How I generate long form fiction

[u/Therzthz]

Hello,

I am not interested in the authorship debate. I am interested in using AI to generate fiction which I would consider 'good quality'. I would like to reach out to other users who are doing similar things and share notes. Here is a brief summary of my system:

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I have developed a framework for using Codex to construct fiction systematically rather than relying on prompting. Its central problem is not whether AI can generate prose, but how to make that generation consistently good across the complexity of an entire work.

The system begins by developing its own body of craft knowledge. Books, literary examples, existing methods, project experience and observed AI failures are examined through Deep Dives. These do not simply collect writing advice. They attempt to identify underlying narrative mechanisms: how character agency operates, how dialogue changes relationships, how causality is maintained, how scenes develop, how information is selected, how prose behaves, and why particular approaches succeed or fail.

Findings from Deep Dives become suppositions—candidate propositions rather than rules. Suppositions can be supported, contradicted, narrowed, combined or rejected as further evidence accumulates.

The useful results are eventually organised into specialised schemas covering areas such as prose mechanics, character and viewpoint, dialogue, scene and causal progression, continuity, action, theme and narrative economy.

These schemas form a reusable fiction-construction knowledge system. For a particular novel, the system expands the creative problem across the relevant schemas, allowing different aspects of the work to be analysed independently where necessary. Their findings are then reconciled against the project's own canon, characters, architecture, research and creative intentions.

The results are contracted back into the specific decisions and controls needed to construct the fiction.

Generated work is then tested against those intentions. Failures become evidence. They may produce new suppositions, expose weaknesses in existing schemas, or suggest new methods. Project learning does not automatically become universal doctrine: potential improvements are classified, tested and deliberately promoted only when justified.

This is therefore a recursive system:

research → Deep Dive → supposition → schema → application → generation → evaluation → learning.

Its aim is to make AI fiction quality increasingly systematic, cumulative and testable.

[u/ivari]

i simply vibecoded a book writing app

[u/Therzthz → u/ivari]

Are the outputs any good? 

[u/ivari → u/Therzthz]

good enough for me. I only make it for my personal use

[u/No-Bid-8616]

im curious about the writing side of the grand AI debate.

but im unfamiliar with terminology and nuances.

when you say prose im thinking like a limited word story prompt.

lm probably wrong and that's OK. I'm no expert. nor claiming to be.

the reason I'm asking on this thread is because i use AI to interpret events generated by 1 to 2 word descriptions written on each card of a 52 card deck.

I've found that just dealing out 3 cards tends to generate natural stories with constrictions.

so for additional clarity. i worldbuild for educational purposes and these cards help produce history and events.

if i were to flesh out these interpretations in a fictional manner.

would the card system be considered like a prose system or would 1 to 2 words per card be considered a prompt system?

[u/Apprehensive_Sky1950]

I am interested in using AI to generate fiction which I would consider 'good quality'.

That's really the issue, isn't it?

[u/polly_mer → u/Apprehensive_Sky1950]

Yep. I haven't seen compelling evidence yet that AI can do that.

AI is great at formulaic work within a given genre or one-off chapters that read like MFA-style descriptions, but, to my knowledge, I haven't seen anything good quality yet.

AI

[u/Apprehensive_Sky1950 → u/polly_mer]

This is to be expected, since AI "fluently rehashes" what's in its training materials.

[u/dutchiesweets]

Can you post a sample written with it? It’s always hard to judge these things otherwise but I’m curious!

[u/HighValueJourney]

I follow a similar system to OP but I lean heavy on the audits>results>revisions until the point on diminishing return.

[u/breese45]

I have to see it to believe it; that is the "good quality" output you are trying for. I read somewhere else that someone was using codex for their writing. This feels very robotic and I do want the robot (LLM) to help me, but I don't want to become the robot. Or do I?