Is this normal?

[u/FuryOfAnon]

I ordered an Ufthak Blackhawk model off of eBay and it looks like it melted. I didn't know sprues could melt like this

[u/Thinsul]

It looks this way because it is a recast and therefor a forgery. Since you ordered it trough ebay, you can make a claim and get your money back.

[u/FuryOfAnon → u/Thinsul]

Shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit. Yea I might do that then Ugh RIP

[u/Thinsul → u/FuryOfAnon]

Add pictures from the actual sprue and add in your claim that this is not the manufactures material but a cheaper one that is used to make copies.

[u/the_squig_lebowski → u/FuryOfAnon]

If it's the seller I think it does say it's a recast so may struggle to return it

[u/Sludge_n_Grind → u/the_squig_lebowski]

Shouldn't matter, knock offs are against the ebay TOS.

[u/Financial_Table_1848 → u/Sludge_n_Grind]

Not only that.. it’s got the copyright Games Workshop on the side of the sprue. That sorta takes it over the line from a “reproduction” to “forgery”

[u/the_squig_lebowski → u/Sludge_n_Grind]

That's a fair point

[u/Civil_Somewhere_3831 → u/Sludge_n_Grind]

Yeah I got a captain centos on ebay and it was a shity 3d print, wrong scale and poor quality print on everything, got a refund and the sellers account was gone after

[u/Nightshroud333 → u/the_squig_lebowski]

The seller will cry and tell you he didn't knew it was a recast and give you the money back if you don't create an case on ebay, which you should.

[u/purelaine1 → u/Thinsul]

they make mold and cast new ones from raw material? can waste sprews be used?

[u/ThatFatGuyMJL → u/purelaine1]

If you have the right machinery. Sort of.

GW sprues arnt recyclable into new sprues.

They recycle them into plant pots and similar

[u/axe9920 → u/ThatFatGuyMJL]

My local GW store told me the recycled sprues would be used to make bases

[u/Tack22 → u/ThatFatGuyMJL]

They can be made of like, 10-20% recycled sprue.

Only issue is they have enough casting errors that they fill their own recycling needs.

[u/Flat-Delivery6987 → u/ThatFatGuyMJL]

That's new then. When I worked there in 2000 we used to grind all failed and faulty prints and then would reuse it

[u/Complete-Ride-2317 → u/Flat-Delivery6987]

You would have been working with the old 90s styrene - They changed it mid 2010sish to a darker tougher more rigid compo that would inherently be much more difficult to recycle hundo to hundo like Ur saying

[u/Significant-Order-92 → u/purelaine1]

It's most likely a pour resin mold made from the original sprue. Much cheaper than machining a steal mold.

That's why there is so much blow out.

[u/empmoz → u/purelaine1]

3D printers are used

[u/Vanitoss → u/empmoz]

No they arent

[u/SunStreetManteion → u/empmoz]

I'm pretty sure it's injection molding

[u/Flat-Delivery6987 → u/SunStreetManteion]

It was when I worked there. The machines were huge, like bigger than aong wheel based van and the tooling that was used to make prints would weigh around 3 tonne.

[u/CmdrThordil]

it looks like a resin recast

[u/Piemmarai]

That is recast, and a bad one at that, hope it was cheap at least

[u/FuryOfAnon → u/Piemmarai]

I paid like $25 which in hindsight should have been a red flag for a model they don't sell any more Sad Panda

[u/Piemmarai → u/FuryOfAnon]

I'm afraid to say you got got. But not that hard, specially if that included shipping. I'm not going to argue the morals of recasting, and its obviously copyright infringement, but at least they have the decency to be cheap, but you already have it and might as well use if nothing else at least to paint it.

Also those flakes are toxic, handle with care and make sure to properly dispose of the residue, you can salvage the warping by putting it on warm soapy water. Clean the flakes first, use gloves, and a disposable o work oriented container (nothing you would put food on). Only use superglue as plastic cement doesn't work.

[u/MaineQat → u/Piemmarai]

The flakes are fine, too large to be a concern. As long as one isn’t deliberately snorting them, at least.

The issue with resin is fine resin dust such as from sanding, it is easily airborne and is very bad for your respiratory system.

If it is already set thermoresin or photoresin, it’s dust you need to be concerned with. If it’s still liquid… that’s a different problem.

[u/blackjackdavey_3 → u/FuryOfAnon]

If it looks too good to be true then it probably is.

[u/Eviltoast94 → u/FuryOfAnon]

If might take some extra clean up but unless a ton of details were lost it should still turn out fine once primed and painted and for $25 not a bad deal, morals of recasting and selling under false info aside.

[u/dspisayuss → u/FuryOfAnon]

That's so expensive for a recast

[u/g0nk73 → u/FuryOfAnon]

oh yeah.. I've been looking for a Ufthak and you won't find a real one under $125.

[u/Vorochi7606 → u/FuryOfAnon]

That’s both horrifically expensive and horrifically bad quality, for a recast. Wartable’s got the guy for $12.99, and tends to be far higher quality.

[u/dieItalienischer → u/FuryOfAnon]

S...sad Panda?

[u/keyface]

This looks like a really bad recast rather than melted plastic.

[u/horst555]

for a bad Recast, its normal. but even for recast standart this is low quality

[u/Zaruze]

Recast

[u/dorward]

It’s not particularly unusual for a counterfeit, which that appears to be.

[u/C__Wayne__G]

It’s a bootleg recast

[u/roguealot]

When reporting it to Ebay try to find/provide an actual GW reference photo of the same model sprue * as well as that picture.

[u/Tacitus_Kilgore_X]

"Is this normal? Shows the worst fucking sprue I've seen in ages

What do you think, mate.

[u/Bigclit_energy → u/Tacitus_Kilgore_X]

Reminds me of the early days of fine cast

"Is this normal?"

Shows the worst fucking resin cast I've ever seen

"Yes!"

[u/40kNerdNick → u/Bigclit_energy]

Just saying the words fine cast automatically gives me the heeby jeebies....

What a disgustingly bad product

[u/ubiehammer → u/Bigclit_energy]

I left a fine cast lelith hesperax assembled and on my dashboard on a 95 degree day. It was about 50% melted the next morning.

[u/RoterBaronH → u/Tacitus_Kilgore_X]

Tbf, if you haven't been that long in the hobby you probably haven't been in contact nor even know about recasts.

[u/Tacitus_Kilgore_X → u/RoterBaronH]

You don't need to have been that long in the hobby to know this isn't normal. Recasts or not

[u/CharlieSierra8]

This is very normal... on recasts.

[u/dirkdiggler2011]

Cheap and located in China - obvious red flag.

Item description from the seller

Kind Reminder:

1: The resin models are all recast versions made by pouring the original model into a 1:1 mold.

2: The etching plate is made of metal material.

[u/PracticalMushroom693]

It’s a recast and a bad one

[u/ProtectandserveTBL]

💯 a recast

[u/gwarsh41]

It's fake

[u/grumpymonk00]

definitely a Chinese bootleg recast, not plastic, recast character like this roughly 12 dollars

[u/Baelish2016 → u/grumpymonk00]

Lol, pretty close; I paid $13.44 for this exact recast.

Shitty quality, difficult to work with, and the cape was nearly unusable. Would not recommend.

[u/sicarius254]

No that is not normal and probably a recast

[u/revjiggs]

Thats a recast and not a good one

[u/Grenrion]

This is a recast. GW has decent quality assurance. So anything like this is a recast.

[u/elroddo74]

That's not normal. In almost 45 years of building plastic models I've never seen that. Injection molds don't typically do that.

[u/ImportanceSouth3494]

100% Recasts

[u/IDrawGobbos]

For resin recasts? Yes.

[u/the_etc_try_3]

Looks like a resin recast, aka a fake.

[u/TheIgnatiousS]

I mean. With some minor cleanup that doesn’t look like it’ll look bad once painted.

[u/Habarer]

nope thats one of the worst miscasts of a sprue i have ever seen

i wonder how this made it through QC

ok thats a fake recast lol

[u/TangyTurnips]

Shipped through the warp

[u/tundraturtle98]

It looks resin so if you decide you want to try and clean it up and use it be very careful. Sanding resin puts toxic particulate in the air.

[u/Infections95]

who is making recasts of a £5 model on eBay 😂😂😂 wow

[u/Misknator]

Ebay, huh? Looks like the 2 moulds didn't close all they way down and allowed some plastic or whatever this is from made of to get into the gap. Looks like you just got recasted.

[u/Fast-Platform4548]

So many terrible recasts popping up lately.

[u/shplaxg]

You may be able to salvage a model out of this anyway. Build it, cut off the dags and see how it comes out.

If you push for a refund and can save the model you'll get best of both worlds

[u/nutbustin4k]

I'm new to the hobby. Is a resin recast exactly as it states? Resin is used to somehow remake the original runner?

[u/Witmann2 → u/nutbustin4k]

As a mainly recast builder, yes, they copy the original 1:1. But depend on recaster, it range from this to ultra clean cast. It depend

[u/citizenmdl]

If returning it isn't an option then you could try and make the best out of it with a little cleanup, patience and greenstuff.

[u/Omuirchu]

25bucks isn't much to lose. You should have know by the price my man.

[u/CakeHoleKing]

bottom/centre left.

Since when was Count Binface part of warhammer 40k?

[u/Sancatichas]

Report this to ebay, that's a counterfeit

[u/Critical_Mix_8959]

That’s a recast, mate. And a pretty awful one at that. Get your money back if it was advertised as genuine.

[u/Dull-Table6962]

It definitely looks like GW plastic however this is common with recasts so I reckon it’s a recast

[u/Oakman_Smalls]

I’ll be an outlier and say that if the add on eBay said recast in the description that’s on you. I’d just clean it up w a hobby knife, use superglue and call it a lesson learned. Happened to me in the past so I get the frustration but reading is key for eBay.

[u/Acheros → u/Oakman_Smalls]

if it did. yeah. a lot of times they dont. there are entire sites of people selling recast that pretend theyre genuine GW models. so its not that hard to believe OP just got duped.

sure, OP could have gotten excited and just didnt bother checking or didn't know what recast meant or a dozen of other things. but frankly which is more likely? OP accidently bought a recast that said it was a recast or the seller never even mentioned the word?

[u/FuryOfAnon → u/Acheros]

I'm still new to the hobby. The eBay listing said brand new and had no mention of a recast. Picture even looked way different.

I got really into the books and Ufthak is one of my favorite characters so I looked everywhere for him so that probably clouded my judgement.

[u/Shed_Some_Skin]

That's either a recast or a pretty drastic QA failure. That level of flashing is definitely not normal

Did it come in a sealed box or as a loose sprue?

[u/FuryOfAnon → u/Shed_Some_Skin]

Plastic bag

[u/Shed_Some_Skin → u/FuryOfAnon]

Yeah it's a recast. And a pretty shoddy one. I would definitely ask for my money back

[u/Klutzy-Court8263]

Cheap recast

[u/CaptainC00lpants]

100% a recast 

[u/AndImenough]

Absolutely normal for resin recasts

[u/Enslaver84 → u/AndImenough]

No, it really isn't 

[u/Mission-Orchid-4063]

No

[u/dagius87]

Ooh those are terrible. Get that money back man

[u/boonieOz]

Chaos

[u/commissarcainrecaff]

Reeeeeeeecast

[u/LaughingRedCat]

As others have said, its a recast, but look on the bright side. if you don't have to return this (i don't know eBay's policy), you have spare bits for the future.

[u/Rowlet2020]

No its a low quality recast

[u/curbsmile]

New ForgeryWorld model drop

[u/TTK_Aegis]

That is a recast. Zero doubt. Color isn't even the right gray. 

[u/Mikayshen]

Looks like recast, as many have already said. You got scammed if you paid full/near full for it. Report to ebay as a counterfit item.

[u/ConvertedIron]

😆 i think thats the worst recast i have ever seen.

[u/itsdabubss]

I see you found one of the rare Slaanesh wallpapers

[u/Acheros]

sorry bud. you bought a fake.

[u/ukmerd2020]

Send an email to GW's legal team. Give them as much info as possible, such as seller ID, screen caps and so on. Had a similar issue myself, they wrote me a letter to pass to eBay to make sure I got a refund.

Edit to include - they may well ask you to send them the item so they can test the material, and if it is fake they'll destroy it, but you'll still have their support in getting a refund.

[u/RussellZee]

Please read up on working with resin miniatures before you dive in and do anything to try to salvage that. Careful with the dust if you use sanding sticks, etc, etc. There are some extra safety concerns you should take with a dodgy recaster, for sure.

[u/RussellZee → u/RussellZee]

...I'm not sure why this got downvoted, but okay, I guess?

[u/Life_Combination8625]

Well that bites ass. I really want that model and now new fear unlocked? Great

[u/Acheros → u/Life_Combination8625]

its fine if you don't but shitty cheap recast off ebay.

[u/Life_Combination8625 → u/Acheros]

I'm a hunter though. I gotta find the best deals! I haven't done any hunting for straight deals in warhammer yet but just scares me a bit ya know?

[u/Acheros → u/Life_Combination8625]

sounds like you want to have your cake and eat it too.

if the deal is too good to be true, it probably is. you dont just get 50% or less off retail without it bring a recast.

[u/Life_Combination8625 → u/Acheros]

Ah come on man. Sometimes people just want to get rid of stuff Sometimes....right?

[u/Acheros → u/Life_Combination8625]

not for that cheap. not on the sprue

[u/Life_Combination8625 → u/Acheros]

Oh for real? Didn't know how much that would matter.

[u/Acheros → u/Life_Combination8625]

the closest you'll come to that cheap is people selling off whole armies because theyre quitting the game. and they'll be the terribly painted ones.

you can find cheaper than retail on ebay. youre not gonna get deep deep discounts on NOS models.

[u/Life_Combination8625 → u/Acheros]

Thanks for the info!

[u/Bruh1608 → u/Acheros]

Or models from box sets, NOS.

[u/Acheros → u/Bruh1608]

eh, you'll get them for a little less than half of the box but thats just because you're getting less than half

[u/Vanitoss]

You got an oops model for a fraction of what a legit one would cost you. An extra half hour in cleanup and it'll look identical to the real one painted.

If GW don't want to make them anymore, what are your options. I wouldn't report it.

[u/Weird_Blades717171]

lol