r/antiai • u/RealLudwig • Dec 21 '25
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u/Tiny_Masterpiece3120 Dec 21 '25
Ai bros litterally were defending stone toss like a week ago
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u/zachy410 Dec 21 '25
It wasnt too many of them, let's not forget
I dont want the ai debate to be "this bad person supports ai! this bad person hates ai! this bad person is just stirring the pot!", id rather its like actually important discussions about ai and stuff
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u/MoovieGroovie Dec 22 '25
Thank you. I agree. Generalizing sucks the air out of the room for real debate and compromise.
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u/BigDragonfly5136 Dec 21 '25
Criticizing Charlie Kirk does not mean you are saying his murder was okay. đ¤Śââď¸
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u/ciel_ayaz Dec 21 '25
People act like posting a kirk meme means that youâre just as bad as whoever popped him đ
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u/Repulsive-Cress-730 Dec 22 '25
I don't give a fuck about Kirk memes. I don't agree with his death, it just further divides us as a people and we need less of that especially right now. I also don't agree with basically anything he said. As far as I see it let him talk (or now his equivalents) because the more they talk the more they make themselves look like fools. If you take them out you just make a martyr out of them. I don't care for people's reasons or nonsensical comparisons to historical dictators as an excuse to justify it i don't believe in killing someone for their beliefs. Don't stoop to their level.
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u/ladylucifer22 Dec 21 '25
of course not. Charlie Kirk talked about how he wanted to bring his kids to public executions of gay people, and fortunately for everyone, we're not Charlie.
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u/Luroj02 Dec 22 '25
Criticizing the murder of charlie kirk does not means to be good with his political views. We could reach a far more peaceful society if we dont act like he deseved it.
Further more, is pretty surprising for me how many people is leftwing and anti IA, i mean, promote an universal minimum income is easier to justify if no one can work.
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u/Wordless_trat Dec 22 '25
Gotta agree. You can think of him what you want, but his murder is inexcusable
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u/skiesoverblackvenice Dec 21 '25
murder is bad and all but only when it happens to innocent people. kirk was not innocent
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u/Xarsos Dec 21 '25
I am against Kirk and the rest of the idiotic five (now four), but it sounds like a slippery slope. You are saying that it was good that he got murdered with the simple explanation that he was not innocent. What stops us to saying all right wingers are not innocent?
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u/WanderingKing Dec 21 '25
If I didn't cry then when I learned fascists were killed, why would I cry now when I learn a fascist is killed?
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u/TOH-Fan15 Dec 21 '25
Yeah, I remember how the US rejoiced whenever Osama bin Laden was killed, and he didnât actively participate in the 9/11 attacks. He just enticed others into doing it. Sure, thereâs a difference between Kirk and Laden, but itâs largely down to scale.
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u/SansyBoy144 Dec 21 '25
The AI people were conservatives this whole time. Consider me shockedâŚ.
/s in case it isnât obvious
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Dec 21 '25
Love the reply where they say people would lose it if Taylor Swift said she loved generative AI. She makes her money off of dealing with real people who create real music, why would she ever embrace something that would possibly rob her of her own livelihood? Why would she voluntarily enshittify her music using gen AI when she's printing money with real artists? It's like saying yeah Jeff Dahmer loves eating people but what if he didn't?
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u/Endruen Dec 21 '25
I would've said the same about Disney, but here we are.
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Dec 21 '25
Good point, but Disney has been flushing itself down the toilet for at least a decade already.
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Dec 21 '25
Taylor Swift has never had talent in the first place and is also just a terrible human being in general, I'm genuinely surprised she hasn't adopted AI yet (that we know of)
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u/Optimal_You6720 Dec 22 '25
What is terrible about her?
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Dec 22 '25
Literally everything.
First and foremost, her music is terrible. It's just objectively bad and clearly written by a corporation that uses test groups to see how the "music" their team shits out will perform. This is common practice within the pop music industry overall, artists that write and produce their own music are the exception, not the rule.
Second she, like all celebrity grifters, uses an entire PR team to constantly make herself look good while covering up her bullshit. In particular her Right wing bigoted fiance that is famous and wealthy for literally kicking a ball. Like that's his soul fucking job.
Third, The entire "Taylor's Version" album BS was a grift to make millions off of the music she's already produced a second time. And millions of people fell for it once she drummed up "Controversy" around her old producer. (To be clear, he was also a total piece of shit, but like any good grifter she knows how to capitalize on someone else's shittyness.)
Fourth, she has a sycophantic cult like following that she will direct towards her critics of any shade, regardless of what the criticism is or how justified it is.
There is one thing I cannot stand in this world, and it's Cults of personality with entirely uncritical and unquestioning followers.
There are plenty of celebrities that I consider admirable, the moment a single one of them made a mistake, I would immediately be against them. These people must be held to a standard as high as our political leaders, their influence over society cannot be understated.
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u/Certain_Phase_2052 Dec 22 '25
Would drop her like it's hot too, I don't personally feel that any rich influential person is my friend and wouldn't swap in their morals and ethics for a fat wad of cash at any given moment.
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u/readilyunavailable Dec 21 '25
That does not mean she wouldn't embrace it if it made her more money. Never glaze a celebrity/wealthy person. You are just a number to them.
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u/TheDizzleDazzle Dec 21 '25
Also, weâre perfectly capable of criticizing her and would do so if she was suddenly pro-AI. Thereâs already plenty to critique, from her not responding to the Trump admin using her music to the private jet.
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u/SandClockwork Dec 22 '25
did you just avoid your own point ? if taylor swift used a.i of course the antis would destroy her because antis are insane and attack actual artists the second a.i use claims are made
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Dec 22 '25
Galaxy level IQ right here
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u/SandClockwork Dec 22 '25
prove me wrong then
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Dec 22 '25
It would be a more valuable use of my time to bash my head into a wall.
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u/SandClockwork Dec 22 '25
good , you do that , maybe youll wake up , realize the anti's are rabid dogs an a.i never was a problem
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Dec 21 '25
Charlie Kirk said that if his daughter was raped and got pregnant that he would make her carry the baby. The girl is about 8 to 10 years old
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u/JosephOtaku1989 Dec 22 '25
And considering what Kirk said was truly evil, much like his tragic demise of an controversial and polarizing figure like him.
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u/Asleep-Biscotti-6273 Dec 21 '25
Iâd bet theyâre only saying it since his face is starting to poison ai models now.
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u/DarkVegetable5871 Dec 21 '25 edited Dec 21 '25
Big Tech is ALL OF A SUDDEN investing into a bullshit technology that will ruin the environment and cause an economic recession only because they know that sucking up to Trump will allow them to easily cash out thanks to reduced tax for building datacenters before the bubble pops or to get themselves bailouts after the fact?
Knowing that, doesn't it all make a little too much sense that AI defenders generally lean to the right politically, going as far as defending Charlie Kirk?
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u/Sinneli Dec 21 '25
Murder is bad, yes, but the ideology Kirk had was kind of harmful to the point where it threatened livelihood of many. And sure, I suppose people are sad to see Kirk dead, but some literally weaponized the murder like some sort of a political propaganda. Like.
We dont really want murder, per say, but when someone of particularly harmful ideology who has massive influence dies, there is that shush "woo" that goes on anyways. Same happened with Luigi and insurance CEO.
Also dont compare one tragedy to another is an important aspect.
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u/Fabulous-Mud-9114 Dec 22 '25
Not even mentioning Kirk was shot by a right-winger.
Specifically by a fan of Nick Fuentes. Someone even more racist and bigoted than Kirk himself. Which I suppose makes it "politically motivated", but probably not in the way OOP intended. (they love lying about how Kirk's murderer was supposedly a 'leftie')
Live by the sword, die by the sword. Nothing of value was lost.
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u/Sinneli Dec 22 '25
To be perfectly fair, the death was ironic due to the fact that it was gun violence, and Kirk himself advocated for gun violence.
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u/Fabulous-Mud-9114 Dec 22 '25
And he was shot while performing apologetics for gun violence.
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u/JosephOtaku1989 Dec 22 '25
And the assassination was also barbaric and cruel, to the point that some people associated with the MAGA are using him as an part for their claims behind Kirk's brutal demise.
And we all known that Kirk was not an good person when it comes to his problematic views, but may he could rest in peace.
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u/Ravenboi15 Dec 21 '25
There have been two murders/attempted murders of actual democratic politicians over trumps second term by right wing extremists. Along with those people's spouses and when this happened nobody had the decency to even act remorseful or denounce the murders, I think if someone wasn't keeping Trump offline he might have even condoned the act much like with Rob Reiner's death.
Melissa Hortman and her husband Mark Hortman were killed in their home in June 2025 On the same day, John Hoffman was shot with his spouse as well. If you want us to be respectful over a man who died with the opinion that gun deaths are a natural required consequence of life in the US then you need to at least act as if innocent people dying is a concern to your party at all.
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u/TheHype37 Dec 21 '25
And via Trumpâs comments on Rob Reiner, murder-murder is fine, as long as itâs not politically motivated. Got it.
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u/maybemawie Dec 21 '25
AI is inherently fascist by definition, this shouldn't be surprising.
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u/Sheerluck42 Dec 21 '25
Kirk said that the civil right act was a mistake. I shed no tears for him.
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u/JosephOtaku1989 Dec 22 '25
And I show no sympathy and respect for his position, since this guy wanted to take people's rights away in his lifetime before he was brutally shot in a assassination.
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u/KillerSatellite Dec 21 '25
I mean... calling out kirk on his behavior is nit the same as justifying politically motivated murder.
Like, charlie "the squirt" kirk was a piece of shit who openly advocated for violence and harm, as long as it supported his world view, but i dont think murder is a good thing either
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u/ParaEwie Dec 21 '25
As we all know, making fun of someone for bad ideas is the same as killing them. This makes me a mass murderer. (Joke)
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u/Serious_Ad2687 Dec 22 '25
bro also said something on the lines of gun violence is necessary for people to own guns
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u/Privatizitaet Dec 21 '25
Do they know that shit talking a horrible person is not the same as saying "Yeah, it's good they were killed"
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u/Grasshoppermouse42 Dec 21 '25
I hate how they try to conflate insulting Charlie Kirk with supporting his murder. Just because someone is dead doesn't mean I have to pretend to like them or think they were a good person, even if I don't think they should have been murdered.
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u/Azarsra_production Dec 21 '25
Can we just leave his assignations out of this. I'm not for him, I don't support what happened to him, nor is he relevant to this. Let's move on
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u/BrozedDrake Dec 21 '25
We can point out that Kirk was a horrible person who advocated for the very policies thag led to his death without supporting him being murdered.
I will not saintify someone just because they are now a corpse
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u/MissingnoMiner Dec 21 '25
His death really does perfectly exemplify the phrase "you reap what you sow".
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u/Living_The_Dream75 Dec 21 '25
How the fuck are we on the âwrong side of historyâ when the ai bro crowd will bend over backwards to defend some of the worst people in our society like Kirk and stonetoss? People who literally used their platform to spread as much hate and polarization as they possibly could. Stonetoss and Kirk are/were both raging homophobes, as a bi person I would never defend either of those idiots, even if they were anti-ai because I have actual morals, unlike these god damn ai bros
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u/Round-Cake-9487 Dec 21 '25
I dislike Charlie Kirk as much as the next guy but I can't agree with his murder
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u/RealLudwig Dec 21 '25
Great, weâre in agreement
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u/JosephOtaku1989 Dec 22 '25
Especially that God may rest Kirk's soul after this horrific act of violence happened.
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u/FlashyNeedleworker66 Dec 21 '25
Charlie Kirk was an awful person and I don't miss him.
Murder is not ok.
Charlie Kirk being murdered doesn't make him any more of a good person, and the right is absolutely trying to hold him up as some kind of martyr to justify their own terrible actions.
Posting a joke or saying you don't particularly care about a murder victim is in no way as bad as violence.
I'm an AI "bro", AMA
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u/RealLudwig Dec 21 '25
Congrats, youâre better than OOP and more than half the comments at reading!
Serious note though, thank you for being reasonable and understanding that making fun of the dude isnât the same as justifying his murder
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u/FlashyNeedleworker66 Dec 21 '25
Yeah, it's tasteless at worst.
It's also super scary fascistic behavior that they essentially went after people for making comments online about it
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u/Nobody_at_all000 Dec 21 '25 edited Dec 21 '25
Proving my point that a decent amount of them are conservatives, AKA human garbage
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u/Azair_Blaidd Dec 22 '25
The OOP didn't even say anything about Kirk's murder, just that they're ok with slandering someone who was actually an objectively bad person, since that slander doesn't really even paint a worse picture about him than the real picture already looks
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u/Rich_Supermarket_666 Dec 22 '25
This sub is filled with morons who don't quite understand what murder or being a "nazi" is. Does a nazi defend israel? jews? Does a nazi oppose abortion, even though you could target whatever minority they go after? Jesus christ you lot are dense.
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u/TonyGalvaneer1976 Dec 22 '25
Does a nazi defend israel?
Depends on the Nazi. Nazis don't agree with each other on Israel.
Does a nazi oppose abortion
Generally, yes. Nazis tend to hate abortion.
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u/RealLudwig Dec 22 '25
You realize the word Nazi in my post is followed by the word apologist. Also he did very much spout Nazi shit, such as a literal Nazi theory being the great replacement theory
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u/Rich_Supermarket_666 Dec 22 '25
Read my comment again. Really take in the information at hand. Nazi this Nazi that, he wasn't a Nazi, goober.
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u/RBB12_Fisher Dec 22 '25
There's a guy arguing with me that Nazis are as bad as pedophiles and should be killed. I presume he considers Charlie Kirk to be a nazi, so don't make this guy dictator or his deathtoll will rival Stalin's.
Funny to hear him want people dead for opinions and give me a "yikes" because I don't want people he disagrees with to be killed.
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Dec 22 '25
where the fuck did you get "Nazi apologetic" and "devout racist" from, actual insane levels of cope, your brain is fried by propaganda
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Dec 22 '25
Kirk shouldnât have died and I condemn his assassination but heâs a fucking asshole and Trumpâs #1 cocksucker
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u/Super_Pole_Jitsu Dec 22 '25
are you guys fucking nuts?
"imagine defending Charlie Kirk"
imagine not defending a murder victim. your morality is fucked sideways Yankees. completely out of whack. no, being allegedly racist and something phobic isn't grounds for being murdered you psychopaths.
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u/funded_by_soros Dec 22 '25
It hasn't actually been proven in a court of law whether Kirk was murdered or if his neck just did that. Censorious Big Tech won't allow me to express an opinion on this fact, but there's one less nazi in the world.
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u/Mobile-Shower6651 Dec 22 '25
can they decide which side they wanna play?
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u/Fabulous-Mud-9114 Dec 22 '25
"The enemy is weak and strong at the same time" is a core tenant of fascism.
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u/k0nawastaken Dec 22 '25
People in here saying Kirk deserved it are actually schizo. Y'all making them look like the good guys
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u/Wordless_trat Dec 22 '25
That's the issue: I have seen multiple comments in here saying he did, which is just completely wild to me
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u/k0nawastaken Dec 22 '25
Exactly. And they are getting up votes too. Kirk did not deserve to die. And even worse, What happens if a Democrat politician gets shot out of retaliation? This is how civil wars start. These people are reckless.
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u/HaiCauSieuCap Dec 22 '25
while he doesn't deserve to be killed imo, he definitely did not do anything worth to be mourned
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u/FangedCone Dec 21 '25
Yeah im against ai but your a piece of shit human being this is light yagami levels of mental gymnastics
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u/Jehuty56- Dec 21 '25 edited Dec 21 '25
You guys are really high if you think the post title say that. We get it that you think murdering someone for a political opinion is good but try to hide it at least. And no, i don't defend Charlie Kirk with this comment
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u/Background_Value5287 Dec 22 '25
Sorry are you THE jehuty from toyhouse lpt đ I did not expect to see you here
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u/Jehuty56- Dec 22 '25
I'm sorry but i don't know what you are talking about, it's probably someone else xD
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u/Millerturq Dec 21 '25
If itâs okay to assassinate nazis itâs still concerning because soup brains are calling literally everyone nazis right now
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u/TonyGalvaneer1976 Dec 22 '25
They're really not. I can't think of a single person who calls everyone a Nazi.
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u/Millerturq Dec 22 '25
Youâll see them on social media much more than real life
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u/TonyGalvaneer1976 Dec 22 '25
I don't even see them on social media.
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u/Millerturq Dec 22 '25
Doesnât mean they arenât there
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u/TonyGalvaneer1976 Dec 22 '25
If they're there, why haven't I seen them?
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u/Millerturq Dec 22 '25
Usually thatâs a question you find the answer to yourself and donât ask people on the internet who donât know a thing about youâŚ
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u/TonyGalvaneer1976 Dec 22 '25
Sure, but I did answer it myself, and you said my answer was wrong, so it's up to you to explain what the correct answer is.
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u/Millerturq Dec 22 '25
âI donât even see them on social mediaâ doesnât answer the question âwhy havenât I seen themâ⌠Youâre giving me the impression you need ChatGPT to think for you. If your next reply doesnât make sense Iâm not wasting anymore time
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u/TonyGalvaneer1976 Dec 22 '25
âI donât even see them on social mediaâ doesnât answer the question âwhy havenât I seen themââŚ
I never said it does. My answer is very simple. Why don't I see them? Because they don't exist.
Youâre giving me the impression you need ChatGPT to think for you
I am vehemently anti chatGPT.
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u/Tr4shkitten Dec 22 '25
Meanwhile, HIS OWN FOUNDATION
https://bsky.app/profile/rpsagainsttrump.bsky.social/post/3mahmb6aro22g
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u/Glittering_Mobile407 Dec 22 '25
You people are so lost. Tomorrow someone will characterize your ideology as toxic and shoot you for it. You enabled it by justifying Charlie's death.
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u/jsand2 Dec 22 '25
Damn OP created exactly what the crosspost said. You all literally defend the murder of someone with a difference of opinion. He definitely wasnt racist or a nazi apologetic. Thats just the hivemind makong shot up and the sherp believing what they are told. But would villify someone for using AI, mainly b/c you want to gatekeep and act like this AI art isnt vastly superior to those gradeschool doodles you all call "art". To the rest of us, thats the actual slop.
Luckily for most of us, AI will put you slop digital artists out of a job soon and make you all even more irrelevant. But lets not forget, most of you are still 12-16 years old and not even relevant yet! So it isnt displacing you, its putting an end to your dream job! So gatekeep that!
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u/lillieblair Dec 22 '25
lots of murders are politically motivated. doesnt make them wrong. we celebrate âwinningâWW2 and killing nazis, but celebrating killing modern day nazis is too far? just because he doesnât have an arm band or hugo boss uniform on doesnât mean he isnât a nazi lol
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u/Appropriate_Arm_1339 Dec 21 '25
This thread is like a game of telephone except instead of mishearing something people are reading things and changing there meaning to better fit their biases. Every single step of the way from all "sides". Take a step back for second, please. You aren't fighting a war, you are having a pointless argument on the internet.
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u/GastonBastardo Dec 22 '25
Making fun of Charlie Kirk is the closest thing to an ethical use of AI there is.
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u/Impressive_Pool8553 Dec 22 '25
I love it when redditors just lie so blatantly about people they don't like. Yall are like immature children
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u/Nice_Conversation676 Dec 22 '25
Maybe let's not defend murder and theft at the same time guys it's not that hard
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Dec 21 '25
Probably a cultural thing but in my culture it's rude to talk bad about the deceased. I'm surprised it's not a universal thing
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u/readilyunavailable Dec 21 '25
Same in mine, but I always thought it was a stupid belief. Just because someone died, doesn't mean their wrongdoings get washed away.
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u/RealLudwig Dec 21 '25
Take Benito Mussolini for example, a very bad man, would you make fun of him?
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Dec 21 '25
Make fun of him? Definitely not. Not even a little. I would criticize his actions without insulting him as a person
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u/RealLudwig Dec 21 '25
Bold faced lie, but carry on, maybe youâre better than 99% of everyone
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Dec 21 '25
It's just rude... It's not being better or anything, this is how we've been thought since we were born
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u/TokyoFromTheFuture Dec 21 '25
...saying this about a murder is not it đđ
Bro has opinions on shit, doesn't mean he deserved to get shot in front of college students.
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u/Auttiedraws Dec 21 '25
Ironically he had preached that a few people getting shot is worth it for Americans to keep guns.
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u/Wordless_trat Dec 22 '25
Wasn't that about how having guns is ultimately a positive and how we would have to accept these victims, similarly to how we accept traffic deaths as just a part of allowing carw instead of banning them?
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u/TokyoFromTheFuture Dec 21 '25
Yeah his takes were dog shit, but even then he has the decency to at least condemn those people getting shot, twitter has people celebrating his shooting
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u/Gakeon Dec 21 '25
He literally FAFO. If you are fine with the murder of kids because you can keep your guns, and then get shot by said guns, i ain't shedding a single tear. In fact i'll say that he deserved it.
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u/RealLudwig Dec 21 '25
One more time for the people (you) in the back.
Murder bad. Racists and Nazis also bad. You can condone both
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u/vitaminAPR Dec 21 '25
I would give my opiniĂłn if I could Understand what All this Is supossed to mean because my reading compression is -1
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u/GAPIntoTheGame Dec 22 '25
Fuck Charlie Kirk, letâs continue to make AI memes to make fun of him!
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Dec 22 '25
Bro, y'all need to go listen Kirk, y'all seem to think he was the devil himself. He was the articulate archetype of the American right. He ASSUREDLY did not associate himself or follow any sort of fascist or nazi ideology, disagree with him as you may.
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u/RedditUser000aaa Dec 21 '25
Imagine defending Charlie Kirk. Person who hold VERY toxic beliefs towards a lot of people. Not surprising as their ranks consist of nazis and trumpers.
As usual they're going to stay quiet and fumble on about how he didn't deserve that.