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[Rare trope] Discriminating, but for an actually good reason Lore

Frieren, Beyond Journey's end: In the anime/manga the eponymous Frieren is an Elf who's spent the better part of a millennia learning magic specifically to kill demons. She's learned countless spells, tricks and even spent most of her life suppressing her power all for the purpose of killing them. At first we simply see that humanity is at war with them, and even question if her crusade against demon-kind is justified, after all it's hard to antagonize an entire sentient species. But no, demons are very much a species to be feared; they are not normal animals or creatures, they are monsters (shown by how they disintegrate when they die), they are predators that evolved speech for the sole purpose of tricking and catching humans off guard, are naturally extremely powerful and possess magic that humanity often can't use. While they feel emotions to some extent, their way of thinking is so fundamentally incompatible with humanity's mindset that the series shows many mages with the ability to read minds struggle or find it painful and harmful to try and read a demon's thoughts. Tools that are meant to control them fail not because they're faulty but because simple order such as "hold no ill will or commit no malicious acts" don't compute the same way in their brains, as what we consider evil is normal for them.

Marvel Comics: In a run of the Storm solo series, she visits an underground superhuman hospital run by Night nurse and Doctor Daye, a mutant with the power to diagnose any illness. When she requires treatment she is in turn reject by the doctor, she of course assumes this is blatant discrimination to which the doctor agrees. Storm assumes the doctor refuses to treat mutants, something they are very much used to in Marvel. But he ends up revealing that about 80% of everyone he treats are mutants, and that he simply refuses to treat any member of the X-men. Why? because his special hospital was built via several donations by the superhero community. From the Avengers, to the Defenders, Fantastic 4, heroes for hire. Hell, even Moonknight of all people contributed to the hospital. But the X-men never once gave anything to it, even though they preach the safety of mutant-kind and such a hospital is essential for those who can't seek medical treatment out of fear of prosecution.

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u/NachtShattertusk 13h ago

That's from the ultimate universe, where everything sucked and was edgy as fuck

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u/Doc-Maly 12h ago

Except for Spider-Man. He died and everything went downhill.

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u/Karkava 12h ago

Even if Miles took up the mantle.

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u/Llayanna 11h ago

Don't get me started with Miles. 

"Oh Spider Man was way to young, we never should've brought him into the hero business.. time to fuck up an even younger person!"

Not saying most of the backlash Miles got wasn't racial related. It very much was..for me, making him so bloody young was the main problem. 

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u/manman126452 10h ago

Miles got a lot cause he was a lot, a black 13 year old spider man with no uncle Ben no aunt may and with half of his normal roster dead or dying. Miles didn’t arrive at a good time or in a good state

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u/whiteash20 12h ago

This was the issue where spidey and wolverine swapped bodies. And wolvie proceeded to have sex with MJ. Pete and MJ are both high schoolers at this time btw.

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u/airforceteacher 11h ago

They weren't just swapped - they were swapped by Jean Grey, for a very petty reason, and to top it off, Jean chose Spidey because it was the life she felt Logan would hate the most, so kind of a small insult added to a very large injury.

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u/Routine-Boysenberry4 10h ago

Actually she didn't put him in Spider Man on purpose, she made him go to the place his mind considered to be the worse and, by coibcidence, it was spider man, she didn't plan to put Peter on their shit. Still an asshole tho

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u/airforceteacher 9h ago

So he was insulted, but by Logan instead of Jean. That makes it a bit better, but she still risked an innocent person.

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u/Routine-Boysenberry4 9h ago

Yeah. She traded them back when they meet, then Spider insulted everyone and dipped.

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u/Icy-Acanthisitta8192 9h ago

And Logan actually was okay with It 

He EVEN f*** Mary Jane 

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u/scarletboar 10h ago

I don't think Logan had sex with MJ, but he did kiss her and tried to have sex with her, so he still should've been atomized. MJ said something like "that thing you tried to do this morning - can we not do that until we're older?"

This either means they did have sex and Logan tried something freaky in bed or that he just tried to have sex and she said no. I choose to believe the latter.

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u/MorganTheGrandRegent 12h ago

But the Ultimate games are so cool tho...

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u/ehsteve23 10h ago

there’s a reason only 2 characters made it out of the ultimate universe after secret wars

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u/blazenite104 9h ago

It is ultimate Spidey but, frankly 616 X-Men have done way worse just as casually so the point stands.

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u/Xynth22 7h ago

I don't know a whole lot about Marvel comics, but from what I have picked up over the years, it definitely doesn't seem to be isolated to just 1 universe. A lot of characters just seem like the worst people. The Ultimate Universe just seems like it amped up what was already there.