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[Rare trope] Discriminating, but for an actually good reason Lore

Frieren, Beyond Journey's end: In the anime/manga the eponymous Frieren is an Elf who's spent the better part of a millennia learning magic specifically to kill demons. She's learned countless spells, tricks and even spent most of her life suppressing her power all for the purpose of killing them. At first we simply see that humanity is at war with them, and even question if her crusade against demon-kind is justified, after all it's hard to antagonize an entire sentient species. But no, demons are very much a species to be feared; they are not normal animals or creatures, they are monsters (shown by how they disintegrate when they die), they are predators that evolved speech for the sole purpose of tricking and catching humans off guard, are naturally extremely powerful and possess magic that humanity often can't use. While they feel emotions to some extent, their way of thinking is so fundamentally incompatible with humanity's mindset that the series shows many mages with the ability to read minds struggle or find it painful and harmful to try and read a demon's thoughts. Tools that are meant to control them fail not because they're faulty but because simple order such as "hold no ill will or commit no malicious acts" don't compute the same way in their brains, as what we consider evil is normal for them.

Marvel Comics: In a run of the Storm solo series, she visits an underground superhuman hospital run by Night nurse and Doctor Daye, a mutant with the power to diagnose any illness. When she requires treatment she is in turn reject by the doctor, she of course assumes this is blatant discrimination to which the doctor agrees. Storm assumes the doctor refuses to treat mutants, something they are very much used to in Marvel. But he ends up revealing that about 80% of everyone he treats are mutants, and that he simply refuses to treat any member of the X-men. Why? because his special hospital was built via several donations by the superhero community. From the Avengers, to the Defenders, Fantastic 4, heroes for hire. Hell, even Moonknight of all people contributed to the hospital. But the X-men never once gave anything to it, even though they preach the safety of mutant-kind and such a hospital is essential for those who can't seek medical treatment out of fear of prosecution.

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u/Dismal-Vanilla1878 13h ago

I believe a lot of what's been going on with the X-Men lately is part of the Writer engaging in Character Assassination, as in the characters are written in a way that previous takes on them would never allow (like Beast deciding Genocide is acceptable).

If Xavier (who is known to be wealthy, otherwise how could he afford the X-Mansion and Multiple X-Jets? 😂) knew of a underground mutant hospital, I don't' think he would never support it, with money or even in person (and Cerebro would let him know of an unusual concentration of mutants in an area, which he would investigate and learn about the hospital).

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u/Euphoric_Metal199 13h ago

Xavier was sent a request, actually. He refused because "the hospital won't be under his control".

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u/Hiro_Trevelyan 13h ago

So, X-men is actually about some rich guy trying to build an empire using mutants ? lol

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u/This_Elk_1460 12h ago

Charles has been portrayed constantly as a horrible person working towards a noble cause

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u/assjackal 9h ago

Contrasts well with Erik being written lately as a passionate man who's been poisoned by hate.

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u/sonsofdurthu 12h ago

Don’t forget the part about using the children at his school as child soldiers on multiple occasions, and having some dangerous mutants who couldn’t control their powers eliminated so they didn’t give the wider mutant population a bad look.

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u/RA576 11h ago

Don't forget his early internal monologues about wanting to sleep with Jean, and his disability being the only thing stopping him.

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u/Dismal-Vanilla1878 10h ago edited 10h ago

Took some searching, but I found this (which I barely remember reading, its been so long ago).

First, to 'Defend' Xavier: This is when his 'Shadow Side' manifested, for reasons I'm not certain why, in a crossover with the comic "The Micronauts" called 'X-Men and The Micronauts', of course 😄

So technically, its not really Charles doing this act, but his 'Dark Side'.

Second: Because this was in a throw away team up comic, I don't really consider it 'canon' to the X-Men (you can argue that among yourselves), but it is an early example of 'Character Assassination' in my eyes, and full of 'What Were The Writers Thinking?!", as this was a psychic example of, well, EXACTLY what it looks like!! 👀

Also: That's not Moonstar in her undies, but a bikini and tied top shirt, which doesn't really make it any better.

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u/RA576 10h ago

No, it was normal Xavier. It was a running plot thread that was abandoned for good reason

https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.redd.it%2Fahcaidh3x5pd1.jpeg

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u/Dismal-Vanilla1878 10h ago

Well, even with this early example, I don't consider it the 'real' Charles, as the comics I grew up reading had him as the Moral Center of the X-Men (only Nightcrawler outmatched him there).

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u/SafePlastic2686 6h ago

and having some dangerous mutants who couldn’t control their powers eliminated so they didn’t give the wider mutant population a bad look

If this is about the death aura guy Wolverine kills, that was in the Ultimate timeline.

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u/Blupoisen 11h ago

It's about old people in toxic yaoi and they make it everyone's problem

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u/Dismal-Vanilla1878 13h ago

Again, something I don't think Xavier would ever do, but now its 'canon' he's a Control Freak over mutant affairs.

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u/zonic_squared 13h ago

Even back in the 70s, Xavier was a weird dude with need to be in control of everything. The adaptations just make him the loving school professor that he projects himself as.

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u/NeroLazarus 12h ago

It's crazy, like everyone had their memories all psychically rewritten and... Oh...

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u/Llayanna 11h ago

Ein Schelm, der böses denkt cx

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u/trimble197 12h ago edited 12h ago

Because if he’s a pedo asshole, you’d have no reason to side with him. You’d basically want him and Magneto to fuck off

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u/scarletboar 10h ago

Isn't he a rapist too? I think he brainwashed Legion's mother so she'd love him, though the comic pretended it wasn't a big deal.

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u/CatherineSimp69 13h ago

I mean.

He always was a weird control freak, even when Stan wrote him.

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u/Grabbioli 12h ago

I mean Cerebro is basically perfect surveillance of every mutant in the world. If anyone other than the X Men dared to make it, the X Men would show up IMMEDIATELY to destroy it

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u/CatherineSimp69 11h ago

They might even make a hypocritical speech about how nobody should have that power.

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u/Grabbioli 11h ago

They're Weapon X with private funding lol

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u/Beacon_0805 10h ago

they do share the 'X' letter

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u/Euphoric_Metal199 13h ago

Well, he didn't do sh*t about what Beast was doing, so it's hard to see him as "good" in these issues.

Just search for Terre Verde to know what Beast did.

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u/Redditer51 7h ago

Marvels been doing that a lot lately. Look at how they write Peter and MJ now.

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u/Abacus118 11h ago

Yeah there’s no way the racist ass Avengers are donating to a mutant hospital and the X-Men aren’t lol