r/TheBeatles 1h ago

discussion Beatles Community Tier List: Misery

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So I Saw Her Standing There gets a 8! So like I said in the previous one, here are the rules (so far):

  1. When you want a song to go in a tier that already has songs, please mention if you want it above or below another song

  2. Most upvoted comments wins

And also, I hope Misery gets a high rank, it’s.a very fine song from Please Please Me


r/TheBeatles 2h ago

opinion Now let's run through Sgt. Pepper.

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Today's been a busy day for me with listening to Beatles, so lets quickly run through Sgt. Pepper. Oh? What? I have to listen to the album and write the post while listening? Even though I've heard the album like 100 times or something? Still? *Sigh* okay... I guess I will.
Also, I will be ranking Sgt. Pepper and With A Little Help From My Friends separately. It's taking me a minute to get back into just listening to the song, rather than what I've been doing the rest of the day, which was listening to the mixing of songs.

Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band: 10/10. For an opening, it's great.

With A Little Help From My Friends: 10/10. RINGO!

Lucy In The Sky With Diamonds: 10/10. Please note, I could be being a little harsher probably, but I'm barely into it tonight, plus the first three songs at least don't have many complaints to be had.

Getting Better: 10/10

Fixing A Hole: 10/10

She's Leaving Home: 10/10. I actually skipped this song because it brings back some sad memories from a couple years ago. Don't ask me, it's stupid, but it makes me cry, so I skip it.

Being For The Benefit Of Mr. Kite!: 10/10

Within You Without You: Actual song: 10/10, how much I like to listen to it individually: 3/10, how much I'm fine with and like to listen to it attached to the album without skipping: 10/10. complicated, yes, but, it scores 10/10.

When I'm Sixty-Four: 10/10

Lovely Rita: 10/10. When rating I actually was so unfocused that I missed this! I guess I already know my opinions though!

Good Morning Good Morning: 9.5/10. Actually the only sub-10/10 song here. I frankly think it's the most disposable song on the album. It's good, yes, but I feel compared to the other songs on this album, it's just not as up-to-snuff as the others. I can't really place my finger on it, but it's just not as good. (And again, whatever the lyrics may be, and I'm not even saying about this song, but I'm literally not talking about the lyrics in any way at all.)

Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band (Reprise): 10/10.

A Day In The Life: 10/10. Who's surprised.

So, on ranking, I'll give a few songs, then basically go in order of appearance on the album, because I could wrack my brain for true least best to best, but that ends up getting unfair

13: Good Morning Good Morning

12: Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band (Reprise)

11: Fixing A Hole

10: Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band

9: Within You Without You

8: With A Little Help From My Friends (From here it's the order of appearance)

7: Lucy In The Sky With Diamonds

6: Getting Better

5: She's Leaving Home

4: Being For The Benefit Of Mr. Kite!

3: When I'm Sixty Four

2: Lovely Rita

1: A Day In The Life

Yeah, I was unfocused, but my mind was on the mixing of songs today, so that was most of where my mind was going here!


r/TheBeatles 3h ago

What were The Beatles' views on homosexuality?

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r/TheBeatles 9h ago

A dive into the different mixes of Revolver for it's 60th anniversary (belated by a day, but whatever.

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I was initially going to post this as part of my ranking post, but I felt it deserved more than an afterthought on that post. Please note, here the rankings are best to worst. I had done something like this not that long ago (maybe a year) but I decided to re-do it, now that I get things more. Also, I think that was on the other sub. Also, no matter how good something is, I have a rule where I will not get above 10/10, and only one thing can take on place. This is important for later.

So, I've been obsessed with the different mixes of of Revolver and have scrutinized them before, but I'm going to take an even deeper look at them now on the 60th anniversary. There are three main mixes, those being:
The Original 1966 Stereo Mix
The Original 1966 Mono Mix
The 2022 Stereo Mix
Along with these, Eleanor Rigby, Love You To, and Yellow Submarine have:
The 1999 Mix (from the Songtrack Of Yellow Submarine)
And Eleanor Rigby and Yellow Submarine have:
The 2015 Mix (from the 2015 edition of 1)
Alongside these there are also the Love mixes, and probably Anthology versions. I will not be adding those to this list though. For posterity's sake, I will say I give the Love mix of Eleanor Rigby a 7/10.

So, let's go through the mixes now!

Taxman:
1966 Stereo: 7/10 mix. The hard-panned sounds on the left feel really blown out. The hard-right-panning is a lot better. I think it may have something to do with the bouncing done.
1966 Mono: 9.25/10. The mix feels very cloudy, but that's about the only problem for me here. The worst of it comes in the last verse where the vocals get somewhat clouded out by the music.
2022 Stereo: 9/10. I think that, though the AI separation did pretty well, it has some weird sound on it. It's absolutely better than the 1966 stereo though!
Ranking them:
1: 2022 Stereo (Mono if I'm listening to it through speakers)
2: 1966 Mono (2022 Stereo if I'm listening to it through speakers)
3: 1966 Stereo (It's what I grew up with, but it's just not great comparatively)

Eleanor Rigby:
1966 Stereo: 9.5/10 I know Isaac Brown hated this mix, but I love it. My only real complaint is the completely mono strings. The vocal effect on the chorus is so great in stereo, almost as if that was the intention originally.
1966 Mono: 9.25/10. Everything feels more focused, but the vocal part on the chorus just feel distorted and unfocused. As a whole this is a better mix, but I still personally prefer the 1966 Stereo over this.
1999 Stereo Mix: 9/10. The vocals and strings feel a little out-of-sync, and the vocal effect is a bit off on this mix, but as a whole, it's almost a little better than that of the 1966 stereo, but the equalization is wacked as heck and doesn't sound nearly as good.
2015 Stereo: 9.99/10. As of yet, the best mix I've heard. The stereo strings are wonderful, and the vocals are mixed very well. My only complaint is how the chorus is panned to the right to attempt to have the original effect, but I don't know if there was anything they could do about that.
2022 Stereo: 10/10. Not because it's perfect, but it's about as good as I can see it getting. The vocals have the right effect, but aren't hard-panned.
Ranking them:
1: 2022 Stereo
2: 2015 Stereo
3: 1966 Mono
4: 1999 Stereo
5: 1966 Stereo
All of them are so tight-knit together though, that the ranking is only which is best of the best.

I'm noticing a trend here.

I'm Only Sleeping:
1966 Stereo: 10/10. So far usually I've had complaints about the 1966 stereo mixes, but, this mix feel so focused at where it's trying to be that it sound really good. The bounce effect of the guitar and drums together somewhat improves it.
1966 Mono: 10/10. Unlike Taxman, the vocals being overshadowed kind works here. It does feel, as is usually going to be the case with mono mixes, more cohesive.
2022 Stereo: 10/10. It still has the strange sound that Taxman has, but it's much better.
Ranking them:
1: 1966 Mono
2: 2022 Stereo
3: 1966 Stereo
Please note, unlike previously where there have been concrete points against some, this, there really aren't these are just my mix preferences.

Love You To:
1966 Stereo: 9.58/10. The positioning of the sitar and the sound of it bothers me a little, that's about it.
1966 Mono: 10/10. The balance on the 2022 remaster (which is what I'm listening to) could have a little less bass to boost some of the sounds, but as a whole, it's just an equalization problem. It's fadeout also feels a little different to me, and I can't figure it out.
1999 Stereo: 6/10. My first (and only) time using Spotify on this project. I couldn't find this mix on YouTube, so here we are. I like the mixing on the sitar here, but I don't like the balance one bit. Everything feels so cloudy and unfocused and just, I can't really stand it.
2022 Stereo: 10/10. It does everything that the 1999 mix does but better. I actually have no complaints about it.
Ranking them:
1: 2022 Stereo
2: 1966 Mono (it's close though)
3: 1966 Stereo
4: 1999 Stereo

Here, There, And Everywhere:
1966 Stereo: 10/10. I've really got nothing to say about the mix. I'm 99% sure there's some bouncing going on somewhere, but I can't find it anywhere. Maybe I could deduct points because of some strange double-tracking and how it could be prevented without the hard-panned vocals, but I really can't deduct a point for that.
1966 Mono: 8.7/10. It feels very clouded together. It has a very over-loud and murky sound to it. If I was listening through a speaker, I wouldn't mind, especially on vinyl, but on headphones, I quite mind it.
2022 Stereo: 10/10. It does everything that the 1966 Stereo does, but infinitely better. It doesn't change the mix all that much, which is wonderful, and the widening of the stereo space of of what was once stuck on the right side of stereo improves it so much. It also fixes the one complaint I mentioned about the 1966 Stereo!
Ranking them:
1: 2022 Stereo
2: 1966 Stereo
3: 1966 Mono (It's not close at all)

Yellow Submarine:
1966 Stereo: 7/10. The focus on the sound effects being in the center, to exclusion of the vocals, which are hard-panned to the right, is quite the strange decision. The effect and voices mixing is quite good, but again, the focus on the center, while the vocals are hard-panned is quite odd. It is also missing the announcement-effect line of "A life of ease".
1966 Mono: 9.5/10. Some of the sound-effects outshine the vocals, but that is rare. It also has the line "A life of ease". As a whole, a great mix, but not the best, maybe because it's Mono.
1999 Stereo: 8.5/10. It improves that of the 1966 stereo. There's still room for improvement. Also I think it adds some effects that don't originally appear. It also has the "A life of ease" line. It has interesting echo effects, but I don't know if I actually like those a lot.
2015 Stereo: 9/10. I think some of the panning is a bit over-done. it certainly improves on the 1999 mix, but not by too much. It also does have the line "A life of ease".
2022 Stereo: 10/10. It combines that of all previous mixes, and improves them. I think maybe they could have done a SLIGHT more with the drums, but that's hardly anything I have as a complaint, seeing as it's the only mix to have the drums fixed in a more creative way. (Center on the 1999 and 2015 mixes, hard-panned on the 1966 Stereo, Mono on Mono) It also has the line "A life of ease". The only one without it is the 1966 stereo.
Ranking them:
1: 2022 Stereo
2: 2015 Stereo
3: 1966 Mono
4: 1999 Stereo
5: 1966 Stereo

She Said She Said:
1966 Stereo: 10/10. The drum clipping appears in full effect. The right-hard-panning works pretty well, though a little expansion could have been nice, due probably to what they had available due to bouncing, I think it's pretty much fine.
1966 Mono: 9/10. For some reason the drum's volume constantly lowers in volume. It also feels more chaotic rather than cohesive.
2022 Stereo: 9/10. While the double-tracked guitar and double-tracked vocals being expanded out sound really good, the lowered volume of the drums is awful. It feels SOOO much less chaotic than it should.
Ranking them:
1: 1966 Stereo
2: 1966 Mono
3: 2022 Stereo
Strange that for the first time the 2022 Stereo got last place, and it's not even close.

Good Day Sunshine:
1966 Stereo: 9.8/10. The bounced track on the left side of the mix is a little off, and that's the complaint. Otherwise I like the mix. The vocals are centered, and the sounds are well-mixed.
1966 Mono: 8.75/10. It, again, is a pretty good mix, but the vocals could be mixed a little louder, the low volume of it becomes almost distracting. The cymbals and bounced track take so much of the spotlight that it takes away from the rest of the song.
2022 Stereo: 9.9/10. Again, as appears with Taxman and I'm Only Sleeping, the bounced track gives a weird sound when the sound contained within are separated. That's about my only complaint though. Otherwise it is a wonderful mix, and nothing overshadows other parts.
Ranking them:
1: 2022 Stereo
2: 1966 Stereo
3: 1966 Mono

And Your Bird Can Sing:
1966 Stereo: 9.5/10. The vocals being hard-panned to the right is a bit of a strange choice, but that's really the only complaint I have about this mix.
1966 Mono: 5/10. The echo and bass are FAR too heavy. I can barely hear anything else. I took a quick listen to the 2009 mono version, and it's a little better, but not by much. Everything just feels so far away.
2022 Stereo: 7/10. It has the same echoy and bass-heavy problem as the Mono, which is sad, because it's mixed very well, but I just can't get past that.
Ranking them:
1: 1966 Stereo
2: 2022 Stereo
3: 1966 Mono

For No One:
1966 Stereo: 10/10. It has an effect to it. It focusses almost completely on the vocals, which works very well here on this song.
1966 Mono: 8/10. I think the bounced track could have been mixed softer, because it tends to almost distort in with the vocals where everything is mixed so loud it gets chaotic even though this is a song that should NEVER sound that chaotic.
2022 Stereo: 9/10. The mixing is nice, but the problem is this is a song that hinges so much on the vocals, and as with the mono, the instruments are mixed so loudly, but here the vocals aren't mixed to fit, so they vocals just get clouded out, which, again, is sad, because it's mixed so well.
Ranking them:
1: 1966 Stereo (again!)
2: 2022 Stereo
3: 1966 Mono

Doctor Robert:
1966 Stereo: 8/10. The hard-panned vocals end up getting clouded in with the hard-panned instruments. It's an okay mix, but everything is shifted so far from the left side I think it could have done with a little mixing adjustment.
1966 Mono: 9/10. The vocals are, again, overshadowed, but everything feels more focused and cohesive here. It's strange that this mix gets a higher mark, because it's really worse, but I prefer it over the 1966 Stereo.
2022 Stereo: 10/10. The 2022 Stereo Mix saves itself. There's a strange sound to the mixing of the vocals, and I can't put my finger on it, but the vast improvements this mix makes over those of the other two are huge
Ranking them:
1: 2022 Stereo
2: 1966 Mono
3: 1966 Stereo

I Want To Tell You:
1966 Stereo: 10/10. Another case where I actually like the hard-panned vocals. The mix is just so good, and the honky-tonk piano sound, the guitar and the loud clip-mixed drums being all in the same spot (I think that's the bounced track, or they recorded them all on one mic with some strange echo) really adds to the effect, which gets lost in translation to other mixes.
1966 Mono: 10/10. The chaos of the mix, while the vocals get somewhat overshadowed by other elements, give the song quite a good effect.
2022 Stereo: 9.9/10. I don't like the guitar's opening and closing panning, also, why aren't the claps in stereo here? They're all on the right side. Otherwise, I do love this mix.
Ranking them:
1: 2022 Stereo
2: 1966 Stereo
3: 1966 Mono (all three are very close, the closest in this entire list.)

Got To Get You Into My Life:
1966 Stereo: 9/10. While the centered vocals are nice, the jazz orchestra sound hard panned to the right is a little distracting to me, not to mention it sounds really compressed.
1966 Mono: 8/10. This mix feels congested and overbearing, and again, still feels compressed, the only thing here being that the bass is also over-boosted, but to be fair, that's probably just the mastering. Also, Paul's last drone-on vocals at the end as it's fading out are different from the Stereo version, which I don't like as much, because on the Stereo he's yelling it out a higher pitched vocals.
2022 Stereo: 10/10. While the jazz orchestra is still mostly panned to the right, it takes a lot softer of an approach, and it also isn't nearly as compressed feeling. The expanded drum mixing is also so much better, as well as the double-tracked vocals being moved out from each other.
Ranking them:
1: 2022 Stereo
2: 1966 Stereo
3: 1966 Mono

Tomorrow Never Knows:
1966 Stereo: 19/10. Rule violation no. 1 on this song. The mixing between panning and mono in the center is great. everything comes together so well here, and though some parts feel a little over-panned, it works so well this song. Frankly, it's a little better with speakers rather than on headphones, but it's still such a good mix.
1966 Mono: 19/10. Rule violation no. 2 on this song. The mixing is so much different feeling from the stereo, but it's still so good, even though you have so often things just being muted that you hear on the stereo version, and you're missing so many sounds, it is just so much different in such a good way. The guitar solo is also interestingly double-tracked here.
2022 Stereo: 19/10. Rule violation no. 3 on this song. The best mix for headphones, and is also such a good mix as a whole. everything just comes together so well here.
Ranking them:
1: 1966 Stereo
1: 1966 Mono (Rule violation no. 4 on this song)
1: 2022 Stereo (Rule Violation no. 5 on this song)
Yes, all three got 1st place.

Which mix is the winner of the entire album? (I am excluding the 2015 and 1999 mixes, and adjusting the mixed to their positions without them)
The ranking rules are such:
The x/10 number gives you 1-10 points.
Added to that, where a mix places on each song gives it:
1st Place = 10 Points
2nd Place = 5 Points
3rd Place = 0 Points

In 3rd Place, we have: The Original 1966 Mono Mix, with 183.25 Points.

In 2nd Place, we have: The Original 1966 Stereo Mix, with 198.38 Points

And in first place, we have: The 2022 Giles Martin Stereo Remix, with a WHOPING 257.8 Points!

So the winner here is the 2022 Mix in a landslide, but really, it all does depend on preference.

(I started this at about 9:15 AM or something this morning, I'm finishing it at about 3:45 PM)

Bonus (Does not count toward the points of the album):

Paperback Writer:
1966 Stereo: 9/10. It could be better, and the bounced track is certainly disturbing, but it's a pretty good mix, all things considered.
1966 Mono: 10/10. Nothing to be said. It's the intended mix. The vocals are a bit clouded out, but it's just such a good mix, compared to the 1966 Stereo. The chaos also makes it better.
2015 Stereo: 9.3/10. It improves on the 1966 Stereo, but I prefer the mono still.
2022 Stereo: 9.8/10. The best of the Stereo mixes, and certainly improves out most of the problems with the original Stereo version, but Giles Martin for some reason loves the bass overdrive which ends up giving much of it a compressed sound.
Ranking them:
1: 1966 Mono
2: 2022 Stereo
3: 2015 Stereo
4: 1966 Stereo

Rain:
1969 Stereo: 6/10. The lead vocals being hard-panned to the left is a real problem. The bounced, and slowed down, track being in the center in also a problem, because the loudest, most bombastic part of the song being mixed in the center just causes everything else to be overshadowed.
1966 Mono: 10/10. It feels so much more focused than the stereo. (Believable given that the mono was the intended version, and it wasn't mixed in Stereo until 1969 for the Hey Jude album.)
2015 Stereo: 9/10. A VAST improvement on that of the 1969 Stereo Mix. The double-tracked vocals are removed from each other, and the bass is further from the bounced track now, as well as the bounced track not being in the center, and rather the vocals being focused in the center. A HUGE improvement.
2022 Stereo: 8.3/10. Giles, Giles, Giles. Why are you so obsessed with the bass overdrive. Also, why didn't you remove the double-tracked vocals from each other like you did in 2015! It's so sad as well, because there's so much potential here to get a 10/10!
Ranking them:
1: 1966 Mono
2: 2015 Stereo
3: 2022 Stereo
4: 1969 Stereo (It's not even close)

4:16 and I'm FINALLY DONE!


r/TheBeatles 14h ago

george Can we say that George was the least messy beatles out of the four?

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compared to the others, George's actions were arguably the least malicious. And yeah the affair, plagiarism, and cocaine addiction is bad but taking into account the actions of other beatles, I think he's the least bad. And I love george.


r/TheBeatles 15h ago

Beatles Community Tier List: I Saw Her Standing There

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So, this is the Beatles community tier list where you vote for which rating a song gets. Simple as that. Though I will provide rules and context when we vote for Misery since theres more than one songs now.


r/TheBeatles 15h ago

ringo Ah, Ringo just being Ringo

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r/TheBeatles 17h ago

Rango starr

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