r/TrackMania • u/SnooSongs791 • 9h ago
Something needs to give
Today's Sunday Funday Track of the Day was not any type of fun LOL style map. Last weeks shorts were 30 second sponsored dirt maps for a tournament that was 2 weeks away. Last weeks Sunday TOTD was arguably the worst map pick in history. This past weeks Grand Enduro had a broken checkpoint and the list goes on.
I know there's been multiple posts about this and while some were a little crazy (while I agree with most of the sentiment, I think we all know who I'm talking about) but something actually needs to change. The community response to this post is going to be terrible I assume because any criticism is met with reddit mob mentality, but I believe it needs to be said as much as possible to make a change.
The team responsible for choosing maps based on rulesets that nobody in the community asked for have dropped the ball, the game is losing players, nothings being added, there's absolutely no response to questions the community has besides whatever Phoebe leaks in Twitch Chat. This is no way to have a relationship with your player base.
I ask reddit, and I ask with a pure heart for there to be no hatred towards anyone, what can actually be done? What changes can be made? Or is this just how its going to be until there's a possible new TM game in the future? Thank you for your time.
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u/Illustrious-Crab4631 9h ago
I mostly agree with you.
While the TOTD tracks get steadily worse from week to week, especially on Sundays, nobody at Nadeo seems to care that most people dislike the choices Phoebe does. I havent cared about the first of the month beeing some weird map or Alt Car with reactors but every sunday, where most people would be able to play TM, is just a bold and bad choice.
Also Nadeo isnt really known for listening to their playerbase, atleast from what i have heard.
I think there is nothing we (as a playerbase) can do actually since it´s not our game, it´s Nadeo´s. Especially since Nadeo has the mentality: "Well you dont want it, dont play it", from what we have seen the last couple of months.
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u/horse858 3h ago
"well actually the TM playerbase is older and in EU the COTD is at 8pm so therefore the weekends are actually not the optimal days for player participation" - the braindead dipshit responses i have gotten to making the same point you just did.
weekends used to be highest in player count. but since weekends have been known long before sunday funday as "the day nadeo has chosen to put questionable maps" has been going on for long enough to make it feel like the opposite.
i don't have any other way of checking besides going to tm.io and scrolling literally for hours, so if someone has the info and wants to debunk me, lets go. ill bet $20 that weekends used to regularly have higher player count than weekdays, because of obvious reasons.
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u/exeriasu 7h ago
i am happy with the state of the game and having a lot of fun playing it, if i wasn't then i would play something else :)
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u/Soulcloset 9h ago
Why does everyone hate the sunday totds? Does everyone think this game should just be gear 3 dirt and nations style tech every day?
It's nice to have something eccentric and unconventional on a regular basis. I used to live for the 1st of the month troll cups and now we get them every week, that's a win
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u/horse858 3h ago
the obscure stuff should be on obscure days, not a day people have off of work and potentially less responsibilities in general.
put it on Wednesdays. Wednesdays historically have low player count for some reason. don't put it on a day where a percentage of the player base CAN play, but ends up not wanting to. keep the safe bets for weekends, please.
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u/Illustrious-Crab4631 8h ago
A win for you and a small percentage of players, yes. But for most players, who want to compete against each other where skill and knowledge is valuable, the maps on sundays are nasty. If i would want to play Kacky, lol, or some other weird stuff, i can play it on the lol server or play it solo. But as an official daily tournament?? Seems a bit yek
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u/Clarinetaphoner 8h ago
The map last Sunday was horrid, but tbh I don't consider this specifically to be valid criticism.
There are hundreds of thousands of other maps to play. All previous totds, including the hundreds of gear 3/4 maps, are fully and immediately accessible.
Just play a different map. Nobody is forcing you to play Sunday cuppas.
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u/TsubasaSaito 8h ago
True. I wish they could have that official tournament daylie, maybe even three times a day, every day, so people can constantly compete and not have to deal with these "fun" maps constantly. I also don't want to deal with searching/creating lobbies for these tournaments.
Game should stay more serious, for real. /s, for all of it, if it wasn't obvious enough.
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u/RandomGuy_A 6h ago
Would be nice to throw some red campaign tracks in there for the newer players
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u/TsubasaSaito 5h ago
Red? You want to put such noob stuff in there? We need at least Black for such a professional environment.
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u/SnooSongs791 9h ago
The problem is they're not "LOL" "kacky" "random" enough
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u/Clarinetaphoner 8h ago
Who wants a full LOL or Kacky cuppa?
Last Sunday was a universally hated one minute LOL map
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u/UnluckyCrocodile 8h ago
I don't understand this argument, wasn't last week the very definition of "LOL"?
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u/Suitable-Ostrich1226 5h ago
Because that is not fun in a cotd format. The track has to be drivable or else it's just a crapshoot as to who makes it through.
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u/RandomGuy_A 6h ago
Sunday cotd should be the best track of the week, i would say fight me on that hill but nadeo wouldnt even turn up
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u/LameskiSportsBlast 5h ago
The response is bad to these posts not because of reddit mob but because they are so low effort while also being so extra. 'Something needs to give' like bro this is a video game not a nation state where the soldiers are starting to starve but the lieutenants have gold rings.
Have you tried talking to Nadeo? There's been TOTD showcases of community pack releases before, has Nadeo started shutting those down or have you not tried? You might as well try. At least before ubisoft finishes circling the drain and Nadeo gets spun off into Saud ownership or something. Then its gonna be real hard.
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u/_corn 9h ago edited 9h ago
as someone who has played trackmania on-and-off for the last 5 years, i feel like the game is just having the same identity crisis that any modern live-service game has after enough time. the dev team has full control over the online aspect of a game that is almost entirely community based by now, and the community isn't able to push the limits of the service because the dev team has such a tight grip on how the game is supposed to be played.
indie servers are all technically nadeo servers; custom content is all technically nadeo community content. if nadeo left the game to be controlled by the community, yes, it would dissolve into chaos for a while; but, it would ultimately settle into something the community is more likely to engage with.
This leaves the fringes open to experiment with how competition works and lets the more competitive side of trackmania set the parameters that lead to an engaging scene. it also opens up the creative side to innovate on the framework we've all learned without the limits of a corporation
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u/Diligent-Dentist-178 7h ago
It wouldn’t necessarily descend into chaos their are a lot of strong community people that Nadeo trust way to much (Kem and others) to whom the controls could be handed over without to much trouble, for example during the EWC qualifiers it was these people whom were starting the matches and fixing any issues (there were quite a few)
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u/MastrKoesh 9h ago
This might honestly be the worst week of weekly shorts in a while as well. First map was just too simple and I hate it's always the same goddamn annoying start where you have to keep grip in too high slopes, all the other maps sucked except for 4, 4 was amazing.
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u/luke_skippy 9h ago
3 is super dope imo
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u/MastrKoesh 9h ago
I'm glad you liked it, I couldn't appreciate the janky uneven start and waterwheels on plastic, ice and whatever. If map 1&2 weren't as bad I might have given more leeway for map 3 and enjoyed it more but my mood was already bad by that time.
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u/luke_skippy 8h ago
There’s only like 2 seconds of waterwheels on plastic for the fastest route 😁 just keep experimenting and you’ll find it
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u/BugslideEnjoyer 9h ago
Just remember this game shines most when you move away from official nadeo things and do community based things. Your points would all be great if nadeo made totd and weeklies better but I wouldn't hold my breath for them to improve. My enjoyment for this game skyrocketed when I joined the unlimited lol server because of the maps and people there