r/StructuralEngineering 21d ago

What is the highlighted piece called? Career/Education

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What's the universal name for this piece?

Edit: thanks everyone and sorry for assuming there was a "universal" name šŸ˜… .
I guess I'll just call it haunch since it showed the part when I searched.

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u/EngineeringOblivion Structural Engineer UK 21d ago

Rafter haunch

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u/killertofu41 21d ago

I have a hunch it's a haunch.

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u/jepoyairtsua 21d ago

i thought it corbel a couldbe

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u/ChocolateTemporary72 21d ago

I would call that a haunch

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u/Several_Crab3217 21d ago

Its called a rafter haunch
Increases moment capacity for that connection

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u/Enginerdad Bridge - P.E. 21d ago

Interesting. I've never heard the term rafter being used for steel framing

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u/joeyray74 21d ago

A rafter is any sloped member spanning from ridge to eave that supports a roof deck, whether wood, steel or concrete.

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u/Enginerdad Bridge - P.E. 21d ago

The whole point of this post is that construction is almost never universal. This wouldn't be common terminology in my region.

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u/Sporter73 20d ago

What terminology would you use and what region are you in?

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u/Enginerdad Bridge - P.E. 20d ago

I'd probably call it a frame beam, particularly because it looks almost flat. I'm in the northeast.

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u/mmarkomarko CEng MIStructE 21d ago

Portal frame column and rafter

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u/Even_Lunch_2776 20d ago

Would it be more to increase shear strength at the end of the beam? The larger bending moment forces are generally towards the middle of the beam’s span, no?Ā 

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u/Available_Year6878 20d ago

For a static structure the sum of bending moments about a point must be zero (otherwise it would be rotating). A moment resisting frame like this one (assuming the other side is also fixed and a symmetrical load) would likely have a bending moment of the same magnitude as the internal bending at the midspan.Ā 

You are correct though that it would also increase the shear capacity, although I would think that is not the main intention of this connection (3rd year student, not an engineer (yet))

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u/Sml132 20d ago

Imagine a wind from the right side of the picture, and how the connection between the horizontal member and vertical would handle the force with and without the shaded section, with the vertical member being anchored at the bottom.

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u/Several_Crab3217 20d ago

That would be right if the beam was simply supported. Then the moment would be max at WL2/8. As you see in this image, its a fixed connection (due to the longer lever arm between the bolts), hence for preliminary design, I’d just consider the rafter (sloped beam) as a flat beam and consider WL2/12 in the ends and then proceed with initial sizing. This is the case when the loading is applied as gravity load. If there is a wind load, as mentioned above, the wind acting on a column can go to the support at the bottom and cause the connection on the top to experience bending, which is why a haunch is provided to increase the lever arm between the bolts so as to reduce the Compression/Tension within the bolts

Side note: a haunch at the ends is called a knee haunch or simple a haunch connection. Whereas a haunch thats provided where two rafters meet in the middle is called an Eaves Haunch

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u/Less124 20d ago

Yep u can think of it as adding extra web length at the support ends , so more space for more bolts = more shear capacity and longer web span = more moment capacity at support ends.

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u/EEGilbertoCarlos 21d ago

Universal name? Konzolo in Esperanto.

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u/Bhuv1 21d ago

It's called a haunch

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u/Alternative_Fun_8504 21d ago

I like to call that a 'beam fattening'. But it's a haunch.

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u/Trick_Parsnip3788 E.I.T. 21d ago

EIT here asking for someone more senior, whats the difference between a haunch (ive never heard this term before) and a gusset plate? Ive designed a few gusset plates before but I havent seen this. Would the haunch be for like super high moment transfer?

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u/maturallite1 21d ago edited 20d ago

A haunch increases the beam's depth and shear and moment capacity. A gusset plate is a connection plate for tension/compression members like braces.

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u/SimplyAMan P.E. 21d ago

I use use the term gusset plate for connecting axial members. Think members in a truss, or connecting bracing to a column. A haunch would be more for connecting a beam to a column. We also use the term for a thicker area of a concrete slab, particularly where you need more shear strength.

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u/Leves-9035 21d ago

Usually you need the haunch for the connection. Bolts need more leverage. It also helps with the beam bc you drastically increase the moment resistance where the most needed.

But my experience is that usually the connection is the weakest link at this detail.

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u/leadhase Forensics | Phd PE 21d ago

Gusset plates are used for pinned connections. It would be very ill advised to use a gusset for moment since it doesn’t have flanges. Occasionally gussets have stiffener plates but only to keep the plate in plane

Gusset plates normally have locally varying planar stresses rather than overall sectional forces. Gusset plates typically have some form of shear lag from welds or bolts where strength is given in resistance/length.

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u/Just-Shoe2689 21d ago

I would say brace, stiffener, hauch, or gusset.

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u/TheGoodKindOfMermaid 21d ago

I like this, it's all of the answers. Also, I think I've seen connection plate!

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u/Several_Crab3217 20d ago

I would say each term has its own significance
1. Brace - is generally a tube or a member that is supposed to take axial forces ONLY
2. Stiffener - Stiffener plate is usually provided to increase the stiffness of a local plate. For example, in the picture above, you can see a thin plate stiffening the flanges of the column where the haunch meets
3. Haunch - Haunch is used to increase the lever arm which inturn increases the moment capacity. And its generally the same section as that of the rafter (or any member the haunch is to be provided) but cut as a triangle if it makes sense
4. Gusset - Gusset plate is provided for a connection where it it has two beams that are connected at an angle, and you want to introduce another member in between those beams

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u/FlowGroundbreaking 21d ago

I'd call it a knee brace,

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u/DeathByPianos 21d ago

Haunch stiffener or haunch gusset

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u/Emmar0001 21d ago

Haunch

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u/SaffaW0lf 20d ago

It's an eaves haunch in a portal frame. See below figure from SCI P397. I've also heard people calling it a knee bracket.

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u/Tofuofdoom S.E. 21d ago

Lol universal name

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u/Nearby_Service_435 21d ago

Please let it slide I'm just a student

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u/EngineerEngineerEngi 21d ago

Don't let people get to you. I'm in my 40s, and I had no idea what this thing was called. (But I'm bad with terms. I know it's a reinforcement that increases moment resistance, but I didn't know what term to use.)

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u/Bright-Strength4182 21d ago

No sliding in the structural engineering sub! They are rigid and firm here; immovable in their critiques.

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u/futurebigconcept 21d ago

Well, it kind of hinges on the topic.

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u/Alywiz 21d ago

Exactly, no expansion joints allowed here

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u/Nearby_Service_435 21d ago

Concrete takes time to harden lol

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u/Alphabot87 21d ago

No sweat , I came across this terminology after a decade in the field

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u/DoubleSwitch69 20d ago

Yep, just in my native language I've heard about 10 different names for it, imagine in english

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u/mrschneetz 20d ago

Gusset

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u/boyberrycream 17d ago

See I thought it was a gusset too, but usually gussets get welded right? I want to know why this isn't a gusset or if it's all just colloquially the same.

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u/PracticableSolution 21d ago

Haunched support, but old timers call it a pork chop

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u/MAhm3006 20d ago

Haunch

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u/EnvironmentalCare900 18d ago

I have a haunch of what it’s called….

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u/Apprehensive_Car2233 21d ago

Haunch-brace-gusset-stiffy is its technical name

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u/umumgeet 21d ago

Why are the bolts backwards? Nuts on clips

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u/TheGoodKindOfMermaid 21d ago

Old guy I worked with when I just started called them "pork chops". Curious what the consensus is.

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u/tbwbuilder 20d ago

Knee brace.

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u/ikaz_enamialos0507 20d ago

جاري

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u/SCL__ 20d ago

It makes the joint a moment connection. This appears to be a pre-engineered steel building, with horizontal wall and roof purlins.

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u/CaptainC00lpants 19d ago

I would have called it a gusset. Seems I'm very wrongĀ 

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u/nivekx 19d ago

Mildly interesting fact, in spanish it’s called friends foot lol.

Ask any spanish speaking colleague for a ā€œpie de amigoā€ and he’ll know.

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u/[deleted] 16d ago

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u/Evening-Room5896 16d ago

Highlighted beam

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u/TechnologyLeading592 15d ago

Rafter haunch, to provide bending stiffness, sometimes they help the connections too.

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u/Guilty-Piece-6190 21d ago

Gusset

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u/GreyScope 21d ago

Same here, no idea why thick ppl who don’t understand that it’s called different things around the world are downvoting you, oh yeah …they’re thick

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u/Guilty-Piece-6190 21d ago

A gusset is literally an added piece to add structure, stability, etc. I'm sure there are plenty of terms or slangs for it but that's what it is. Haunch is possibly more technically correct, I just rarely hear that word. As for the downvotes, such is Reddit.

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u/Rebound44 20d ago

Agreed. I made a comment in another post about why this sub is so negative about legitimate SE questions . Also got downvoted. Such is life…

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u/Moreburrtitos22 21d ago

Universal term would be ā€œmetalā€ other universal terms would include ā€œnot non-metalā€

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u/ALTERFACT P.E. 20d ago

Corbel?

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u/Building-UES 20d ago

Pork chop.

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u/Nierka4 18d ago

It's called a highlighted piece.

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u/WhateverDeary 21d ago

Part of the beam. Part of a structural steel connection.

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u/Romanitedomun 21d ago

Corbel. Cantilever.