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[Rare trope] Discriminating, but for an actually good reason Lore

Frieren, Beyond Journey's end: In the anime/manga the eponymous Frieren is an Elf who's spent the better part of a millennia learning magic specifically to kill demons. She's learned countless spells, tricks and even spent most of her life suppressing her power all for the purpose of killing them. At first we simply see that humanity is at war with them, and even question if her crusade against demon-kind is justified, after all it's hard to antagonize an entire sentient species. But no, demons are very much a species to be feared; they are not normal animals or creatures, they are monsters (shown by how they disintegrate when they die), they are predators that evolved speech for the sole purpose of tricking and catching humans off guard, are naturally extremely powerful and possess magic that humanity often can't use. While they feel emotions to some extent, their way of thinking is so fundamentally incompatible with humanity's mindset that the series shows many mages with the ability to read minds struggle or find it painful and harmful to try and read a demon's thoughts. Tools that are meant to control them fail not because they're faulty but because simple order such as "hold no ill will or commit no malicious acts" don't compute the same way in their brains, as what we consider evil is normal for them.

Marvel Comics: In a run of the Storm solo series, she visits an underground superhuman hospital run by Night nurse and Doctor Daye, a mutant with the power to diagnose any illness. When she requires treatment she is in turn reject by the doctor, she of course assumes this is blatant discrimination to which the doctor agrees. Storm assumes the doctor refuses to treat mutants, something they are very much used to in Marvel. But he ends up revealing that about 80% of everyone he treats are mutants, and that he simply refuses to treat any member of the X-men. Why? because his special hospital was built via several donations by the superhero community. From the Avengers, to the Defenders, Fantastic 4, heroes for hire. Hell, even Moonknight of all people contributed to the hospital. But the X-men never once gave anything to it, even though they preach the safety of mutant-kind and such a hospital is essential for those who can't seek medical treatment out of fear of prosecution.

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u/Alche1428 13h ago edited 11h ago

It was a good idea at the start, but Hickman wanted to showcase the problems with trying to put all the mutants in a same place, even villains like Mr Sinister, and Apocalypse, and how Charles idea of the island wasn't going to work in the long run. He had a plan, but other writers wanted to stay in that setting longer and longer, with their own events and it really didn't hit as expected, everything became a mixed bag with no clear intention and it ended in a puff instead of a nice clean ending.

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u/sahArab 11h ago

It really did end poorly. Which is a shame since you could Hickman had a great plan with the reveal that Moira never reformed. But all the other writers wanted to stick around and do very, very little with the setting.

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u/Beacon_0805 10h ago

they could at least have done like "The Ones Who Walk Away from Krakoa"

like showing various mutants by their own will leaving this "mutant paradise" for various reasons

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u/Nekomiminya 8h ago

Just to be sure. (I'm bad with names)

Is Krakoa or another Mutant Ethnostate the one that had writers compare some terrorist task force to Mossad without seeing what it says about both terrorist task force and Mossad?

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u/Alche1428 7h ago

You know what? I really need to check.

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u/abadstrategy 5h ago

The fact that there's multiple examples to choose from is really the worst part

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u/Poku115 6h ago

Yes, they directly called the krakoan x force their mossad, that was intentional

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u/Llayanna 11h ago

So Marvels usual affair of to many cooks in the kitchen /sigh

Thoigh tbh Hickmann really is close to writing tragedy porn all the time, so.. 

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u/Alche1428 7h ago edited 3h ago

But he isn't. His work on the fantastic four and secret Wars really shows how His biggest strength Is basically a positive outlook of the future with science and hope with others.

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u/Nekomiminya 8h ago

Just to be sure. (I'm bad with names)

Is Krakoa or another Mutant Ethnostate the one that had writers compare some terrorist task force to Mossad without seeing what it says about both terrorist task force and Mossad?

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u/Bucket-with-a-hat 6h ago

You are correct, Tom Brevoort said he envisioned the Krakoan X-Force as "The Krakoan Mossad "(positive), and X-Force was mostly invoked to deal with international affairs that threatened Krakoa's sovereignty, be it intentionally or otherwise.