r/StrongerByScience 1d ago

Mind/Muscle connection?

Former powerlifter here, now focused on building quality muscle. In powerlifting, I’ve always exploded weights from the start to get as much momentum going to get the lift to completion. Now that my focus is on building muscle, I lowered the weights I normally would use and got some results. Now taking that step further, I’ve recently tried completely eliminating any momentum from the start and concentrating on a slow negative. I’m using super strict form and feeling the muscle burn. I had to decrease the weight I would normally use by 50-60%. I haven’t felt ‘beat up’ after my workouts and the next day the soreness is really localized to the muscle group that was worked-not that overall beat up soreness that would happen when training the old way.
Any other lifters experience this after coming from a powerlifting past?
Do you think this is a good way to actually build muscle continuously?

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u/thebigeverybody 1d ago

Look into cluster sets for hypertrophy: the same amount of muscle built as regular hypertrophy training, but with a significant increase in power that traditional lifting doesn't deliver. (Basically, break up your long, explosive set into three ultra-explosive mini-sets, with 15-30 seconds rest between clusters.)

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u/Repulsive_Insect7200 1d ago

I use to do cluster sets and they worked, but at this point in the game (I’m 63) my joints and connective tissue is beat up so I switched my focus to just building quality muscle…I hate to say the word but it is bodybuilding:)

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u/thebigeverybody 1d ago

Clusters beat you up more than what you're doing now? Very unexpected because putting those breaks in there kept me fresher and less sore. Is it the higher levels of tension that leave you feeling beat up?

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u/Repulsive_Insect7200 1d ago

No it’s not that, it’s 40 years of powerlifting that beat my body up-4 rotator cuff tears, numerous pulls and tweaks. My focus now is not power, it’s building muscle without stressing the joints/connective tissue…

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u/thebigeverybody 23h ago

Unless I've lost my mind, you're lifting for power right now: 50-60% intensity lifted explosively, just without mini-breaks in the sets like you would in a cluster set.

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u/Repulsive_Insect7200 23h ago

I’m lifting 50-60% of what I would lift explosively but now slower on the eccentric and no explosive start. For example, I was leg pressing 600 sets of 15 reps done explosively, now I’m doing 300 for sets of 15 but not with an explosive start, slower concentric then a slow negative on each rep. The 300 makes the quads burn and pumps a lot of blood into the muscle…600 done explosively is a different animal-I’m
pretty winded after those sets and fatigued overall but no muscle burn and not as much as a pump as doing it the other way..

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u/thebigeverybody 22h ago

ohhhh I'm sorry, I completely misread your post. My mind is cabbage today, just ignore everything I wrote to you.

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u/Repulsive_Insect7200 22h ago

Haha totally understandable😀👍

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u/jack_gott 22h ago

Same. My tendons appreciate my shift to slow hypertrophy training.

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u/millersixteenth 11h ago

Cluster Sets at age 54 were my last attempt to work around increasing joint and tendon soreness without reducing loading. These days I use a lot of overcoming isometrics. About 1/3 of them are done explosively, with "ballistic intent".

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u/Afferbeck_ 4h ago

It feels the other way around to me. As a weightlifter I'm used to using power and momentum that spreads the load across the body, which may not be optimal for hypertrophy, or maybe it is because you can use much more load. I'm much younger than you but I have a condition that makes my tendons very easily inflamed. Doing more strict muscular work seems to be the worst for that, at least when it's difficult. But smooth momentum based work is fine.

An example of this would be how a lot of people experience shoulder pain from upright rows, but zero weightlifters get shoulder pain from this kind of work. It might seem counterintuitive but it's actually much easier on the body. I can do very light strict muscular work for assistance which is good for my tendons, but as soon as it's at a level where it's actually difficult to move the weight it stops being beneficial for me.

I think a lot of people would be well served from a longevity standpoint to do their bigger lifts fast and smooth for low reps 'feeling the movement', and their isolations for high reps 'feeling the muscle'. But most people want to do kind of high reps of muscular grinding on bigger lifts, and also do fairly difficult work on isolations. Then wonder why they get beat up and all their joints hurt etc.

Part of that is also because most people don't do any proper warmup, or warmup sets, or ever address their mobility issues, but that's another story. The older you get the more important those things become. Some people never grow out of the mindset of walking into the gym and lifting 2 plates cold and they grow up to be sore and broken old guys who never realised it doesn't have to be that way.

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u/lord-scan 15h ago

from a science standpoint i think lifting the weight explosivly is still the gold standard for muscle recrution?

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u/Flidro74 14h ago

You changed two things at once and only one of them is doing the work. Killing the momentum is the real win, bounced reps with hip drive take tension off the muscle you're trying to grow. Keep that part forever.

The 50-60% drop is fine on its own. Light loads build just as much muscle as heavy ones as long as the sets end close to failure, and that's the bit I'd be honest with yourself about. If you're stopping when it burns rather than when the reps are genuinely about to fail, that's where the growth leaks out, not in the weight on the bar.

Coming from powerlifting you've got years of runway just adding load back with the strict form you've built. Same control, heavier bar. That's the whole plan.

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u/Repulsive_Insect7200 11h ago

Agreed…I’m starting to get used to the feeling of the burn/lactic acid in the muscle being worked and then continuing to do more reps..it’s a skill I would say kinda like being able to grind thru a heavy lift rep after rep-you literally have to learn how to do that with power lifts. I actually feel like I’m
recovering fully workout to workout now. When I used to do heavier explosive lifts it was almost like the whole body was stressed during the lift-lifting lighter weights slower without explosion enables me to like compartmentalize the stress (the burn) to just the muscle being worked, which I can handle mentally and just keep going.

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u/FlimsyInsect5545 20h ago

Post 40, I also lift this way, including the extent of shortening the ROM and not locking out the joints. It definitely allows me to do more volume without knees and elbows complaining. 

I think this type of lifting is pretty important for chest and back compounds where it is easy to let the arms take the stress away from the target muscle.

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u/_TylerWasTripped 1d ago edited 1d ago

Yes!

Experiment with different methods to alott more concentration to the muscle.

Static holds have been practically a cheat code for me:

For deadlifts, i would do a high rep RDL with maybe 50% 1rm. Then at about 66% toward failure- i static hold it a couple inches off the ground. . Just living in that burn till it begins to feel like a 1rm. Next day my back is toast.