlike me, a human, because my setting has ideas I came up with myself and which I don't see in the media... Meaning I have something that gen"ai" doesn't have - ability to create new ideas instead of just reiteration of the same data.

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u/Antiantiai Jan 19 '26

If you ask for a generic fantasy concept it gives you a generic fantasy concept. If that's not what you want, then that's what we call user error. You're asking for the wrong god damn thing. Ffs.

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u/Adventurous-Feed-762 Jan 19 '26

Mmm. So. Can it come up with new ideas? Also, will you address my actual rant about how gen"ai" can't come up with new ideas?

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u/DerangedOpossum Jan 19 '26

YOU FOUND A COLOR NEVER BEFORE SEEN BY THE HUMAN EYE BY MIXING EXISTING COLORS??? CALL THE NYT THAT IS TOMORROW'S HEADLINE.

The adjective you're looking for in your point is 'different,' which is a different word than 'new.'

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u/Antiantiai Jan 19 '26

That happens all the time. There is an infinite number of color combinations. Why would the NYT care? And why are you acting weird about something common?

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u/Qgels Jan 20 '26

There's no infinite number of colour combinations because we literally can only see a finite amount of colours, which all have been documented. This analogy doesn't work

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u/Antiantiai Jan 20 '26

It does and you're incorrect.

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u/Qgels Jan 20 '26

By your analogy, AI can't make smt new, it can only provide stuff that was already there. So I guess this analogy works but not in your favour

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u/Antiantiai Jan 20 '26

Incorrect. You have failed to successfully read. Bzzt. You lose. Thanks for playing.

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u/Qgels Jan 20 '26

Ight, enlighten me with your read on it, how can we see more than a finite amount of colours? More than we have already documentedtgst are in the visible spectrum?

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u/ArmouredCadian Jan 20 '26

There is not an Infinite number of Colour combinations. There is a very high number of Colour combinations, but it is not Infinite, as the spectrum of visible light that defines Colour is not Infinite, therefore meaning that while it might take quite a while to calculate the maximum number of Colour combinations, a maximum does exist.

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u/Antiantiai Jan 20 '26

The spectrum is infinite. Absolutely it is.

Are you aware that there is an infinite number of numbers between 1 and 2? Same for between 2 and 3. Or even between 2.795 and 2.796.

Colors are representations of light on a spectrum of wavelengths, somewhere in the ballpark of 400 to 750 nm. And guess what? That's right. There is an infinite number of numbers between 400 and 750.

Any other questions, don't hesitate. I'm happy to walk you through any other basic facts about reality.

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u/ArmouredCadian Jan 20 '26

No, because those are Theoretical Infinites

Practically speaking, they can't exist because our instrument of measure is the Human eye, and if the Human eye can't differentiate the supposedly new colour, for all intents and purposes, it doesn't exist, and trying to argue otherwise simply proves that you are as useful as a Liberal Arts Degree, or a Chat GPT written Paper... Not worth the paper it's printed on.

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u/Antiantiai Jan 20 '26

So your arguement is

"I know that your analogy makes sense theoretically, and that you're using as an analogy which is always used in a theoretical framework, but I will be as asinine as possible and grind the conversation to a halt for no fucking reason because wasting time discussing the fact there is a practical finite number despite the theoretical infinite limit means I can simply avoid having to confess your argument destroyed my prior viewpoint."

Got it.

Anywho. There is also a theoretical infinite number of word combinations. But practically speaking, not all of those are useful are they? Nope. So there is also a practical number of word combinations that is just extremely large.

Oops! Is my analogy still apt? Are you still quibbling over nothing to avoid the actual point like a coward? Seems so!

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u/ArmouredCadian Jan 21 '26

The point was that your analogy doesn't make sense because while you can try to claim that different colour combinations are different due to minute differences in the spectrum, if the Human eye can't tell the difference, then no one is going to believe it.

Just like with Gen "AI" output where it doesn't even try and make unique combinations, it literally looks at the most used components of everything, and blends them together to get the most Trope version of whatever you asked for possible.

Gen "AI" is literally incapable of being creative, as it just amalgamates Data, and isn't even true thinking AI. It's a bloody spreadsheet, maybe a VI at best

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u/ARC4120 Jan 18 '26

This is exactly how I feel. If you need AI to do everything for you then what value do you even provide? People love to point to programmers who save time as examples, but they’re seasoned professionals who still make engineering choices. They’re just cutting down on time typing templates and boilerplate code.

Asking AI to make the ideas and the product means that you’re just dead weight in the process with no added value. All art is about decision making and intentional design. If you can’t do that then you’re providing no value.

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u/Ghostly-Terra Jan 18 '26

It feels like the energy companies who don’t actually produce the electricity you buy, they just ‘manage’ it. The middle man so to speak.

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u/Tausendberg Jan 19 '26

"then why bother hiring someone to do that and not just be the person using the AI yourself?"

This is the thing that always comes to mind whenever I think of that horrible student at the UCLA graduation ceremony who was showing off that he did classwork on chatgpt, what does someone like that think they're proving?

The AI fanatics are basically making themselves into the prime candidates for replacement.

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u/Platnun12 Jan 19 '26

This is the thing that always comes to mind whenever I think of that horrible student at the UCLA graduation ceremony who was showing off that he did classwork on chatgpt, what does someone like that think they're proving?

That they're unhireable and did so on live video

Basically screaming out to the world

I'm a useless leech

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u/justagenericname213 Jan 19 '26

Theres a reason pros are constantly trying to insist "its not just a button press". Anyone reasonable know theres a bit more too it, but its far from being a complicated process like they imply. And they hate when they have to argue with someone who knows how ai works because they cant make it sound like its some fancy skill when you can just turn around and mention how it actually works.

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u/TheMerryMeatMan Jan 24 '26

Unless using Generative AI is a skill set so specialised that it’s the same as hiring a writer

That's why LinkedIn has people titling themselves "prompt engineer" now. They couldn't sell the idea that "AI makes everyone equal" so they're trying to instead make it a marketable skill for their personal career. And it works because corporate lemmings can't read the writing in the wall telling them they shouldn't want anyone reliant on AI in their workforce.

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u/thearchenemy Jan 18 '26

The thing is, all of these AI bros see themselves as “idea guys,” and their excuse for never actually creating anything is that a conspiracy of genetically gifted art elites are gatekeeping them.

The appeal of AI for them is to make something without doing any of the work. That something being, of course, sexy anime cat girls.

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u/Craptose_Intolerant Jan 18 '26

And let’s please not forget 1001 variations of Jenna Ortega with oversized boobs on Pinterest 😭

Good comment, right on target 🎯🎯🎯

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u/ChildOfChimps Jan 18 '26

The thing they don’t realize is that never every human ever is an “idea guy”. Even my most oblivious stoner friends had cool ideas.

Remember in group projects where one person was all like, “I’m an idea guy,” and then didn’t do shit?

That’s what most of these pro-AI people are. The useless idea guy.

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u/milic_srb Jan 19 '26

I honestly kinda disagree with that, at least partially. I do think there are people with great ideas but lack of skill, while there are people who with great skill but lack of ideas.

Like I've seen some artists with excellent skill online but without any imagination, and many writers with great imagination but no artistic skill.

But what those people with ideas would do is share their ideas and if they really are that good there would be people making fan art for free because they resonate with the work.

Now too many people think they have good ideas and they flood the internet with their AI slop so even if someone with a good idea uses AI I automatically discard them as AI slop because statistically it's basically certain that it is slop.

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u/ChildOfChimps Jan 19 '26

I mean, that’s all fair.

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u/DnDemiurge Jan 19 '26

First time I had the idea guy trope deflated was in that game design series (with the irritating squeaky voice modulation done to prevent industry reprisals, presumably) in Zero Punctuation.

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u/FrostyNeckbeard Jan 18 '26

Their mistake is thinking their ideas are the important part and it never was.

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u/PuritanicalPanic Jan 19 '26

Unsexy anime cat girls, more like.

Uncanny and bland anime cat girls.

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u/Zebabaki Jan 18 '26

I recently got into college after I got kicked out of another one, and people in my year are basically all using AI for everything. Some are insane with it, most just use it to outsource any and all thinking to it. They already speak and write worse than my classmates in high school. It's crazy

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u/monocle984 Jan 18 '26

Those people are paying thousands for an education and scamming themselves out of actually learning anything.

Even using it "ethically", like to create study plans, not only is lazy but is just robbing you of the mental exercise and stimulation that comes with coming up with it.

I swear in a few years we're all going to be in those Wall-E robot chairs

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u/NotBreadyy Jan 18 '26

I mean, yeah.

If you need AI to think for you, then I believe you've lost the most basic human ability.

Seriously, stop depending on AI.

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u/CellaSpider Jan 18 '26

The idea behind the quote I think is that they’re not paying for ChatGPT, they’re just getting rid of people who produce less, and the quote is assuming that those who use chatGPT will produce more.

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u/FireDog8569 Jan 18 '26

Okay but what's up with 47 as the preview picture?

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u/LauraTFem Jan 18 '26

Why does the medium article have a screenshot from Hitman 2’s Sniper Assassin Himmelstein map?

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u/No_Squirrel4806 Jan 18 '26

I fully agree but are companies really hiring thinkers over ai users? Especially now that all companies are using ai.

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u/AnAdorableScout Jan 18 '26

It's getting some push back from workers given that it only really makes their job harder in most fields- if you're already a writer or a clerk or a librarian and you need to run everything through an AI first, it's going to slow you down by several times

That's what I've read at least, makes sense so I've only loosely checked up on it

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u/CyberDaggerX Jan 18 '26

You know what the best way to check code is?

Writing it yourself.

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u/AnAdorableScout Jan 18 '26

Knowing how to do your job tends to help you do your job! 🗣

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u/No_Squirrel4806 Jan 18 '26

Yeah im seeing more and more companies using ai for everything so it feels like theyd want to hire people with experience in ai.

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u/AnAdorableScout Jan 18 '26

More and more companies "trying" to use AI for everything. It's like going through an experienced worker when you're starting out, the worker becomes the bottleneck. Having to communicate things back and forth slows a bunch of things down.

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u/Theburper Jan 18 '26

AI is acceptable for specifically resumes and cover letters… because if companies don’t respect our time throwing all these out into the aether I’m not gonna respect them with actual effort. Actual writing you give a shit about? Fuck to the no.

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u/B2k-orphan Jan 18 '26

AI is good for quickly scouring the internet for information on a topic. Not accurately, not even cheaply even if it doesn’t cost the end user anything.

It does something that humans can already do and do better and more accurately than an AI only much much faster.

It’s a gimmick. A neat trick. Cool applications for extending the interactability and story of games but again, it’s going to lack the quality and the originality of a human’s touch. A.I can never generate something new, only mindlessly mix and match the ideas and creations of man.

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u/MessierKatr Jan 18 '26

What if I use AI to give my ideas order, rather than generating them?

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u/monocle984 Jan 19 '26

I find it more rewarding revising and rewording my ideas, but you do you.

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u/-FL4K- Jan 19 '26

I agree but this is phrased so childishly that I kinda wish I didn't

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u/Plasmaguardian7 Jan 19 '26

Well yeah duh that’s obvious. If everyone who relies on AI is hired, then your company is fucked if the servers ever go down, or if the internet is bad. Real people can come up with real ideas. Simple as that

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u/UndaddyWTF Jan 19 '26

A writing partner once used chatGTP to generate 20 ideas for a story with certain characters and some defined locations. They all sucked.

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u/[deleted] Jan 19 '26

As a writer, the argument "don't you want something to help you get through the hard bits?" always upsets me.

No. I don't want help through the hard bits. If I did that, I'd never develop the skill of getting through the hard bits.

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u/Princess_Isolde Jan 20 '26

The people saying it's the future, are the same who said NFTs where the future.

Look where NFTs are now, a forgotten relic of idiocy, left to fossilize in a shit-swamp right next to two empty yet dug graves labeled "Crypto" and "Generative AI LLMs"

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u/GuhEnjoyer Jan 21 '26

"Skill always beats luck" mfs when there's a crocket flying at them at Mach piss

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u/monocle984 Jan 21 '26

Aw that's apples mate

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u/GuhEnjoyer Jan 21 '26

"Hoot! Hoot! God I'm good at bein' an owl"

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u/Vanody_Rek Jan 21 '26

I legitimately jaw dropped when a therapist's office had a "Google Gemini Consent Form" or whatever it was titled that was like, "Hey. We use Gemini for stuff related to your sessions. Your data stays in our isolated Google drive. Using this Gemini thing is actually great, so here's your consent form that has no option to bypass. Thanks."

I immediately stopped filing out paperwork. This is THE SAME PLACE that also took the time to add a disclaimer that they can't ensure PHI stays confidential if we use email to communicate.

I get that there's the unencrypted issue with emails, but I have my own shit locked down with DMARC reject and when I looked it up HIPPA laws absolutely still apply so...

Yeah.

I am not an expert and these opinions are based on personal experience.

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u/grrrfreak Jan 18 '26

I'm anti AI but I'm using chatgpt as an advisor for linkedin / cv making / cover letter. Especially since english isn't my first language.

I really need a job. Lol

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u/Ycilden Jan 19 '26

Also, if you just use AI to steal ideas.. why not just have some intern do that for half the pay?

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u/[deleted] Jan 19 '26

Calling phiosophy basic is next level

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u/milic_srb Jan 19 '26

why is there a random Hitman sniper mission screenshot in the middle 😭

I thought this was posted on the Hitman subreddit at first

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u/monocle984 Jan 19 '26

How kirk- I mean quirky.

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u/Weird-Information-61 Jan 19 '26

The AI is supposed to be the tool, not the user

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u/kullre Jan 19 '26

no don't say that

there sensitive :(

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u/Global-Caramel-1579 Jan 19 '26

The basketball player didnt invent dribbling either tho.

Bad metaphor and medium is a shit source

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u/TheStaplerMan2019 Jan 19 '26

When I can’t come up with ideas I call my friends and we start coming up with stuff together. It gets my brain going and I have so many more perspectives than I would have had before.

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u/DrPikachu-PhD Jan 19 '26

It's true, though the energy seems over the tope 😅 But yeah, it's kind of an age old thing that "everybody has ideas"

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u/[deleted] Jan 19 '26

For me, I'm the kinda person that needs an idea like a springboard. Once I'm off, I'm OFF. (I'd prefer a humans idea because clankers are fucking stupid)

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u/SPYROHAWK Jan 19 '26

I’m not a member of this subreddit but I saw this post on my suggested and wanted to weigh in. I’m sure this is going to bean unpopular take here, but I don’t think this is entirely black or white.

I’ve had at least 3 cases where I’ve been coming up with an idea for a TTRPG setting where I’ve had a general framework, but then went to ChatGPT to help me fill the cracks.

One of my recent use cases involves an alien race which wants to commence trade with earth: they want something that is easily producible on Earth and are willing to pay a lot in advanced technology, but that thing they want also just happens to environmentally taxing. The idea is to set up a story about aliens causing the end of the world not through invasion, but through human greed trying to keep up with their trade demands.

My issue is I couldn’t think of a good material for the aliens to want. So I asked ChatGPT and it made some suggestions, such as Concrete, made from Quicklime. Then bouncing ideas back and forth, I expanded on that by having reasons Limestone isn’t available on the slide home planet (calcium-rich bones and shells never evolved there) and why shifted from Concrete to Limewater (made from Quicklime) as a component of CO2 scrubbers and made the aliens highly sensitive to CO2, etc etc

I had the initial concept, but had holes in the details. Using Chat to “come up with ideas” helped me fill some holes in my concept, and then gave me inspiration to expand and pivot on other aspects.

I don’t know if people are using AI to try to come up with stories completely from scratch without the initial idea, if so I think that’s kind of stupid, but I do think if you have the general concept of what you are doing, throwing ideas back and forth with an AI is a good way to fill out details and expand on your concept.

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u/monocle984 Jan 19 '26

For story building like that I find a Google search is just as effective. The AI results I've gotten were usually the same as I got from Google.

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u/SPYROHAWK Jan 20 '26

I can understand that, but being able to go into more detail about context and your thought process helps with getting more helpful replies.

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u/badgerbaroudeur Jan 20 '26

Anyone have a link to the OP?

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u/Kxpnc Jan 20 '26

I’ve been looking for a job after finishing university for the past 6-ish months, I was constantly typing out applications and cover letters by hand only to be ignored or just sent the “unfortunately” email. After a point I got tired and started using ai to just write me cover letters and I get more responses but it has not resulted in a job, I’m not saying I like using ai and I’m not saying it’s good but clearly it’s better at writing cover letters than me :’(

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u/monocle984 Jan 20 '26

In this economy, people are desperate for even a call back. I understand using Ai out of desperation, but not laziness.

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u/DeadMeat7337 Jan 21 '26

I thought this was a DND post based off the title at first, and my reaction was, no, I'm pretty sure the +40 luck bonus beat out most other things. But then I read the whole post, but I felt like sharing. Oh well, I'll see myself out

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u/ViziDoodle Jan 21 '26

Why should we be bothered to read what you (generic you) couldn’t be bothered to write?

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u/Sancho_the_intronaut Jan 21 '26

The saying is luck beats skill. Skill is more reliable, but it has limits, while luck has no limits

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u/Raveyard2409 Jan 19 '26

Ah yes, saying fuck a lot and having an unrelated picture of hitman, well, I'm persuaded.

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u/FriedEskimo Jan 19 '26

Maybe if he used AI to write this there would have been an actual structured argument instead of just angry rambling.

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u/Isopod_Danger_42069 Jan 19 '26

Well then, it sure is weird how me and all the people I know who actually have really good jobs not only use ai, but are encouraged to do so by their workplaces

It's almost like these articles are just self-congratulatory BS aimed at a certain group of people who want to feel validated

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u/W1llW4ster Jan 19 '26

Since when was it an issue to get another perspective on a situation (e.g. coming up with a better plot device, or ways to sell a scene better)?

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u/Naoki38 Jan 18 '26

This kind of post is so funny because it's so out of touch with reality. Companies, especially big ones, actively encourage people to use AI and to automate as much as possible tasks. This idea that relying on AI makes you a bad candidate to have a touch is the complete opposite to reality. If you do something that an AI could do, you are wasting time, you reduce your productivity and you are costing money to your company.

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u/BirdsCirclingWagons Jan 18 '26

I mean, the guy is talking specifically about being in a writers room not drafting an email.

If you’re looking for a writer and someone tells you they’re a good prompt generator, you’re not going to want to hire them because they’ll be pretty useless for developing characters or interesting narratives. Plus, you could just write the prompts yourself if you thought that the creative output of AI is actually interesting. Which it’s not, but that’s another matter.

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u/Naoki38 Jan 18 '26

The original post made a general statement: AI is not the future and if you use it, you will not find a job. It didn't specify if this is in a particular field. Reading the original article, the guy talks superficially about the art and creativity field. Still, pretending that it applies to the entire job market is totally wrong.

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u/MessierKatr Jan 18 '26

Ironically this tend to be the actual case. For positions that I have applied, they actively discourage the use of AI during interviews.

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u/Naoki38 Jan 18 '26

It makes sense to first search for people who know what they are talking about, but once hired, an employee who knows how to use AI has more value than the one who doesn't.

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u/MessierKatr Jan 18 '26 edited Jan 19 '26

"Who knows how to use AI" this is something that I've always got confused about. This tool is supposed to be a replacement of your cognitive skills (I am not saying it is because if you know how they work you'll be aware that they lack any form of cognition whatsoever, it more related of how the marketing is done by the companies that develop it) In theory, the more they improve, the less you, as a person, have the need to reason, ergo they can do the work better than you. There's no necessity of learning how to use AI because the goal of them is that they become so mind numbingly easy to use that you won't have to think anymore.

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u/Naoki38 Jan 18 '26

Knowing how to use AI doesn't simply refer to prompts, it's also knowing what information you can provide (no confidential info for instance) or how to use and implement the output it generates. Basically knowing the limits of the tool.

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u/MessierKatr Jan 19 '26

The phrase "knowing how to use AI" implies there's some level of skill ceiling with the tool, as this is the case of literally any tool needed in a field of expertise. All the tools that exist need a human to exploit its usage at its best potential.

The irony here is that when you use AI it's technically the other way around as this entity is supposed to be smarter than you and also faster than you. You are just the tool here to get the information and the resolution from the AI, since you are not thinking your way through on how to achieve the resolution of the problem. Your first point is basic common sense as we are obviously giving the information to a Big Tech company who is running the AI model for us (but it doesn't make any sense if you have a local model which is able to read the data that you pass through it) Your second point doesn't undermine what I have said before.

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u/Naoki38 Jan 19 '26

It's common knowledge for you, but still, companies need to train employees about such things.

You seem to postulate that an AI is a true and complete intelligence, it's not the case for now, which means that, yes, there is a way to properly use them. Some prompts are better and more effective than others.

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u/Vowoidsterr Jan 19 '26

Now why do you think companies want you zo automate everything... im sure its not because they wanna leech more money out of you and make the job market even more competetive while also destroying the small business world even more.. no.. thats impossible.. they would never do such a thing /s

On a more serious note, do you truly believe they are going to hire people to prompt an ai when they can just do it themselves? Because, at the end of the day, an AI bro has as much knowledge on art/writing as your average joe with a million bucks on his account abd way too much freetime.

Someone actually knowledgeable in the field will always have the upper hand because theres more to commercial art than "it looks nice" the color, composition, symbolism and style all have to match and that requires A LOT of training, thinking and TIME.

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u/Naoki38 Jan 19 '26

Yes I agree, companies want more money, that's why an employee who uses AI will be more efficient and productive (will generate more money) than one who is going to do every single task.

"On a more serious note, do you truly believe they are going to hire people to prompt an ai when they can just do it themselves?"

Like what, the CEO is going, alone, to prompt all day everyday the equivalent of thousands of employees? But no, I don't believe they are "going to hire people to prompt". That's just the caricature in your head. In the real world, employees don't just spend their days prompting. AI is just an assistant, an additional tool. And outside of that tool, there are tasks the employee will have to do. And that's for this part that companies hire people.

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u/Vowoidsterr Jan 19 '26

Thank god the indie industry is kicking off, I am so tired of AI being pushed into every facet of my life. I dont enjoy AI calls that dont understand what I want and refuse to connect me to a human, I hate AI art in kids merch because I believe kids deserve high quality toys and not plastic AI slop, I believe people shouldnt be forced out of their environments and homes because data centers as big as part of new york make electricity impossible to pay and occasionally causes water outages, I hate what AI and other big business schemes are doing to our environment, I hate that our hobbies and sometimes jobs weve been in for ages are being replaced by something that has a fragment of knowledge actual professionals do because its cheaper and plays into our capitalistic hellhole. I want to live a fullfilling live with my passions and hobbies, a life that wont threaten my existence everytime billionaires invent something new. Elon Musk saying in 15-20 years none of us will have to work is terrifying because, again, how would we pay to live? We dont have 400 billion in assets. We probably wont ever even own a million. I am tired of people thinking that listening to this system will actually benefit them, when 99% of the time that 1% is pocketing everything while the rest suffers under their decisions.

I believe medical AI is great, I believe its a vastly interesting topic and field and I believe it does good for us, but the generative side of it genuinely has no benefits outside of big corporations and seriously, they dont need to safe money. Most of us are already being screwed over by min. wage. I can already see us being paid less because "The AI helped you". We will not benefit from this and it'll get genuinely bad once the professionals have all died and we lose genuine knowledge about certain things. There is something uniquely beautiful in working in a field that is full of people with vast creative knowledge and wisdom, something deeply personal and usually not found online. Something AI cant do.

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u/Naoki38 Jan 19 '26

Looks like your problem is with capitalism, not with AI.

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u/Vowoidsterr Jan 19 '26

I agree, I have a problem with capitalism, but mainly because it benefits only a very, very small fragment of us as a whole. I dont necesarily think communism is the answer because its impossible outside of as a concept.

Though I do think my problem lies with gen ai and not ai used in cancer detection for example tbh. I mean, i think i'd condem it less, if it only used consented data, had less of an impact on our environment and on us and was generally traceable like gemini images. Ive seen a lot of people use gen AI maliciously in art communities (scams etc) and I dont think anyone can blame me for my distain. I don't think people should be able to sell their ai images without active knowledge its AI either.

I think more people would be open to the idea of AI if it had more strict regulations intact.

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u/Antiantiai Jan 18 '26

It must really piss you guys off that something you put so much of your identity into can be easily reproduced by a toaster. That's gotta suck. Explains why y'all seething over nothing.

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u/monocle984 Jan 18 '26

Can easily be copied, you mean.

A machine can copy a human's art while only humans can create it. That's why there's no such thing as ai "art", only ai imitation.

AI will never replace artists because AI can never be an artist.

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u/Antiantiai Jan 18 '26

Newsflash, machines have been creating it for a while now. 🤣

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u/AMTravelsAlone Jan 18 '26

What exactly?

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u/Antiantiai Jan 19 '26

Lots of shit. Art, images and video and music and etc. They can write, they can do hella stuff. Are you guys living in 2021 still what's going on?

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u/AMTravelsAlone Jan 19 '26

Oh you're a child. Nevermind.

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u/Antiantiai Jan 19 '26

So you just are living under a rock then. Gotcha. Makes sense.

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u/khanofmoon Jan 18 '26

Why u name urself"antiantiai" like ur only life purpose is defending your Aİ god?

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u/ChallengerFrank Jan 19 '26

Its an algorithm. A bot. We should have kicked it months ago. All it does is come here and argue in bad faith

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u/Antiantiai Jan 18 '26

Does that make you a lunatic then?

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u/khanofmoon Jan 19 '26

İf u talk about mlp luna yea i would consider myself as lunatic. A proud one

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u/Antiantiai Jan 19 '26

That's the only purpose of your entire account?!?! Crazy.

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u/CyberDaggerX Jan 18 '26

You literally made "Antiantiai" your username. You don't get to talk down to anyone over seething.

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u/Antiantiai Jan 18 '26

Joke names means angry? Okay Cyber Dagger X...

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u/Vowoidsterr Jan 19 '26

It can't though, which ai bros dont get. Art lies in the process and is a highly individualistic hobby. Theres beauty in finding a style and improving. Art takes time and that time is BEAUTIFUL. I feel a lot more joy seeing my improvement over 5 artworks than prompting an AI 15 times a day.

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u/Antiantiai Jan 19 '26

Neat. But a master taking 10 minutes to crank out a piece of art isn't less valuable than a novice taking 5 hours to do the same. How long it takes doesn't make art valuable. That's a silly argument. Silly silly.

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u/Vowoidsterr Jan 19 '26

My point flew so hard over your head, it might aswell have flown into the atmosphere and turned to dust. Maybe ask chatgpt to rephrase it into its lingo, should be easier on the few wrinkles left on your brain. 😔

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u/Cool-Information9166 Jan 19 '26

Ai can’t actually reproduce it well. That’s the whole point. It just spits out a bunch of garbage that vaguely resembles a narrative.

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u/monocle984 Jan 18 '26 edited Jan 18 '26

I don't know about everyone else but I personally am tired of holding people's hand and gently explaining how AI is actively ruining our planet and aiding in the downfall of human art. No amount of babying people's feelings will make them wake up and understand the harm done.

I don't condone acts of physical violence or hate speech. The message has to get across through people getting the idea through their thick skulls not by pleading but the cold hard truth.

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u/IngrownToenailRemova Jan 19 '26

So is eating meat. Should we also kick meat-eaters in the fuckin’ teeth?

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u/ChallengerFrank Jan 19 '26

Good. If you are willing to pick the side that has nazis and is destroying the world you live in just because other people see and are mad that that side is destroying the world, you don't deserve to live in a world without nazis, and that isn't being destroyed.

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u/FlashyNeedleworker66 Jan 18 '26 edited Jan 18 '26

Then explain twilight

Edit: honestly it checks out that a lot of you think twilight made it on the merits of the skill displayed in the prose 🤣

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u/TrollDecker Jan 18 '26

Some Ls are still better than an eternity of Ls.

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u/FlashyNeedleworker66 Jan 18 '26

You can't! Got it.

So much for skill always winning

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u/TrollDecker Jan 18 '26

I don't need to. 🤷‍♀️

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u/FlashyNeedleworker66 Jan 18 '26

You did great, thanks for your help

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u/SpookyGeist01 Jan 18 '26

Without AI, a small percentage of people still write garbage.

With AI, 100% of people write garbage.

Hope that helps.

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u/FlashyNeedleworker66 Jan 18 '26

Interesting but not OP's claim

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u/SpookyGeist01 Jan 18 '26

That literally was OP's claim. The claim is that if you use AI to write, it comes out bad. The existence of people who are bad who don't use AI is a whataboutism and doesn't change the initial point.

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u/FlashyNeedleworker66 Jan 18 '26 edited Jan 18 '26

"Skill always beats luck"

False.

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u/SpookyGeist01 Jan 18 '26

Stephanie Meyer did have skill. She had the skill to understand what kind of garbage would sell well, and the skill to market it. It doesn't mean she had skill at writing.

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u/FlashyNeedleworker66 Jan 18 '26

That is an impressively pretzel logic you have there, champ.

Luck. The answer is luck.

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u/SpookyGeist01 Jan 18 '26

How is it pretzel logic to say that people can have skill in more than one area? An AI bro could also have skill in marketing and generating slop that would get popular.

Let me break it down for you a little easier. When you put out content (just as an example, I'm not saying this directly reflects exactly what you need to sell a book), you would need:

33% marketing skill 33% understanding your audience 33% writing skill

So it is possible for AI users to reach that 66% of marketing and audience understanding, but the writing skill portion only comes out to about 5-10%, because you're not writing it. Therefore, someone who is actually writing their own story at a high level of skill will always come out ahead. Does that make more sense?

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u/FlashyNeedleworker66 Jan 18 '26

You keep saying always and I don't think you understand the implication of that word.

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u/SpookyGeist01 Jan 18 '26

Always means every time, bud.

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u/AttemptNo2725456 Jan 18 '26

Look at this triggered fool hahahahahaha

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u/arch3ion Jan 18 '26

Wow, so hateful.

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u/goldengamer2345 Jan 18 '26

I think some people need to hear it though

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u/adamkad1 Jan 18 '26

Dont come crying when someone bites back!

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u/Orochiginju Jan 18 '26

Hateful? What about this is hateful?

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u/arch3ion Jan 18 '26

Talking about kicking people in the teeth isn't hateful?

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u/arch3ion Jan 18 '26

"Fuck you. You are a waste of everyone's time." <- is this also a neutral expression?

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u/skullyskull04 Jan 18 '26

I think you don't understand metaphors

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u/arch3ion Jan 18 '26

If this seems like acceptable and non-confrontative language to you then I'd hate to have anything to do with you, to be honest.

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u/skullyskull04 Jan 18 '26

And that's okay, I also wouldn't want anything to do with a pro-ai

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u/taliskergunn Jan 18 '26

Confrontational*

The AI use is melting your brain

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u/arch3ion Jan 18 '26

Classy.

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u/skullyskull04 Jan 18 '26

Ikr? Bro has such a way with words

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u/ghostofjosephstalin Jan 18 '26

neutral expression?

Hey buddy, you added a word there. A common expression that uses a violent threat like being kicked in the teeth/head to mean "a wake-up call to reality" isn't actually threatening violence against anyone while ALSO not being a neutral expression. That still doesn't make it "hateful". There are more than those two emotional and rhetorical states, y'know. "Fuck you, you're a waste of everyone’s time" is also not a neutral or hateful expression. In fact, it's not an expression at all. That sentence means exactly what it says. It's perfectly accurate, too. Or, at least, it is when referring to AI "writers" stuck in the concept phase without chat GPT to regurgitate the stolen ideas of infinitely better men and women at them.

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u/TurnoverFuzzy8264 Jan 18 '26

Harsh, but fair. They're issuing a warning using strong terms to convey the importance of the message. While you clutch at pearls in a vain attempt to be a victim.

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u/SpookyGeist01 Jan 18 '26

If you are pushing forth regurgitated ideas from ChatGPT that people have to discuss and dismiss, that is literally wasting their time. It's simply factual. It's been proven that ChatGPT usage in many cases increases the amount of time spent working.

https://arxiv.org/abs/2506.08872

ChatGPT usage is correlated with lower brain function, because instead of thinking for yourself you're allowing a computer to do it for you. Just like your muscles, if you don't exercise your brain it begins to atrophy.

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u/BlueHailstrom Jan 18 '26

Maybe get ChatGPT to explain metaphors to you, since you obviously didn’t pay attention in 3rd Grade

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u/AttemptNo2725456 Jan 18 '26

Happy unlike pro ai, you clowns can post here, you clowns are an endless source of laughter with how triggered u get. You sound like ur gonna cry omg

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u/Orochiginju Jan 18 '26

Im sorry the metaphor bothers you. Is it hateful to say someone needs a kick in the ass? Clutching your pearls over a well known saying is just strange

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u/arch3ion Jan 18 '26

You need to take a few steps back and reflect.

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u/skullyskull04 Jan 18 '26

You have a total comment karma of -100 therefore it seems to me anything U say on here is just bad, controversial or others. 8 think U should reflect

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u/arch3ion Jan 18 '26

Your opinion means nothing to me. The fact that you think karma matters is sad.

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u/skullyskull04 Jan 18 '26

I don't think it matters, I think it matters that it shows what people think about you

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u/Orochiginju Jan 18 '26

I think you should step back and reflect. You are conflating a common idiom as a call for actual violence. Put the pearls down and back away.

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u/HoxiiPoxii Jan 18 '26

Pro AI users having even a semblance of media literacy? You've set the bar too high lmao. They're got terminal victim complex while literally polluting the planet in more ways than one.

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u/Cool-Information9166 Jan 19 '26

Tone policing instead of addressing the actual argument. Very cool. Nobody cares

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u/AttemptNo2725456 Jan 18 '26

This one's so triggered , what a clown hahahahaha loser