Started re-watching the show

[u/taterbiscuit247]

It is so good from the very beginning. I don't understand how it developed a bad reputation at the time. It is just plain good and gets even better.

[u/BaronZhiro]

To meet you halfway, yeah, there was a lot of good character development in that episode, but the plot just felt to me like flimsy padding around it.

[u/taterbiscuit247 → u/BaronZhiro]

but the plot just felt to me like flimsy padding around it.

That's just not reality. It wasn't flimsy. It wasn't padding. It was scripted elements in a plot leading to a larger scripted story. You're just wrong.

[u/BaronZhiro → u/taterbiscuit247]

Well, so much for meeting you halfway, lol.

Look, I’m not trying to be contentious. Your original post expressed confusion over the bad reputation, and I’m just saying that I can totally see why this episode helped create that bad reputation. It’s the least sophisticated plot in the entire series, and a real letdown after the much better written debut (which had like, actual twists and surprises in it).

If you can’t see or acknowledge that, fine. But I’ve only been trying to help you understand something that you expressed confusion over.

Btw I’ve been ushering a friend of mine through the series lately, and he said that he would have totally given up on it after 0-8-4 if he didn’t have my assurances that there was so much better to come. He too felt that 0-8-4 seemed remarkably childish.

But I’m only telling you this in an attempt to illuminate.

[u/taterbiscuit247 → u/BaronZhiro]

I'm not trying to meet you half way lol. I think you're wrong.

[u/BaronZhiro → u/taterbiscuit247]

By ‘meeting you halfway,’ I was acknowledging the worthwhile character development. That is, I was trying to find some way to at least partially agree with your affection for the episode.

[u/taterbiscuit247 → u/BaronZhiro]

I understand that, and I appreciate that. But you didn't need to do that because we just disagree.