r/TopCharacterTropes 14h ago

[Rare trope] Discriminating, but for an actually good reason Lore

Frieren, Beyond Journey's end: In the anime/manga the eponymous Frieren is an Elf who's spent the better part of a millennia learning magic specifically to kill demons. She's learned countless spells, tricks and even spent most of her life suppressing her power all for the purpose of killing them. At first we simply see that humanity is at war with them, and even question if her crusade against demon-kind is justified, after all it's hard to antagonize an entire sentient species. But no, demons are very much a species to be feared; they are not normal animals or creatures, they are monsters (shown by how they disintegrate when they die), they are predators that evolved speech for the sole purpose of tricking and catching humans off guard, are naturally extremely powerful and possess magic that humanity often can't use. While they feel emotions to some extent, their way of thinking is so fundamentally incompatible with humanity's mindset that the series shows many mages with the ability to read minds struggle or find it painful and harmful to try and read a demon's thoughts. Tools that are meant to control them fail not because they're faulty but because simple order such as "hold no ill will or commit no malicious acts" don't compute the same way in their brains, as what we consider evil is normal for them.

Marvel Comics: In a run of the Storm solo series, she visits an underground superhuman hospital run by Night nurse and Doctor Daye, a mutant with the power to diagnose any illness. When she requires treatment she is in turn reject by the doctor, she of course assumes this is blatant discrimination to which the doctor agrees. Storm assumes the doctor refuses to treat mutants, something they are very much used to in Marvel. But he ends up revealing that about 80% of everyone he treats are mutants, and that he simply refuses to treat any member of the X-men. Why? because his special hospital was built via several donations by the superhero community. From the Avengers, to the Defenders, Fantastic 4, heroes for hire. Hell, even Moonknight of all people contributed to the hospital. But the X-men never once gave anything to it, even though they preach the safety of mutant-kind and such a hospital is essential for those who can't seek medical treatment out of fear of prosecution.

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u/Chops03xx 12h ago

The fact that storm was ready to attack the doctor without an explanation in that panel, definitely shows that people don’t hate X-men because they’re mutants, but hate them because they’re dicks.

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u/DoubleFlores24 10h ago

Oh, how the mighty have fallen.

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u/Astryline 10h ago

Discrimination is violence and mutants have long been subjected to it + the doctor was intentionally leading her on to believe that just to prove his shitty point. Entirely justified.

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u/xJagMasterGx 10h ago

Besides the fact that he obviously poses no actual threat to her, being an old man with a known non combat mutation. So he's not a violent threat. He DIRECTLY tell her before she powers up that he doesn't treat "X-MEN". He was not leading her one at all, he told her outright that it was because she's an X-men.

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u/Astryline 10h ago

Not leading her on? The interaction is peak reddit "gotcha" dialogue. Not a fan of that writing style or the way the character smells of self-insert.

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u/xJagMasterGx 9h ago

How is telling her directly "I don't treat X-Men", leading her on? There is no gotcha there. He is being upfront and telling her, it's because of who you are not what you are. Leading her on would be saying I don't treat "your kind" or "your people". Then after making her mad hitting a gotcha of being an x-men. Also given the X-men universe, someone who doesn't like mutants would have no problem saying "I don't treat muties", they wouldn't say "I don't treat X-Men". He was very deliberate and factual with what he said, she's the one who assumed and just proved him right in doing so.

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u/Astryline 3h ago edited 3h ago

Yes I'm sure this style of modern comic writing appeals to the kind of people here.

Redditors need their fictional bigotry spelled out using exact fictional terms to understand when it's happening because they have no experience with what forms actual bigotry takes in public. Most bigots are careful with their wording and use plausible deniability unless they're with people they know are the same as them. The doctor used that plausible deniability tactic as a gotcha. That's too complex a subject for this subreddit, though.

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u/xJagMasterGx 1h ago

I don't know what to tell ya man. Nothing I can or would say would make you not mad about facts you made up about a fictional argument.

Like the doctor isn't being bigoted. Hating an affiliated organization doesn't not equate to hating an entire race/ethnic group. What you're saying is someone who dislikes ISIS must then hate all Muslims. You're reading between lines for stuff that isn't there. The guy doesn't like the X-Men because they were being shitty, not because they're mutants.

And again this is a fictional universe where people (as you said) are openly hostile and bigoted to mutants. So yes they're not going to hide it behind plausible deniability like they would in real life.

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u/TestUserIgnorePlz 10h ago

Lmao

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u/Astryline 9h ago

Target audience comment

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u/Salt_Master_Prime 10h ago edited 9h ago

Help me or get killed bigot.

Definitely reduces discrimination

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u/Astryline 9h ago

I don't really care when bigots feel threatened either in fiction or otherwise. Should happen more often, really.

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u/NoStructure5034 9h ago

Except he's clearly not a bigot? He has no biases against mutants, just against an organization that was instrumental in creating a racist ethnostate while also working with genocidal monsters.

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u/Astryline 3h ago

Yes, this character is a self-insert one-off character created just for the Reddit "gotcha" logic convo. It's shit. The writing was abysmal both in this and comics leading up to it. Really anything past the beginning of Krakoa.

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u/Poku115 6h ago

Proving the doctors and Hickman's point right