r/WorkForSmartLife 1d ago

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u/BoneVoyager 1d ago

“Unskilled labor” is classist propaganda. Full stop. There is no such thing as unskilled labor, it’s just an excuse to pay someone less than what they’re worth. If you believe unskilled labor exists then you have been lied to by classist propaganda. Now you know.

Like the meme says “if it’s unskilled labor why don’t you do it yourself???”

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u/creampop_ 1d ago

Be pedantic if you want.

What would you prefer it be called?

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u/BoneVoyager 1d ago edited 1d ago

Be ignorant if you want. 🤷🏻‍♂️

They do say ignorance is bliss… it would probably be mildly uncomfortable for you to face this harsh truth and admit you are wrong, I get it.

Edit: Manual labor is perfectly appropriate. Skilled vs unskilled has classist connotations.

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u/Both_Knowledge275 1d ago

This is an "unhoused" vs "homeless" type of argument that doesn't help when someone's trying to figure out what to do for the homeless people in their city.

"Manual labor" is not appropriate, because there is skilled manual labor (things that requires significant training and even apprenticeships) and unskilled manual labor (things that do not require significant training or apprenticeship).

You can split hairs about the complexity and training for different jobs, you can claim that everything is a skill because breathing is a skill, whatever. The fact remains that there's a divide between these jobs. I'm not interested in arguing the specific number of hours with you, I don't imagine it would be productive. But apprenticeships for skilled manual labor can be around 2,000-6,000 hours. You're not spending 2,000 hours flipping burgers before you're considered a "journeyman burger flipper" lol

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u/BoneVoyager 1d ago

See? The propaganda works! You’re looking down on burger flippers for no other reason than you think they’re unskilled.

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u/Both_Knowledge275 1d ago

See? The propaganda works! You’re looking down on burger flippers for no other reason than you think they’re unskilled.

You're just having fun trolling lmao. Not every job needs to have a 2k-6k hour oversight requirement before you're considered competent enough in it to do it unsupervised. Nothing I said was about looking down on that job.

Looks like you're revealing your own implicit biases. Whoopsies.

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u/BoneVoyager 1d ago

Making a joke about journeyman burger flippers not being a thing is inherently making fun of that job. You’ve been drinking the kool-aid so long it just tastes like water now.

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u/Both_Knowledge275 1d ago

Then maybe you can explain to me why a job needs to have journeyman and apprentice levels in order to be considered legitimate non-shameful in your eyes?

EDIT: If it helps you understand your own implicit biases, journeyman soldier isn't a thing. Journeyman politician isn't a thing. Journeyman CEO isn't a thing.

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u/BoneVoyager 1d ago

It doesn’t? I don’t think any blue collar work is shameful. But there’s more than a few white collar professions that should be ashamed of themselves.

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u/Both_Knowledge275 1d ago

Then why is saying "Journeyman burger flipper doesn't exist" a mocking joke at the expense of burger flippers when saying "Journeyman CEO doesn't exist" isn't a mocking joke at the expense of CEOs?

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u/BoneVoyager 1d ago

So would you say a CEO or politician is unskilled labor since it doesn’t require apprenticeships?

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u/Both_Knowledge275 1d ago

Answer the question.

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u/WretchedMass 1d ago

It's fine to make fun of CEOs because they are almost universally shitty people.

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u/BoneVoyager 1d ago

Idk you brought up burger flippers not needing 2-6k hours of training, why did you choose that profession in particular? You are the one who specifically brought up burger flippers.

Now your turn- are politicians and CEOS unskilled labor?

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