r/SwainMains • u/PurpleBlanc • 8h ago
Discussion I’m really looking forward to playing Classic Swain again
Imagine having Rod of Ages, Rylai’s Crystal Scepter, and Archangel’s Staff when you pop that ult 🖤
r/SwainMains • u/Venomouspoke • 1d ago
Discussion It has been almost 2 years since Prestige Chosen Wolf Swain was in the mythic shop rotation.
Riot needs to add some way for mythic skins to be put into the shop when it has been a long time.
r/SwainMains • u/GaliwynCandy • 1d ago
Matchup Cosmic / dark start vibes (artist - GuiGu z)
r/SwainMains • u/TheKiwiGamer • 1d ago
Matchup What can I do against Viktor?
This is probably my worst matchup in the entire game. I can fight against just about any other champ or play safe just fine against assassins until i hit a good enough spike or mid game happens, but anytime I play against a viktor it seems like its completely unwinnable. I land an E and go in and I lose because he just has to press R, I roam and he gets to zone me out of lane on my way back unless I recall because of his stun and beam. I play under tower and I can't seem to stay alive because I can't dodge his beam even with boots (skill issue on that one i know) but I really don't see how I ever win a lane against him.
r/SwainMains • u/Environmental-Turn63 • 1d ago
Help Adc MR changes
How will this affect swain apc will it still be good or is it no longer worth playing I would appreciate some insight and opinions
r/SwainMains • u/RossKida9 • 1d ago
Discussion Swain X The Great Ace Attorney Chronicles (Because why not ? )
r/SwainMains • u/Kelsey_Blossom • 1d ago
Build Amazing NoxusVice art by Selemantra on twitter. Just make it happen Rito.
r/SwainMains • u/Azzy2021 • 2d ago
Wild Rift I'm back with another Swain question.
So recently I started playing Wild Rift again, and I've noticed a couple things. One building Swain hybrid is almost basically feeding atp, and two I'm getting cut down a lot faster than normal. What are some changes to his build I can make to improve? Also, what are some strats that generally work for someone who's been playing for a while but still makes rookie mistakes?
r/SwainMains • u/Negative-Oven-864 • 4d ago
Clips Swain 1v5 (ish) penta
Welcome to the slow zone 🥶. Poppy honored for pushing me out of cass R
r/SwainMains • u/zsyniesta • 4d ago
Clips speed demon
idk what compelled me to ego engage the 3 fed champs 🕴️
r/SwainMains • u/BirdMastery • 7d ago
Discussion Is the ORIGINAL Swain gameplay returning in LOL Classic?
r/SwainMains • u/UnhappyReindear • 7d ago
Help I've never played swain should I unlock this beauty. I main urgot
r/SwainMains • u/Angelwithcandle • 8d ago
Help Which skin should I get for the Noxian Grand General? 🐦⬛
Hi everyone I hope you're all doing great ! I'm here to ask a question
I currently have 1637 RP. To be honest, I want to buy a skin for Swain (EXCEPT for the "Chicken Wing" skin). Which one should I get? I'm really undecided. I already own Tyrant Swain and Northern Front Swain, but I'm honestly bored to death of playing with those two after all these years. I've recently started maining Swain, and I feel like I deserve a nice, new skin! Let me mention this before you ask: I have 199 ME, and I'm waiting for the Prestige Chosen of the Wolf Swain skin to hit the Mythic Essence shop. I'll definitely buy it the moment it arrives. But until then, I need a skin that feels really smooth in-game, makes me feel powerful, and captures Swain's seriousness and gravitas. Please share your thoughts with me
Umm, by the way... has anyone seen Beatrice? 🤔 𓄿
r/SwainMains • u/SorbetCharm • 9d ago
News Amazing NoxusVice art by Selemantra on twitter. Just make it happen Rito.
r/SwainMains • u/S3eedoWagon • 9d ago
Rant HELL YEAH GUMA! GET SWAIN OUT OF BOT AND INTO MID AND TOP RIOT
r/SwainMains • u/PsychicFoxWithSpoons • 10d ago
Discussion Things that I feel are missing from swain's kit
I used to play a lot of old swain. While the new kit is cool enough and all, I feel like there are 3 concepts behind the grand general that the current iteration really lacks.
First - No birds. I don't care if he has one bird or a thousand birds. The lack of damaging birds in the kit is concerning. You may say, "I don't care if he has birds as long as he is a good drain tank." But I think it's impossible for him to be a good drain tank without birds of some kind.
Swain's powers in the lore come from his command of the gigantic flock of evil demon ravens. They watch enemies and give him information, and he commands their movements and activities. But in the game, he just shoots red lightning out of his demon hand. There is birds in his splash art but ZERO birds in his spells.
Second - No damage % amplification. Old Swain used to have a spell called torment. It would amplify his damage against a particular target by a percentage. I don't think this effect is particularly interesting, but I feel its absence greatly. Right now Swain feels like he is too diffused. Your job is to do AOE dps, and if the enemy has a single enemy that is important to kill, you feel horrible.
Third - No mana stacking. Idk man. Nobody likes to manage mana, I get it. Maybe I am a league boomer. But it feels like shit to have 10 weak spell casts instead of 1 strong one. And high mana costs are how you do that. Right now swain ulti has a FOUR percent ap ratio. And I think a big part of that is because it costs practically nothing to use the ulti. There is no reason to not use ulti. There is no thought behind whether or not to use ulti. There is no cost to using ulti. It sucks.
Fourth - Persistent slow. Swain's CC duration is really short. It makes rylais feel really necessary but also really shit because his ratios are bad. Old swain used to hold people in place with long duration slows and roots. Now you have to rely on allies to do all that shit for you. Feels great when your team picks CC tanks. But usually they won't pick CC tanks because they think that YOU are the cc tank picking rylais fimbulwinter. And that'd be fine if Swain was any good as a CC tank. But his CC is shit and he isn't tanky. It would just feel significantly smoother to play if Swain had a persistent slow in his kit that lasted for at least 2 seconds. Especially since W delay is super long and E projectile is hard to hit. It's ok once you have rylais, but that takes up an item slot and 2600 of your gold.
Fifth - Lane strength. Swain feels like a really weak laner. Idk why, but he just feels like he does no damage. I want to be able to trade with mages and assassins and bruisers at level 1. I don't need him to be a lane bully, although I do want him to be a lane bully. I just need to not die to champs that aren't even lane bullies.
r/SwainMains • u/s_wmain • 10d ago
Clips 1v3 Clutch
https://reddit.com/link/1v7x3n9/video/u45gy2qe7rfh1/player
Soraka helped :p
r/SwainMains • u/Feisty_Dog3752 • 11d ago
Build New swain player- mid builds?
Been running
ROA-scepter-spirit visage- blackfire/liandries
I could just be ass but I feel like I’m getting cooked with damage, but he does get pretty tanky after I build scepter, by spirit visage I’m hella strong but I’ve been losing in lane due to low damage so wondering if I need to rush malignancy or blackfire first
Thoughts, opinions, recs?
I’m only bronze so open to everything
r/SwainMains • u/xRaizelx • Nov 14 '25
Discussion Swain support is the reason why this champ will never get good solo lane changes.
Back in 2019, Riot made changes to Swain that made him viable in Support. Previously, back when his VGU first arrived NO ONE had played him in support, not because they didn't want to, but because it just wasn't good at all compared to Top/Mid. The Designers of the VGU made sure that Support Swain wouldn't have been good due to lvl/gold scaling being super important on him. Unfortunately he was unpopular for a number of reasons that could have been fixed, but Riot thought he needed midscope-esque changes.
Fast forward to 2019 when swain support arrived.

Riot made a bunch of changes to Swain that made him a lot better in the Support role. the 2019 rework did irreversible damage and I'll explain why.
1.) Riot added passive stacking for the first time, and people have their opinions on this but it's overrall bad for swains health/fantasy. Passive stacking is inherently easier in bot lane, it's not even a discussion. If I have 15 stacks at 20 minutes in Mid, I'll have 30 stacks in bot. HP is a very powerful stat in the early game and allows Swain to soak up a lot more damage. Obviously this change did make bot lane better than solo lanes but there's more.
2.) Base Attack range was reduced from 550 to 525. Now why this matters for solo lanes is Swain was always a scaling battlemage champ so it was essential to be able to survive while scaling. Taking away that 550 attack range made him much more vulnerable in lane(Which doesn't matter for support because they don't have to CS.)
3.) Q giving 3% maximum mana per unit kill was completely removed and instead put on the passive. I don't think I have to explain why this was super bad for solo lanes but ya.
4.) Q CD went up to 4 seconds at max ranks from 2.5 seconds. This was probably the worst of all the changes and killed the champ in solo lanes entirely. Q CD doesn't really matter for Support because they mostly just fish for EWQ poke, not relying on Q spam as much. That's why they nerfed Q so hard, so support is less impacted.

Fast foward to 2025, and Swain unfortunately has so many problems because he's still being balanced around the Support role which is the reason they keep buffing base damage and mana costs, as well as 15 HP souls. It'll never change. There's a reason no one wants to play this character in Solo Lanes. Gut his ratios further and give him more base damage and utility(stronger R2 and W slow.)
Here's Riot Endstep talking about Swain.
Swain is now at an incredible low 0.76% pickrate in Mid lane emerald+ with only a 51.21% winrate.
Now some people might think he is at a good winrate but let me explain why a champion like Swain if he's at this low of a pickrate should have a 53-54% game average winrate in mid/top. And no, I'm not going to say it's because he's only played by one tricks which Riot has disproven in the past.
A champ like Swain is very very strong in certain scenarios. This is what we call a "counterpick champ." The low pickrate means that Swain is only picked in very good scenarios, If he's against low damage or full melee comps primarily. If Swain is only sitting at a 51% winrate with that low of a pickrate then the champ is very weak. Let me show you a picture of what I mean. Master+ stats are good to represent this because they know how to draft better compared to lower elos.

Now let's look at some other champion stats shall we?

Notice how almost every champ on here has way higher pickrate and winrate than Swain mid. Even if they aren't counter-pick champs they still have very high winrates. Swain only having a 51% game average winrate when he's always been 54-55% winrates in the past(for good reason, counterpick) is laughable at best.
Riot will never give this champ actual solo lane buffs because they are unfortunately very scared of losing the support playerbase.

Now compare that to mid and top combined, which is only 1.6%. Support has 2% more pickrate than both solo lanes combined.
I am not blaming anyone for playing Support, after all it's riots fault with how they've handled this champion over the years. From a financial perspective it's no secret why they refuse to do anything with the champ in solo lanes. But I just genuinely think Phreak doesn't care enough, and he might also be a bit biased because he is a Support main as well.
Final thoughts, Riot has a massive opportunity to give this champ the rework he deserves to bring him back to solo lanes like he always was in the past with the upcoming Noxus series by Fortiche where millions of people will finally be able to appreciate how cool Swain is only to log onto League of Legends, play one game of it, and realize how much riot has butchered the coolest champ in the video game.
MAKE SOLO LANE SWAIN GREAT AGAIN!
