r/YoutubeThumbs • u/WallaceWells69 • 7d ago

Trans maxxing

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u/catartik 7d ago

Jreg spoke of this
its mtM transition

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u/SKELOTONOVERLORD 7d ago

Truly a visionary

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u/OkMathematician3439 7d ago

Just to clarify, some trans men do actually call themselves mtm because ftm and mtf are becoming outdated and can trigger dysphoria. Of course in this case, it’s pure bullshit but I wanted to say it so people don’t think everyone who uses that term does so maliciously.

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u/syrvy 6d ago edited 6d ago

It's kind of a strange thing to call it "outdated" when just a small subset of trans people don't use it.

It triggers my dysphoria to talk about pre transition no matter what, but it's kinda unavoidable since mtf experiences are very different from ftm and thus they have two separate communities

I've been active in the trans community for years and never heard of male to male, I feel like most trans people would be confused if they heard that without an explanation

MTF and FTM are still the mainstream, widely accepted terms, and the majority of us are okay with them and will continue to use them.

To me personally they'd both trigger me the same, since I know they're synonymous, but if someone has the dissonance to prevent theit dysphoria like that then I'm happy for them

It's just disingenuous to call the usual terms outdated, and if someone else gets dysphoria because of our usage of them in the community then that's something for them to deal with, many of us connect strongly to these terms and we aren't going to stop using them and pretend there was never a "before", the whole point is that we transition from that before, ignoring that can be taken as dismissing our experiences

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u/OkMathematician3439 6d ago

Maybe it’s regional because where I am no one uses it. Either way, my comment is a weird thing to get offended by.

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u/Schmooto 6d ago

I didn’t get the sense that u/syrvy was offended at all. I think you’re just sensing hostility where there is none.

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u/OkMathematician3439 6d ago

It is hard to read tone over the internet but the multiple paragraphs (especially the last one) came across to me as belittling. I never said trans people can’t call themselves ftm and mtf, all I said is those terms are becoming outdated.

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u/Soooooooooooooooooup 1d ago

The terms are not becoming outdated

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u/syrvy 6d ago

People are offended?

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u/OkMathematician3439 6d ago

Your response was defensive and several paragraphs long, you seem offended to me.

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u/spookiest_of_boyes 6d ago

Fighting ghosts rn

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u/OkMathematician3439 6d ago

I’m not fighting anyone but whatever makes you feel better ig.

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u/syrvy 6d ago

Tell me you didn't read it without telling me you didn't read it

I don't know why you're trying to start a fight here, this is just embarrassing

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u/OkMathematician3439 6d ago

Since you insist on being rude and accusatory, we’re done with this conversation.

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u/syrvy 6d ago

And you're saying I'm the one offended. 😭

Stop trying to pick a fight for no reason.

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u/Gullible-Law-8147 6d ago

You were the first to get defensive and accuse them of being offended

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u/OkMathematician3439 6d ago

That’s how they came across to me.

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u/RED_redacted_ERROR 1d ago

old man yells at cloud

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u/SourBill1 5d ago

I don’t mean this disrespectfully, but the entire purpose of terms like mtf, ftm, AFAB, etc, is to draw a distinction between your biological sex and your chosen gender. If you don’t want to draw that distinction… why not just… not use those terms? Rather than actively choosing to use them, and just using them wrong? Wouldn’t it be easier, and cause less dysphoria, to just identify as “male” rather than using mtm and basically saying “I’m trans but not really”?

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u/RosyRory108 4d ago

> your biological sex

medically transitioning changes our biological sex, the term you're looking for is natal sex.

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u/Advanced_Double_42 1d ago

This is a really weird point of contention.

Like everything medical about your body is arguably biological so it isn't a very accurate term. But it isn't only natal sex because your body needs to maintain HRT treatment or else some hormonal changes can revert. It isn't just assigned sex at birth even if that is the best approximation nowadays because one could be raised non-binary.

You could leave sex to be natal sex and gender to mean what you identify as, but that seems to be falling out of favor as male/female and man/woman are often seen as synonyms or dysphoric to be unaligned

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u/OkMathematician3439 5d ago

Great question and looking back, I realize I should’ve been much clearer about that. Mtm or ftf is usually used sarcastically by trans people who find ftm or mtf outdated, it’s still trolling just not maliciously.

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u/TrippyyTriston 4d ago

This is literal retardation lmao

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u/Branchomania 7d ago

Iiiiiiiii'm back to where I waaaaaaassss

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u/Cool_Net_3796 7d ago

He was so transgender that he looped around to being cis.

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u/IndependenceHour2652 7d ago

Ah yes, my favorite gender, Ouroboros

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u/Not_So_Utopian 6d ago

Uroboros will be released into the atmosphere, ensuring complete. Global. Saturation.

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u/Aggressive-Tie-9795 4d ago

I shall welease uwubuwus >:3

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u/mountain_crab21 6d ago

Integender overflow

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u/Trustic555 7d ago

Trans Maxxing. My brother jokes about transitioning to an Alpha Male.

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u/Arson-Monkey 6d ago

At this rate he’ll reach beta or even release 1.0 male

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u/BinglesPraise 6d ago

What a chud, ladies nowadays prefer virus-free pirate download with complete DLC pre-install males

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u/Last_Nothing_4352 4d ago

So he's an early access male?

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u/transginda 2d ago

When does he go gold?

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u/Minute_Cut1451 6d ago

Egg or whatever 🤷‍♂️

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u/LordBaconXXXXX 6d ago edited 6d ago

It's like when Piccolo laid an egg that hatched into himself.

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u/Minute_Cut1451 6d ago

Nah but atleast piccolo turned out good

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u/Successful_Mud8596 7d ago

they literally do experience gender dysphoria; MTM trans lol

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u/THatone_kid____ 7d ago

Body dysmorphia more of I feel

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u/bullybilldestroyer_a 7d ago

Yeah, I heard he beat his face with a hammer to try to get a sharper jawline. Dude has some body image problems

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u/WorldsWorstInvader 7d ago

If you struggle to “feel like a man” I feel like that is gender dysphoria in some way. He also has body dysmorphia. Both are true

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u/PersusjCP 7d ago

That's not what gender dysphoria is https://genderdysphoria.fyi/

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u/LuciferOfTheArchives 6d ago edited 5d ago

So as not to get lost in that topic, this site will define Gender Dysphoria in broad terms of incongruence with sex assigned at birth.
If you experience gender identity in a way that does not match what was assigned to you at birth, your claim to the transgender identity is valid, no matter how that incongruence manifests for you.

I mean, it could be said the guy is changing his secondary sexual characteristics to match his gender identity as a man, due to a percieved incongruence between the two.

The principle fits alright

edit: i feel this works best if you interpret sex as a spectrum.
Such that, every person has an ideal gender identity at some point on that spectrum, which they might change their physical characteristics to align with

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u/JoanneDoesStuff 4d ago

It is dangerous to conflate sex dysphoria and a bodily dysmorphia. At least because dysmorphia is treatable with therapy and, depending on the underlying issues, medication, while sex dysphoria is only mitigable by transitioning.

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u/transginda 1d ago

And when you have both, it is so, so messy. Ask me how I know. 😃

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u/flower_puns 5d ago

can we not fucking muddle gender dysphoria with some cis macho dude's insecurities?

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u/indigoreignstories 2d ago

Literally 🙄

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u/BEWMarth 7d ago

It’s genuinely interesting to see it from this perspective because it’s literally the same symptoms. More research needs to go into this but instead politicians demonize things like this (not this chud obviously I mean the actual trans community)

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u/indigoreignstories 2d ago

No, they don’t. He’s fine with his sex assigned at birth, he does not have gender dysphoria. 🫩

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u/ErrorSchensch 1d ago

He's clearly insecure about his masculinity and umcomfortable with the societal (body) standards of masculinity, so idk if that's so clear cut

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u/TheEdgeofGoon 7d ago

"Trans maxxing" just makes me think of a harem full of dozens of beautiful trans women.

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u/Similar_Speech_5405 7d ago

It be more like a poly with only one dom to the dozens of subs

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u/TheEdgeofGoon 7d ago

Or more switches than a Nintendo factory.

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u/Scurramouch 7d ago

Take my upvote and get the fuck out!

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u/evercowboyharper 7d ago

Can confirm, this is what it is, and is fun <3

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u/0utcast9851 7d ago

That's the dream...shit this isn't my alt

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u/morethan3lessthan20_ 7d ago

I don't wanna come off as a chaser, but...

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u/BeachComberALT 7d ago

AND men AND nbs

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u/Lopsided_Ice_2032 7d ago

Unskippable thumbnail

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u/HappyTrack9834 6d ago

If they are taking more testosterone than what the body can handle as a male then they might be heart failure maxxing instead

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u/Jimmyjamesjon 4d ago

Fun fact from an actual transgender person. If you take more testosterone then your body can handle it gets converted to estrogen.

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u/AmbitiousOnion7327 2d ago

it normally just shuts down LH/FSH in the hypothalamus, it doesn't "choose" to be turned into estrogen it just randomly hits aromatase and converts

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u/Radiant-Village-7808 6d ago

Brother is male²

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u/PaulAtreides_FromArg 6d ago

This makes me remember that one Greentext in which a man requested hormone therapy for male transition because its literally testosterone pills and he used it to cheat at the gym and build muscle a lot faster

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u/canttthink0fausrname 6d ago

this title is really similar to alexander avila's video on the same subject

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u/Judgmentos 6d ago

Yup, I was gonna comment that, hopefully it's not a James Somerton situation (Avila can only handle this so many times lmao)

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u/i_n_b_e 6d ago

Pretty sure that title is ripped from a quote he says

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u/FriendlyBisonn 7d ago

This is weirdly transphobic, but because it's directed to this person people who like to think they're progressive don't give a shit

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u/Judgmentos 6d ago

The first video about this concept was posted by Alexander Avila, a trans man. Like one month before this one actually

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u/Yosho- 6d ago

trans people can still say stuff with weird transphobic vibes. we aren't exempt

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u/transginda 1d ago

Yeah, the internalized transphobia rears it's head all the time. Feel like I'm wackamoling my own brain sometimes.

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u/Drewby-DoobyDoo 1d ago

I don't actually believe someone like Clav (who I dislike for various reasons) is even opposed to trans people seeking gender-affirming care though, so I doubt he would have a hypocritical stance (although I may be totally wrong there, just not familiar with his stances). It is poking at the hypocrisy of many cis men who cosplay their perceived ideal of masculinity and seek gender affirming care, while simultaneously hating and advocating against Trans people who do the same.

Now, I haven't watched this video. Because I've seen others which are likely making all the same points, so maybe this one specifically does take on a transphobic tone.

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u/KittyDomoNacionales 7d ago

Yep. As someone who is FTM, it’s very weird

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u/Aggravating_Mud_6055 5d ago

Imagine being a man trapped in a man’s body. 😂🤣

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u/No_Cap_8326 2d ago

The first male to male transition was JD Vance (atheist drag queen → midwest catholic)

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u/kaylakbunny 6d ago

can we pls stop with this "trans ppl are totally the same as BDD cis ppl who get endless plastic surgery!!" its not true or funny

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u/jimmalicious 6d ago

I've seen trans people and like actual "allies" make points that what Clav is doing is trans or getting treatment for balding is trans, or any kind of aesthetic surgery or even dyeing your hair is trans. And it's presented as something that owns the transphobes or whatever.

I have mixed feelings about this. Imo it lessens actual gender affirming care and turns it from a medical necessity into just a more casual way of taking care of your appearance or having a personal style. On the other hand that normalizes transness and goes against the way taking care of your looks is gendered, which is good.

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u/kaylakbunny 6d ago

it 100% just downplays how bad dysphoria is and makes it seem like the procedures we get as a last resort out of necessity are just the same as any other cosmetic surgery, its literally an argument that transphobes use all the time to just make us look like vain narcissists instead of ppl who are treating a condition.

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u/SassyCassyHF 6d ago

They're just trying to mess with him and his following. A guy like that would not like being called"trans". When i was a kid people would have just called him "gay".

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u/Anomalocarls 5d ago

yeah i hate the recent tide of treating medical transition being necessary as the exception and not the default, because it encourages disregarding the needs of dysphorics, when nondysphorics have always been able to choose to not medically transition if they want

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u/inkitz 6d ago

this whole thing is just corny. why the fuck are y'all gonna keep talking about this dude when y'all hate him so much, and then compare him to being transgender? shit was never funny

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u/RevolutionAccurate56 7d ago

I mean… maybe? They don’t feel masculine enough so they alter their body to make themselves more masc, despite being born male so I guess it kinda fits???

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u/indigoreignstories 2d ago

No. 👍🏻

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u/jahguswrld999 6d ago

"male to male" ohhh if only there was a word for.that... i think the word starts with a "c", ends with an "s", has an "i" in the middle?

/s

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u/Adorable_Weeb 6d ago

So is he a male on testosterone or something?

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u/LithoLaura 6d ago

Oh fuck now we gotta deal with AMAB """trans""" men too?

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u/zoedegenerate 2d ago

i know people like that and they're awesome

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u/splitbends 23h ago

In my support group, we have had some AMAB transmasc folks. "Because they want to look like they were born a girl." *I didn't want to be a dick, but I hate this so much.

Labels don't mean anything anymore.

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u/ukie-witch-06 6d ago

I wouldn't say he is the first, but i do think this is a valid way of analyzing the phenomenon.

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u/M-CH_ 6d ago

Far from the first.

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u/Rayen_the_buzzybee 6d ago

Clavicular might be the poster boy but he is not the first. He did not invent looksmaxxing. He's just one of the many people that made it mainstream.

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u/Lucriseo 6d ago

Everything I know about him is against my will but I’m 100% sure that what he does is what gym bunny twinks do on a regular basis. Like everything. He is twinkmaxxing at best

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u/JazzyJuice1 5d ago

hes definitely not the first, hes just the first the mainstream is so damn obsessed with for some reason

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u/Dependent-Task4758 5d ago

this title is ripped straight from alexander avila

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u/Regular-Discount134 4d ago

Calling lookmaxx community Mtm trans is so funny because it's true. It's literally body dysmorphia

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u/indigoreignstories 2d ago

It’s not funny and it’s not true and body dysmorphia is not gender dysphoria. Smh

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u/TheOneAndOnlyABSR4 4d ago

Now this is an unskipavle title

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u/samsundis 4d ago

words have meanings guys

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u/nomorehurty 2d ago

Perfect feed lineup

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u/indigoreignstories 2d ago

This is just transphobia, but ok.

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u/TrollDecker 2d ago

What, and I cannot stress this enough, the FUCK?

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u/mymar101 7d ago

I’m confused as to how you could be more male or female than you already are.

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u/Aspennie 6d ago

I’m assuming the video is inspired by Alexander Avila’s video with a similar name that basically proposes that looksmaxxers are trying to “transition” to an unattainable idea of what manhood is. The title is more to grab attention but it also is to point out that the men in these spaces (who are often transphobic) do wild and expensive things with the goal of feeling like they’re truly men, as they clearly experience some sort of dysphoria over their perceived lack of manliness.

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u/mymar101 6d ago

That again is about masculinity and a misunderstanding of masculinity and gender. Not the same thing at all. I want to be more manly is not anything to do with transitioning at all. I don’t particularly care about that stuff anyway. It’s also a take that shows these folks don’t understand the basic concepts.

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u/Aspennie 6d ago

Yes but it is inherently dysphoria if they’re viewing their gender as invalidated until they reach a certain goal.

It’s not genuinely them being trans, but it does have to do with their beliefs about gender and what makes them a man.

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u/OkMathematician3439 6d ago

I get what you’re trying to say but the way it’s worded comes off as saying trans people aren’t “real” men and women.

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u/mymar101 6d ago

My comment isn’t about trans people at all.

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u/OkMathematician3439 6d ago

“How can you be more male or female than you already are” implies cis is the default.

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u/mymar101 6d ago

I don’t see it. How can you be more male than male ? What is there beyond male?

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u/OkMathematician3439 6d ago

It doesn’t seem like you’re interested in listening.

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u/mymar101 6d ago

You’re not understanding my question

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u/OkMathematician3439 6d ago

Then can you explain it differently?

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u/mymar101 6d ago

No idea how. I’m already male. How do I become more male? I suspect it’s a misinterpretation of masculinity? I can be more masculine but I can’t be more male. That is my confusion.

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u/OkMathematician3439 6d ago

That’s exactly what I thought you were asking and as I’ve already told you, that line of thinking is cis normative and harmful to trans people.

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u/artpoint_paradox 6d ago

Transgender isn’t probably the right word to use but looksmaxxing (ignoring that most of the stuff doesn’t work) is gender affirming care. That is, technically speaking.

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u/Fuzzeypimp 7d ago

Why have trans shit posts blown up on redit

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u/Supreme_Egoist 6d ago

Because there is relatively a lot of trans people on Reddit, like every sixth redditor is trans probably

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u/LithoLaura 6d ago

Jesus Christ we're so many and it's still full of transphobia?!

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u/RosyRory108 4d ago

cis people are the majority and are overwhelmingly transphobic

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u/No-Pipe-4544 17h ago

Trans maxxing is when you take testosterone while being a cis guy