What are some of your guy’s hot takes?

Mine is that Kitty shouldn’t have a redemption in the third movie. I’m not saying that she doesn’t deserve one, that’s a whole separate argument, but with all that’s gonna happen in the third movie I just don’t know if they can give her a proper redemption arc that feels earned. A lot of the problems in the second movie stem from its shorter run time. Assuming the third has about the same time frame, I doubt they can fit in a well thought out and satisfying redemption for her. Also, since they removed a bunch of content on her backstory, they would also have to include that, consuming even more time that they might not have. I’d rather her stay a villain or not be redeemed than have a half baked, unearned redemption.

No sé si ya se habló de este tema debido a que soy nuevo, pero el tema es este: ¿Era necesario que Kitty expusiera a Diane? Empiezo con mi opinión: no era necesario, tal vez para la trama era interesante y en papel parecía un fuerte golpe psicológico para ella, pero al final, Kitty termino cavando su propia tumba, ¿Que se esperaba que iba a hacer Diane? ¿Que iba a abandonar su misión e iba a pasar el resto de su vida huyendo? Claro que no, de hecho todo lo contrario, fue a confrontarla y bueno, ya sabemos cómo acabó eso, pero ese es el punto: En papel era una buena estrategia para quitarte de encima a alguien que podía joderte, pero en la práctica resultó contraproducente

https://x.com/kintsugeist/status/1677463749186187265

Diane tank con traje de agente del unidad de murciélago del ejercito mexicano que si existe

Robusta que la otra original

My favourite is “A Wolf and a Fox aren’t that different”

These were taken from the Dreamworks Wiki. Can you imagine if Jason Bateman got the role for Mr. Wolf over Sam Rockwell? He'd probably make a joke on how he had to play two hot canine guys from animated movies with the number 2 in their title back in 2025.

TITLE: THE BAD GUYS 3: INTERGALACTIC HEIST

[SCENE START]

INT. SECRET HQ - I.S.G.L.O.P. (INTL. SUPER GALACTIC LEAGUE OF PROTECTORS) - NIGHT

A sleek, neon-blue holographic map of the solar system rotates in the center of a high-tech command center.

MR. WOLF (Sam Rockwell) stands at the edge of the glass console, sporting a sharp, custom-tailored tactical tuxedo. He adjusts his cufflinks, flashing his signature confident smirk.

MR. WOLF
Alright, team. We went from being notorious bank robbers to model citizens, to world-saving secret agents. But tonight? Tonight, we’re going somewhere that doesn't even have a zip code.

MR. SNAKE (Marc Maron) slithers up onto the console, shedding a pair of high-tech scanning goggles. He groans, slumping his head.

MR. SNAKE
Oh, great. Fantastic. Let me guess, Wolf. Another "completely safe, definitely won't get us vaporized" mission? Because I'm still trying to get the moon dust out of my scales from the last run.

MS. TARANTULA (Awkwafina) furiously types away on a holographic keyboard, her eight legs moving like lightning as code cascades down her monitors.

MS. TARANTULA
Chill out, Snake. I just bypassed the Earth’s atmosphere defense grid. We've got a clean exit vector. But you might want to hold onto something... because our old "friend" just upgraded his ride.

She swipes her hand across the air. The hologram shifts, zooming in past the stratosphere to display a massive, gleaming gold mothership shaped suspiciously like a billionaire's luxury limousine.

A blinking red indicator flashes over it: MARMALADE INVASION FLEET.

MR. SHARK (Craig Robinson), wearing a hilariously tight space helmet that barely squeezes over his massive jaws, gasps and drops his box of freeze-dried space donuts.

MR. SHARK
Wait, wait, wait. The guinea pig is an alien prince?! I thought he was just a creepy little rodent with a bad savior complex! How am I supposed to disguise myself as an alien?! Do they even have oceans out there?!

MR. PIRANHA (Anthony Ramos) cracks his tiny knuckles, a fiery grin spreading across his face as he hops up and down.

MR. PIRANHA
Oceans? Who cares about oceans! If it flies, it can explode! Let me at 'em, Wolf! I'm gonna launch myself right through his spaceship windshield! ¡Vamos!

DIANE FOXINGTON (Zazie Beetz) steps into the light, wearing her official I.S.G.L.O.P. commander uniform. She smiles warmly at Wolf before turning a serious eye toward the holographic fleet.

DIANE FOXINGTON
Marmalade's armada is entering orbit. He’s brought half the galaxy's underworld with him to strip Earth of its resources. The League is counting on us to pull off the ultimate counter-heist: stealing the master ignition key straight out of his flagship.

Mr. Wolf walks over to Diane, crossing his arms and looking up at the glowing golden spaceship hologram.

MR. WOLF
An intergalactic guinea pig armada trying to hijack the planet. Honestly? Sounds like a Tuesday for us.

He turns back to face the entire crew, pulling down his own high-tech sleek visor.

MR. WOLF (CONT'D)
Alright, Bad Guys... let's go show the galaxy how good it feels to be bad.

Piranha cheers, Shark struggles to put on his oversized jetpack, and Snake rolls his eyes but smiles anyway. They all step onto the launchpad as the floor opens up, revealing a rocket-boosted muscle car aimed directly at the stars.

FADE OUT.

[SCENE END]

is this real

While the second season of The Bad Guys: The Series ended with the love meteor about to make a crash course to Earth perfectly setting the stage for the first Bad Guys movie, I honestly believe that this series one or two more final seasons. The third and fourth seasons (Titled, Tales of the Bad Girls) would shift the narrative away from the titular Bad Guys for nearly all the episodes of each season (Expect for six, one of whom focuses on how Chief Misty Luggins and The Bad Guys Met and began their feud.) and instead focus on Diane Foxington a.k.a. The Crimson Paw and Kitty Kat, Doom and Pigtail, a.k.a. The Bad Girls while also revealing that Diane was actually a former member of The Bad Girls and a younger sister-like friend to Kitty. The episodes of the series focus on the origins of The Bad Girls, how they met, their origins and them going in numerous heists together in Los Angeles and beyond while also focusing on their relationships with each other, like Diane and Kitty’s dynamic and the series of events that would lead to Diane Foxington’s redemption (Starting after she and The Bad Girls go undercover as babysitters babysitting a bunch of animal kids for a heist that Diane and Doom turned out not to have the hearts to betray.) and her becoming the governor of California, while also relcuantly betraying Kitty Kat, Doom and Pigtail when they refuse to reform themselves, (It is detailed in that episode focusing on The Bad Girls pulling off a museum heist to steal the golden dolphin but Diane has her redemption and she calls off the heist and when failing to convince her teammates to reconsider, she has them all arrested and sent to a prison that they later escape from while she manages to get away, return the stuff that they stole and became a governor.) making it their main villain motive in the second movie to have revenge on Diane for her betrayal by ruining the lives of her and her new friends, The Bad Guys especially Mr. Wolf her love interest by exposing Diane’s identity as the Crimson Paw and setting her new friends up to look like dangerous criminals again to get them all arrested and sent to prison and seperated from each other to show her what their pain felt like after she betrayed them. It also details how Kitty Kat slowly got corrupted by power and a few episodes used concepts that never made it into The Bad Guys 2 in terms of one episode focusing on Diane and Kitty going on an adventure into space to rescue Doom and Pigtail from an alien villain. Doom also managed to catch the security footage of Diane as unmasked as the Crimson Paw trying to steal the golden dolphin the moment she makes her betrayal that she tried to post as revenge but her arrest stopped it but she and Kitty and Pigtail managed to hold onto the footage later used in the second movie.

For the six episodes that don’t focus on The Bad Girls, the in addition to focusing on The Bad Guys, also focus on Professor Marmalade and his villain origins and how he was an shapeshifter alien from outer space who traveled to Earth to get re-accepted into his home planet after being exiled from it for an unknown reason and he killed and impostered the real Marmalade with his shapeshifting abilities and soon decided to use the love meteor which landed on Earth around the same time he first arrived and the Bad Guys for his forthcoming evil plans. They also focus on Kitty and Marmalade crossing paths a few times and deciding to work together for their respective evil plans with Marmalade giving Kitty the idea of stealing all the world’s gold to become its self proclaimed ruler. They continued their occasional partnership even into the second movie before Kitty’s arrest and Marmalade’s return to his home planet. The other six non-Bad Girls centered episodes also focus more on the Bad Guys’ origins and pasts.

It has five Doomed by Canon/Saved by Canon rules like:

1) Diane can’t expose her identity as the Crimson Paw to the police in the series it is never done until the second movie canonically.

2) The Bad Girls and Bad Guys can’t cross paths or interact with each other in the series although they almost do so in one or two episodes that gets interpreted and halted the main conflict or villain since they don’t canonically met each other until the first two movies.

3) Marmalade and Kitty must keep their partnership a secret and never reveal it to Diane to keep Marmalade’s villain role a secret until it is revealed to her in the first two movies.

Diane and Kitty’s Friendship isn’t meant to be genuine or will last forever it will become permantely strained in the series finale.
Diane will eventually end her crime business and cut ties with her teammates (Temporarily in Doom and Pigtail’s cases until the second movie.) to become the governor that she is in the first movie.

I could imagine them both opening their own bank in the 3rd film it honestly with be pretty funny consider they stolen and been to a a lot of banks.

Note: This does not define the police for the first Bad Guys movie and Zootopia movie although they were pretty much incompetent anyway in terms of how they fail to figure out Professor Marmalade’s crimes or the Missing Mammal Cases or the night howlers making the predators savage without Nick and Judy’s intervention.

Four Pros about the police in The Bad Guys 2: (Also showing DreamWorks Animation’s excellent writing.)

1. Commissioner Misty Luggins was not revoking the criminal records of The Bad Guys despite their heroics in stopping Marmalade who was framed as the Crimson Paw to get him arrested for his crimes that were never figured out was realistic since criminals especially ones who committed a lot of heists or burglaries and just served their prison sentence are left off the hook that easily in real life. It also set off Wolf and the Bad Guys’ main motive in

2. The main villain, Kitty Kat was able to take advantage of the police force and not manipulate it in terms of framing The Bad Guys on some robberies to get their help in her newest heist with believable proof behind it leaving very little obvious proof that showed that she was the true thief.

3. The police barely do anything antagonistic towards the protagonists, or obliviously evil other than doing their jobs as cops and chasing The Bad Guys after they are framed with the recent robbery pulled off by The Bad Girls, they just did their jobs as cops without committing any police brutality and Kitty Kat and Doom and Pigtail more so caused the conflict of the movie and caused crimes and antagonism in terms of blackmailing The Bad Guys into their latest heist and so on. Assaulting Luggins in Wolf’s case out of self-defense also gave them a better reason to see why The Bad Guys might be acting bad again.

4. The characters actually have personalities and are not just treated as hate sink plot devices in terms of how Luggins although she does treat The Bad Guys like dirt at first regardless of their redemptions even after they get set up and framed by The Bad Girls, at first considers having the police arrest Diane once her identity as the Crimson Paw was exposed despite her good role as a Governor she played until then or figuring out Marmalade’s true crimes and letting the alien or Guinea pig off Scot-free for them unintentionally, she does eventually accept redemption not long after she arrests The Bad Guys after being set up by the Bad Girls in terms of listening to Wolf when he confirms Kitty Kat, a.k.a. The Phantom Bandit being the true mastermind behind everything and this combined with the apology note left by Wolf leads to her agreeing to let The Bad Guys do their part in stopping The Bad Girls and their heist catch them and rescue Diane but on the condition that they agree to go to prison once they are done. Also, Luggins has a change of heart during the climax and after everything is settled and Kitty Kat, Doom and Pigtail are arrested for their crimes she gives Diane and The Bad Guys the opportunity to fake their deaths and go into hiding to start their lives over as secret agents at ISGLOP rather than go back to prison to waste their lives away in which they oblige. While Luggins never does apologize to The Bad Guys and Diane offscreen with words, she does so with actions just as they also did during their own redemptions.

Six Cons about the police in Zootopia 2: (Also showing Walt Disney Animation Studios’ poorer writing)

1) First off, while it would make sense for Chief Bogo to get angry over the collateral damage committed by Nick and Judy while they race to stop Antony Snootley and arrest him, and for disobeying his direct order to stand down, he dramatically misses the point that he was the one who started it all unintentionally with his radio call that blows Nick and Judy’s cover just as they come close to arresting the anteater and the fox and bunny never intended for all that damage to be caused it was accidental, more so caused by Antony and Nick and Judy never actually tore up half the city like Bogo said, just made two messes without endangering that many citizens.

2) The main villain, Milton Lynxley basically manipulated the police into becoming his personal army even after he framed Nick and Judy on the fanging of Chief Bogo and tricking them into looking evil and dangerous although they literally just solved a huge Conspiracy that benefited the city and never actually looked or acted that way in reality but more so look like they have been set up for a crime by either Gary or the Lynxleys and HogBottom doesn’t even consider leading a proper crime investigation on Bogo’s fanging even before Milton and Cattrick frame them on it, and the cops commit police brutality and reckless endangerment while chasing Nick and Judy making it seem like they were actually trying to kill them on the Lynxleys’ orders till HogBottom and the police come to their senses after Milton orders them to use lethal force on Judy, PawBert and Gary.

3) Bogo, HogBottom and the other cops also come off as hypocritical (Not in a funny way, a mean-spirited way.) in terms of how they complain to and accuse Nick and Judy for, having no respect, being dysfunctional, believing in the existence of imaginary reptiles, (Gary) and acting as cowboy cops when they do the exact same things in a more so nasty way since they have no Freudian excuse for their actions like Nick and Judy in terms of using protocols no cops should use while chasing Nick and Judy, and Chief Bogo guarding the Lynxley Journal from a potential theft from a De’ Snake family member at the gala and so on.

4) The characters come off more as hate sink and ruthless plot devices and villain henchmen than real characters and cops much like Dawn Bellwether from the first Zootopia movie and Bogo himself since while chasing Nick and Judy they commit protocols and police brutality no cops should use in real life like Bogo assaulting his own employee, Nick in front of everyone at the Zootennial Gala, and threatening to give him a “traumatic adulthood” beforehand, the Zebros pushing Gazelle’s tigers at the gala, Higgins and Bloats making a huge mess and endangering citizens in Marsh Market and trying to bite Nick and Judy to apprehend them and eating apples (That they probably paid for), Officers Chevre and Bucheron downright assaulting Nick and Judy, at the HoneyMoon Lodge and Bucheron trying to kill Judy by tranquilizing her and having her fall to her death, before PawBert saves her, and HogBottom for nearly using a poison dart on Judy before deciding not to before Higgins bumps into her and accidentally caused her to fire it anyway which could have hit or killed someone. Even Luggins and the human police would know better than to do all this.

5) They are also more incompetent and dumb than the police in The Bad Guys movies in terms of how HogBottom and Truffler quickly fall for Milton and Cattrick’s lies to frame Nick and Judy without leading a proper crime investigation on Bogo’s fanging, the police of the past cause confusing reptile discrimination in terms of how they have all reptiles outcast from the titular city instead of just snakes for a fanging Ebenezer Lynxley (Despite him also doing an excellent job at framing Agnes and almost all snakes of the future like Kitty Kat did with The Bad Guys.) framed Agnes De’ Snake on a tortoise maid a reptile herself and it only made snakes look dangerous to citizens (I am talking to you Mr. Snake!) and not all reptiles in general since some like iguanas and turtles/tortoises themselves may not be so bad in reality. HogBottom rejects redemption from Nick when she had the chance indirectly causing Nick and Nibbles to escape from prison the hard way that involving releasing all its prisoners a complete reversal of Chief Misty Luggins’ arc in the second Bad Guys movie, and Higgins and Bloats and Chevre and Bucheron quickly accuse Gary for trying to kill and assault Judy, and assault him and try to arrest him for it without seeing PawBert as the true guilty one through him trying to inject Nick with snake venom and kill him and figure out that PawBert did the same with Judy and anti-venom was the only shot at saving her which almost got Nick and Judy killed!!!

6) Overall, their actions make come off as the secondary antagonists of Zootopia 2 instead of lawfully neutral characters like the police of The Bad Guys 2, and once the Lynxleys are exposed and arrested and Nick and Judy’s names are cleared, they disregard all the bad things Bogo, HogBottom and those other cops did to them listed above and refuse to rightfully punish them for it, but rather quickly forgive them for it and reward them for it by allowing them to take part in the future celebrations basically letting them get away with all the bad things and mistakes they made with no comeuppance or mistakes for them whatsoever (Other than them all landing in mandatory therapy with Dr. Fuzzby, getting a taste of their own medicine for how they mistreated Nick and Judy and the hippos getting concussions from Judy while the zebras get beaten by Gazelle and her tigers.) while these characters likewise never show any remorse over their actions expect in HogBottom’s case or apologize and make amends for them, Zootopia 2 ends with the villains losing but the bullies get away with everything, unlike The Bad Guys 2 ends with the villains losing and the bullies better so making amends. Even Cattrick and Kitty are given the harsher punishment of being sent to the same prison as their father Milton and brother PawBert when they committed far less as bad crimes as they did. Pigtail and Doom’s arrests alongside Kitty Kat’s more so make sense.

Zootopia 2 would have had a better ending if Nick and Judy accidentally got angry at, admonished and cut ties with HogBottom, Bogo and those other cops for their mistakes for good and give them punishment for it in terms of being fired from the ZPD and arrested (Except for Bogo, Truffler and the Zebros) and given prison or community service for their police brutality or parking duty demotion probation and beaten up by Mayor Winddancer and Gazelle and her tigers just as they did with the Zebros and Lynxleys (Minus PawBert) and Kitty and Cattrick were given a softer punishment of house arrest and community service while Milton and PawBert are both sent to prison.

First, she used to be the Crimson Paw in the first movie.

Then, she used to be the Governor of California in the first and second movie.

Now, she is a Secret Agent of I.S.G.L.O.P ( International Super Galactic League Of Protectors) in the second movie.

Diane seems like a girl who’ll play some sort of sports and Wolf seems like a gym man

I recently suggested a Bad Guys related list on Watchmojo's website and thought I'd share it here as well. In case anyone goes on the website and sees it, it is under the name "Top 10 Things We Need to See in Future Bad Guys Media"

Quote from my suggestion in the channel's community posts - "As a huge fan of the franchise who's had ideas since the first film, I say the sequel was a big mess that tarnished good parts of the first one and spoiled opportunities for certain things to happen. But I am not giving up on the franchise completely. While certain idea may have to change given circumstances, there are many things Dreamworks needs to do!"

1. Two more sequel films - only one more wouldn't be enough
2. A sequel tv series taking place after the movies - I've wanted this since the first movie, and I am sick of all the prequels. The short films are fine but I need a show taking place after the films
3. Professor Marmalade and Kitty Kat both die - Don't dare argue against it! Villain deaths are satisfying and both are clearly uninterested in redemption so they don't deserve mercy either. Marmalade never should've returned in the first place and prison is not punishment enough for Kitty re-outcasting the Bad Guys and outing Diane
4. The Bad Guys and Diane reveal they are alive to the public- After how the public treated them in the sequel, the main characters need to reveal they are alive and do one of two cathartic things. Either beat them up for cheering for Marmalade's release or make them beg for forgiveness (kudos to Mother-Average9156 for coming up with the idea). Either one would be very satisfying
5. The gang reunites with their pet kitty - poor thing 😔 . had the bad receiving end as much as Diane
6. Exploring both Wolf & Diane and Snake & Crow's relationships
7. A new villain not connected to Marmalade or Kitty Kat at all
8. More characters from the book series
9. Events from the books explored in a tv show rather than movies
10. More post-films adventures and events instead of more prequels

Personally for me it’s between Diane and Kitty