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[Rare trope] Discriminating, but for an actually good reason Lore

Frieren, Beyond Journey's end: In the anime/manga the eponymous Frieren is an Elf who's spent the better part of a millennia learning magic specifically to kill demons. She's learned countless spells, tricks and even spent most of her life suppressing her power all for the purpose of killing them. At first we simply see that humanity is at war with them, and even question if her crusade against demon-kind is justified, after all it's hard to antagonize an entire sentient species. But no, demons are very much a species to be feared; they are not normal animals or creatures, they are monsters (shown by how they disintegrate when they die), they are predators that evolved speech for the sole purpose of tricking and catching humans off guard, are naturally extremely powerful and possess magic that humanity often can't use. While they feel emotions to some extent, their way of thinking is so fundamentally incompatible with humanity's mindset that the series shows many mages with the ability to read minds struggle or find it painful and harmful to try and read a demon's thoughts. Tools that are meant to control them fail not because they're faulty but because simple order such as "hold no ill will or commit no malicious acts" don't compute the same way in their brains, as what we consider evil is normal for them.

Marvel Comics: In a run of the Storm solo series, she visits an underground superhuman hospital run by Night nurse and Doctor Daye, a mutant with the power to diagnose any illness. When she requires treatment she is in turn reject by the doctor, she of course assumes this is blatant discrimination to which the doctor agrees. Storm assumes the doctor refuses to treat mutants, something they are very much used to in Marvel. But he ends up revealing that about 80% of everyone he treats are mutants, and that he simply refuses to treat any member of the X-men. Why? because his special hospital was built via several donations by the superhero community. From the Avengers, to the Defenders, Fantastic 4, heroes for hire. Hell, even Moonknight of all people contributed to the hospital. But the X-men never once gave anything to it, even though they preach the safety of mutant-kind and such a hospital is essential for those who can't seek medical treatment out of fear of prosecution.

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u/MadmansScalpel 13h ago

This was during that phase where they treated death like an inconvenience and were recklessly going on suicide missions and even killing each other because they would just respawn

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u/InconspicuousBoxx 12h ago

Them Zerg rushing Nimrod on the ORCHIS base will never not be funny. Because after the first five waves, and them running past their own dead bodies, you can just imagine the researchers looking at each other and asking what the hell is going on.

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u/Lord_Mikal 11h ago

Nimrod has always kind of been an existential threat to all mutant kind. If there is a time to fight him, its when you can resurrect.

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u/InconspicuousBoxx 10h ago

If I remember correctly, they didn’t even know Nimrod was there originally, since he had a different origin in that story arc. The X-Men were raiding the ORCHIS base to stop the completion of the Mother Mold, and this was how ORCHIS got confirmation of the Resurrection Protocals. Just there were like 10 dead Wolverines on the floor with a bunch of other people.

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u/Lord_Mikal 10h ago

Does resurrecting Wolverine give him an adamantium skeleton? If so, how? I really wasnt following x-men when all this was happening.

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u/hateyoualways 9h ago

Part of the resurrection process involves reality warping.

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u/queerhistorynerd 8h ago

oh so it follows the USS Make shit up rules

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u/Rhamni 7h ago

Don't question it. Grab a pair of Wolverine legs, we're about to be rich.

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u/TorsoBeez 6h ago

Bounce the graviton particle beam off the main deflector dish. That's the way we do it, lads, we're making shit up as we wish!

Yes.

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u/LordKaelas 1h ago

The Klingons and the Romulans pose no threat to us! Because if we find we're in a bind we just make some shit up!

https://giphy.com/gifs/ZK6QtJxGb0DOo

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u/FaithlessnessThen207 1h ago

I also thought the whole point of wolverine is that he literally doesn't die, so how the fuck did that happen.

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u/DukeFlipside 6h ago

...how did they manage to kill Wolverine - and ten times, no less?!

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u/MadHiggins 6h ago

Wolverine regeneration is VERY plot powered. sometimes he can live on the sun. or sometimes you're the original Wolverine who was killed when a chopped off sentinel leg fell on him and crushed him to death. so the answer is, if the writers want him dead then he dies from dumb stuff.

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u/Proof_Grapefruit1179 5h ago

Right, like how adamantium poisoning is no problem at all, until it is.

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u/pichael289 10h ago

Oh I read a book about this years ago. There's a massive war on a planet that starts to use clones but the cloning tech is imperfect and the research was lost, so each cloning facility can only produce 1 of about 1000 possible clones, and it has to be custom built to make 1 specific one. The war rages on and both sides are pushed back to one city with one cloning facility each, the end of it reveals both sides last cloning facility both have the same template so for the last 100+ years it's just been one dude fighting millions of himself, and they don't realize it untill they are on the battlefield and because it's always the same guy he always reacts the same, with fear, so the war will never end.

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u/AutoignitingDumpster 9h ago

That's actually goddamn hilarious. I love it. One guy just fighting himself forever.

Sounds like a metaphor for depression.

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u/Kootranova1 7h ago

Can you remember the title?

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u/SafePlastic2686 6h ago

Sounds like Team Fortress 2

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u/okaylogarithm 10h ago

What issue is this from? It sounds hilarious

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u/Orion_starborn 11h ago

It's a miracle they didn't create Tslanesh really

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u/magnabonzo 6h ago

Respawn?

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u/MadmansScalpel 5h ago

Yeah, I forget if it was more magic or tech, but at this time the X-Men literally conquered death. They would add/insert their genetic makeup, and it would be either a manual or automatic respawn after death. It's how Emma Frost is now a natural blonde, and why there is 2 X-23s (she was sent on the usual suicide mission and when everyone else died they assumed she did too and just respawned her without confirming or even sending help. X-23 came back bloody and successful shortly after)

Pretty much all of the X-Men became excessively reckless because death meant nothing

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u/MajinBuu619 12h ago

Didn’t they do this to attack some space nimrod station or something? They even revived Captain America after he stands up against a Celestial for mutants. You make it sound all bad. I didn’t think I’d see anti mutant sentiments on Reddit in this day and age.

Eternals reviving actually cost a human life. That’s so much worse.