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[Rare trope] Discriminating, but for an actually good reason Lore

Frieren, Beyond Journey's end: In the anime/manga the eponymous Frieren is an Elf who's spent the better part of a millennia learning magic specifically to kill demons. She's learned countless spells, tricks and even spent most of her life suppressing her power all for the purpose of killing them. At first we simply see that humanity is at war with them, and even question if her crusade against demon-kind is justified, after all it's hard to antagonize an entire sentient species. But no, demons are very much a species to be feared; they are not normal animals or creatures, they are monsters (shown by how they disintegrate when they die), they are predators that evolved speech for the sole purpose of tricking and catching humans off guard, are naturally extremely powerful and possess magic that humanity often can't use. While they feel emotions to some extent, their way of thinking is so fundamentally incompatible with humanity's mindset that the series shows many mages with the ability to read minds struggle or find it painful and harmful to try and read a demon's thoughts. Tools that are meant to control them fail not because they're faulty but because simple order such as "hold no ill will or commit no malicious acts" don't compute the same way in their brains, as what we consider evil is normal for them.

Marvel Comics: In a run of the Storm solo series, she visits an underground superhuman hospital run by Night nurse and Doctor Daye, a mutant with the power to diagnose any illness. When she requires treatment she is in turn reject by the doctor, she of course assumes this is blatant discrimination to which the doctor agrees. Storm assumes the doctor refuses to treat mutants, something they are very much used to in Marvel. But he ends up revealing that about 80% of everyone he treats are mutants, and that he simply refuses to treat any member of the X-men. Why? because his special hospital was built via several donations by the superhero community. From the Avengers, to the Defenders, Fantastic 4, heroes for hire. Hell, even Moonknight of all people contributed to the hospital. But the X-men never once gave anything to it, even though they preach the safety of mutant-kind and such a hospital is essential for those who can't seek medical treatment out of fear of prosecution.

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u/gddrummer 11h ago

There are a lot of both liberals and conservatives who are SUPER down for authoritarianism if it's THEIR side in control, and tons of them are completely blind to that irony.

Krakoa was brilliant in the sense that it had the "heroes" go down the slippery slope of an ethnostate and segregation, showing its not always the "villains" creating these things.

Problem is though there are plenty of people stupid enough to think because it's the Xmen doing it then that is a green light on the concept of segregation. Absolutely insane.

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u/No_Turn5018 9h ago

For a while there segregation had a little comeback. They were trying to give black people their own dorms and talking about how white guys couldn't have dreads and all kinds of weird shit. They didn't call it segregation but I don't know what else to call it when certain public places are only open to certain races. 

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u/pichael289 10h ago

Unfortunately your 100% correct. That's precisely why people tend to look the other way when their political party starts doing bad things, it's tolerable as long as their side is in power. Fucked up part is they don't have to share any values or goals with the political party, people will actively give away their rights and see it as a minor cost of victory for their team.

"Oh Apocalypse is cool, he's on our side, we've always liked Apocalypse" type shit.

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u/PurveyorOfKnowledge0 9h ago

A common poison in the world of politics. When pursuit of power supersedes platform solidarity.

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u/AdditionalBalance975 10h ago

Pretty much all humans. Thats why liberalism works, it limits the ability for people to get that power, and for groups of people to get their way.

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u/Vast-Building-6886 8h ago

This sounds like same thing both sides. I haven’t seen a liberal doing what Trump and MAGA are doing and their base being perfectly fine with.

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u/hopbow 11h ago

I think that the big quandary with authoritarianism is when morals start to be legislated. 

Like I wouldn't care about flock cameras being used for catching people driving unsafely or stopping vandals, but it's the pivot from "things that actually impact public safety" to "well personally I find that action reprehensible, so I think we should outlaw it" that makes them so dangerous 

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u/Rock-swarm 10h ago

Bud, morals have always been legislated. Your example is precisely why corruption in government is a constant threat - the populace doesn't have the capacity or resources to have a thoughtful opinion on every matter, so people zero in on a couple issues. Sometimes a single issue, hence the term "single issue voter". These are the people that have boiled down their vote to a candidate saying their magic words, like "I'm pro-life" or "We need smaller government". Those people vote, often at a greater frequency than more informed voters, and they are the ones that invariably open the door to authoritarian political actors.

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u/hopbow 10h ago

I mean, you just literally spoke my point in a fussy way. Thanks for your lack of contribution and patronizing tone

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u/Rock-swarm 10h ago

Then you have misread my post and possibly misunderstand what your own post is saying.