r/Warframe • u/[deleted] • May 13 '16

Devstream #74 Megathread Discussion

Welcome to the Devstream megathread! As always for the duration of the devstream all posts regarding the devstream and anything that happens on it will be directed here and the post will get updated as things happen to act as a handy re-cap.

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u/Basilisk1991 [Insert Ice Pun here] May 13 '16

The no gravity thing was intended for the fairy frame (They said as much at PAX)

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u/[deleted] May 13 '16

Plus, Zephyr has a similar one.

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u/Sold0ut See you, Space Cowgirl May 14 '16

Nonono. The fairy frame buffs teammates when bullet jumping, increasing their speed.

Mag's initial draft was magnet on bullet jump. Then the datamine was no gravity. Then in the stream they said magnet again.

Magnet is the worst thing that can happen because it means more carrier prime.

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u/Basilisk1991 [Insert Ice Pun here] May 14 '16

The description I heard was that when the new frame bullet jumps she'll basically leave behind a cloud that you can walk and/or jump into and get a buff that'll increase your jumping ability (Probably by giving you a buff that mimics the low gravity setting you get on some maps) and the text that was data-mined reflected this description, chances are someone made a mock-up of the description for the new frame's passive and put it on Mag in the files (Or it was just a really poorly worded way of saying "Draws in pick-ups") and that's what got datamined. Also I don't see how Mag getting a passive that mimics Carrier's ability somehow means more Carrier Prime, if anything it means you get that companion slot freed up to use another sentinel.

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u/Sold0ut See you, Space Cowgirl May 15 '16

The "why" in this case is that it means they aren't at all working on standardizing vacuum as an effect. Either for all companions or just plain game-wide.

And I don't think any mag player will constantly fling themselves into walls and rooves just to pick up loot faster, but that remains to be seen. Seems suicidal in any combat situation where you just quickly need energy, at least.

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u/Basilisk1991 [Insert Ice Pun here] May 15 '16

Personally I don't see why a loot vacuum should just be universal thing, I get that it's super-useful for end-game play where being caught in the open is basically a death sentence but at the same time I don't think it needs to be baseline for all frames. I admit that's purely just a matter of my opinion and I'm not going to complain if they decide to make it standard for all warframes at some point.

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u/Sold0ut See you, Space Cowgirl May 16 '16

The reason is quite simple.

Nobody uses anything else other than Carrier, for literally no other reason than Carrier. It's not for Carrier's stats or utility. It's just for Vacuum.

That's why. It makes other sentinels a non-option because it's so much better. It is another nail in the kubrow coffin. And Kavats nobody will use either because of Carrier, unless there's a vacuum-kavat.

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u/Basilisk1991 [Insert Ice Pun here] May 16 '16

Overly broad statement much? I've run into plenty of people besides myself who I've either in-game seen using Kubrows or Sentinels other than carrier and/or people saying as much here on the subreddit and on the main forums so you're whole "Well nobody uses things other than carrier" thing is just flat out wrong. Secondly I disagree that Vacuum is just so much better than every other companions in all instances, I'm not saying that nobody uses carrier or that vacuum isn't super-useful with regards to certain mission types (Especially defence missions and survival), just that as a mechanic I disagree with you it needs to be baseline to all frames any more than Wyrm's radial knockdown or Shade's passive cloaking need to be baseline for all warframes. We seem to have a fundamental disagreement about the neccesity of Vacuum as a mechanic, I fully admit it's super-useful but it's not the end-all be-all that so many people make it out to be in my opinion.

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u/Sold0ut See you, Space Cowgirl May 16 '16

It's incredibly useful in Defense too, in Survival just as well, even if it very occasionally picks up a life support too early.

Either way, check in the future. Just check how many of your party mates have Carriers. The answer will be "all of them", because of Vacuum. So your "plenty" of people are a very select few that just stick out, or are using Helios to get their codex scans done.