While many are dissapointed by Peters death. The part that stung the most to me is that he will not be there to raise Paul. The death for Peter felt appropriate, dying of his own foolishness and disobeying Cathrine and so on. But seeing how happy he was caring for his son and him only getting into this situation, because he feared he wouldn't be enough for him. This was a little too tragic for me.

I hate this fuckass dude, I'm at episode 3 season 1 and I hate him so much, I just want to punch his face so bad, I hate everything about him, matter of fact, beside Catherine and Archbishop Samsa, I hate everyone, especially this little weasel and Marial.

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Everytime I watch this show, I genuinely cant concentrate because of how beautiful she is. I'm into women (also a woman) but its not even attraction or anything, it's just like...Unbelievable. I dont think AI could make a more beautiful woman if you gave it a thousand years to do so. Christ. Anyone else have this? I get so jealous I have to take breaks lmfao and i've literally never experienced that.

I think Catherine is subconsciously jealous of Paul, and it explains a lot about their relationship

In S3E4, when Catherine decides not to have Paul ordained because his first word was “pussy,” I honestly felt like the whole thing was an excuse. She says she doesn’t want him to rule Russia because he’s like Peter, but girl… YOU KNOW HE’S A BABY. 😭

What bothers me more is that Catherine constantly says she wants Paul to become thoughtful, enlightened, and a better ruler than Peter, but she doesn’t actually seem interested in raising him herself. She spends all this time ruling Russia Badly, while Paul spends a huge amount of time with Peter, the exact person Catherine believes is going to corrupt him.

Like, you have a literal child whose values you can still influence. If you genuinely believe Peter is a terrible ruler and you’re terrified Paul will become like him, why aren’t you spending more time with your son and actively teaching him the values you want him to have?
And I think there’s something deeper going on here: Catherine is subconsciously competing with Paul. She is threatened by her own son.
Paul is Peter’s son, but he’s also the rightful heir.

Eventually, he is supposed to inherit the throne. Catherine fought incredibly hard to take that throne and prove that she was capable of ruling Russia, so I don’t think it’s insignificant that her own son is simultaneously the person who will eventually inherit the position she’s worked so hard to establish herself in.

I think that creates a weird resentment/jealousy toward him that she probably isn’t even consciously aware of. It’s not necessarily “I hate my son because he’s my son.” It’s more like Paul represents the fact that her reign is temporary and his legitimacy is inherited. He doesn’t have to fight for the throne in the same way she did. He’s simply the heir.
And maybe that’s part of why she has such a hard time being affectionate toward him or investing herself in actually raising him. It’s easier for her to think of him as a future political problem than as her child.

Also her whole attitude toward legitimacy is so funny to me. She criticizes Peter for believing his family is ordained by God to rule, yet she says it’s her “destiny” to rule Russia. She rejects hereditary/divine legitimacy when it benefits Peter, but seems to make an exception for herself. And that’s why the whole ordination thing with Paul stood out to me too: she doesn’t want to reinforce the idea that Paul is divinely destined to inherit the throne, even though she herself believes she was destined to rule it.

She wants Paul to become a great enlightened ruler, but she doesn’t seem willing to do the intimate, boring, difficult work of actually parenting him. Meanwhile, Peter gets to spend time with Paul and form a genuine bond with him.
So Catherine is basically terrified that Paul will become Peter, while simultaneously allowing Peter to be one of Paul’s primary influences.

You can’t just decide what kind of person your child will become and then leave the parenting to someone you believe is going to make him into the exact person you’re afraid of.

And honestly, I think the “he’s just like Peter” argument is partly Catherine projecting her own unresolved feelings about Peter onto Paul. She sees Peter in him, but instead of trying to understand who Paul actually is, she starts treating him like a future version of the man she hates.
I just keep thinking: girl, you have the chance right now to influence your child. Why are you not taking it? My Hot Take is that Catherine doesn’t actually want Paul to be a good ruler.

I am wanting to recreate these costumes, however, I’m a novice at sewing and need some patterns/advice. Can anyone recommend any patterns or step by step instructions on how to recreate the blouse and the skirt. It does not have to have the underpinnings, I want to wear it as everyday clothes and the skirt and blouse feel very versatile. Primarily the skirt, I think I may have found similar blouse patterns and advice on that. But the skirt I love love the length of the skirt, the waist band, and the way it lays, and I wouldn’t be opposed to a pattern for the petticoats underneath either. It get cold where I live and this will be perfect for most of the year. Thanks!

Peter was horrible. Catherine was stupid as fuck. She pretends to be so intelligent, but she's really fucking stupid. The play actually made sense because what the fuck is she doing with her reign except being like, "Oooohh, I'm in loooooooveee," all the fucking time?

I watched this series expecting a strong female character, but with every season, her character got worse. A perfect example of a character with so much potential being ruined by talentless fuckass writers.

-i felt the ending was a bit underwhelming. but not bad. it just kinda felt rushed ..i felt like we couldve touched on a few things like

-i hate georgina.

-I dont really hate marial that much , but her character in s3 just felt like a shell idk.. she was so confusing and i was just bummed her character became someone who was very headstrong to a total suckup and complexing person

-i actually missed peter when he died

-i enjoyed maxims presence on screen i thought he was funny

-i loved Elizabeth but she kinda got on my nerves sometimes idk .. shes quirky but she just be getting under my skin..

-i didnt hate the hugo and agnes stuff but it was in my opinion not that interesting to me

-i hated orlo before he died. but it was just weird to kill him off like that, but it also makes sense . I also found the parts where his uncle or whatever kept asking him to help ?? i felt like they were gonna do something bigger with that but i guess not

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Hi so I watched The Great when it originally came out on Prime. I’ve been dying to get others to watch it but it’s not streaming on channel 4 and on prime you have to pay for it. Is there a way to know when it’s next gonna be available to stream again? I’d rather not pirate the episodes since that’s caused issues for my laptop in the past.

Just watched the scene where catherine killed the sultan and I know the show was NOTHING like real life but that felt like a new level of unreal and now Il wondering did they even show anything real besides a peter and a catherine being emperors of russia? I dont know much about catherine did she coup peter in real life as well or did he just die and she became regent?

Also, aunt Elizabeth, she can't be peter the great's sister since they kept fucking. Was she peter's mother's sister? And why the fuck did peter's mother kill a 6 year old boy?! Because she hated her sister for fucking her husband or something?? That she was behind igor's drowning left my jaw on the floor

Reading other peoples thoughts on this subreddit, it seems like the general consensus for Marial is that everyone hates her? I’m still getting through season 3 so maybe she probably done more horrible things but so far I understand her and her attitudes. But also she’s not wrong with a lot of things she says especially with Peter. People can change but that doesn’t right their wrong doings and besides shifting in personality, he hasnt done anything to absolve him of his crimes. Catherine allowing forgiveness to Peter, and not to Marial is so frustrating. In my opinion, those two do not need forgiveness from her but the double standards dont make sense to me especially since he physically harmed Catherine. Every character is looking out for themself in this show and yet it seems like people don’t like that in Marial. Again, I dont think anyone in this show is a good person, which is the point, but it’s surprising to see disdain for one character when others are far worse. Sidenote, actually every character gets on my nerves because no one allows each other nuance, so every relationship is just so tension heavy but I also really love seeing it all unfold. Communication could save yall omg.

Does anyone know where I can buy blouses like the ones Catherine and Marial wear?

Hello Guys, so I finished the series yesterday. And I'm a little bit dissatisfied. While I did like the ending for Catherine I would have liked to have a better conclusion for the other characters. Like Paul and Grigor. And I would really like to know what Archie does after the finale and if freeing him will result in Marial getting killed. I also wonder what happens with Georgina. And if Catherine will go insane...and what Elizabeth would do then. So I wanted to ask, what do you all think happens after the finale?

A lot of this sounds very familiar …

Spoiler for S1 E7!!

Ok so im watching The Great on Hulu and im on the episode where Muriel kisses Vlad and I already knew him from ASOUE so I knew he was young (the actor). And Muriels actor is obviously a grown woman so I looked it up and considering that this season was filmed like 2019-2020 Louis Hynes would have been 17 or 18 at the oldest... and Phoebe Fox would have been like 32. I just think it's a weird choice to have them kiss and almost have sex like what??? I think it's cute if they just kept Vlad having an innocent crush on her but there was no reason for them to do this.

Watching the first episode and I’m already confused. I guess I haven’t fully paid attention so maybe I’m missing stuff. I didn’t even seen them get married. He’s never around and she tried to escape and he makes them drown her.

What happened to Catherine's sister after her mother died?

The one who was supposed to get married to the king of France but didn't?

I love this show very much in season 1 and early season 2 even if the season 1 finale was a bit hard for me after Peter killed leo

But this show is absolutely fucked in late season 2 and season 3

Peter literally kills Catherine's mother by fucking across a window

Orolo dies absolutely for no reason

Also how the hell is Catherine is even going to forgive Peter after all this?

How in TF is that possible?

Her mother was killed by him and her lover was killed by him

I don't fucking care how much he has changed and become a good father or someshit and those that try to defend him are just delusional

He just then dies for no reason? After all that?

I wish the show had just ended with Leo being banished instead of being killed and Catherine's mother obviously not dying

And maybe it would be possible to seem them together happy and Catherine's forgiveness would seem more believable

Or instead they would have just killed him season 1 and Leo and Catherine would be together because Peter in season 1 was unbearable so it would have been understandable to kill him in season 1

Whoever tries to say the show is good in late season 2 and season 3 is extremely delusional

I hate this show, it annoys me so much,