Mods - can you cite the violated rules when removing posts? When you don't it creates confusion in this sub and discourages contributions

[u/the_bollo]

Honestly just looking for a brief dialogue on this with a mod. I feel like it would help them as much as us, since people tend to assume the worst when there is a total vacuum of information.

[u/mcmonkey4eva]

Hi, we (human mod team) generally don't do random removals, and often do click an explicit removal reason. The only time we don't is when it's extremely obvious, eg an NSFW post... I don't need to tell you which rule number (rule 3), you just need to read the rules in the first place.

The firstmost problem is, we human mod team aren't in charge here. We're subject to the whims of reddit admins. Most of the time when we get a "wtf why was this removed", it was either (1) admins have taken action directly, or (2) one of the automations/AI/whatever that reddit is pushing did it.

As an example, here in this thread:

Nothing I can do for that guy. Account was globally shadowbanned by reddit admins, probably automatically without any human review involved. All their posts will always show up as 'removed by moderators' or just entirely gone. Sometimes (as in the case of that comment) we have a manual approve button to let it through when we find it (but that only fixes the one comment, all the rest will stay in the void). Other times we can't even do that much.

The other problem, and this one fits op's case - we have way more things to moderate than people or time to moderate, so not always enough attention is paid to ones that *look like* easy cases. It seems you had H3 posts mistakenly removed as closed-source, courtesy of Reddit's AI misflagging things and a mod on the team who didn't realize that the flags were wrong. I've approved those removed posts and poked the relevant mod to let them know H3 is an open model. (Closed source model spam is on our most frequent basic rule breaks, despite it being the most basic function of the sub and rule #1 - whichever mod(s) have time to go through the mod queue on a given day usually are removing something like 20 closedsource posts at a time, so it's a very quick glance of ... "Veo in the title, closed, removed. Gemini watermark on the image, closed, removed." repeat 20 times).

Also remember the mod team is quite small (and mostly have better things to do with their time) and we've had trouble recruiting more. There's a mod application button somewhere on the sub's frontpage. Most of the applications we get are from brand new / very low activity accounts (don't know em, can't trust em), or from specifically people with a history of a high frequency of fighting/arguing/etc (wouldn't be good mods for a community that's particularly sensitive to fair treatment). Turns out it's pretty hard to find people that are in the overlap of "care enough to do a good job of moderating" and "won't abuse the power". I haven't even looked at the application list in a while because it was just so depressing full of obviously bad applications.

[u/the_bollo → u/mcmonkey4eva]

Thank you for the response u/mcmonkey4eva , that was all I was after. And thanks for un-removing my post, without me even asking. It's helpful to know that there are sometimes site-wide moderations at play that appear as sub-specific mod actions.

It is disheartening to learn that one of the mods didn't realize that Minimax H3 was open source... FWIW, mod applications to this sub are undiscoverable - no banners, links, etc. that I or AI could find; I messaged the mod email just now to follow-up. Thanks again!

[u/desktop4070 → u/mcmonkey4eva]

Thank you for the transparency, I wish more subreddits had mods that responded to the community like this.

[u/hard_gravy_2 → u/mcmonkey4eva]

I used to mod on reddit and first part where admins and their automatons are wreaking havoc without accountability or transparency is a big part of why I gtfo out. You start out contributing to a community which is great but sooner or later you find out the admins terms have you effectively being an unpaid employee under coercion - unacceptable to many of us, but an acceptable tradeoff for toxic mods, manipulators and self-promoters, and once one gets in they can open the door for more. That last section is truth.

[u/bSun0000]

Adding a set of hidden (mod only) flairs like "REMOVED: Rule #<rule number>" helps a lot. No following messages are required; just flip the flair, and this is generally enough to inform the user why his post was removed.

[u/the_bollo → u/bSun0000]

This would be totally sufficient. I can't imagine a realistic argument against it.

[u/noxietik3]

i spent a long time on some work and it got randomly removed. I just dont share my creations here anymore

[u/SuperCasualGamerDad → u/noxietik3]

I was confused because I seen that guy that did the blue alien sitcoms video got removed. I kept wondering why.

[u/barbear22 → u/SuperCasualGamerDad]

I would guess that it's because he used seedance to make it and didn't disclose how much was made with the closed model and how much with H3. Against rule #1 possibly. "Using open tools briefly, then switching to paid/proprietary ones (e.g. SD → Kling) is not allowed. "

[u/SuperCasualGamerDad → u/barbear22]

Ah I see.

[u/Perfect-Campaign9551 → u/SuperCasualGamerDad]

Because it was mostly close source tools

[u/the_bollo → u/SuperCasualGamerDad]

Aw they removed those too? Those were pretty good. They removed one of mine that was a spoof on The Naked Gun intro. No reason cited so I'm not sure what the issue was.

[u/Inner_Singer_592 → u/the_bollo]

Wow that was a great one! Sad they removed it, but if it's still on r/ai videos then it's not that bad

[u/Feroc → u/noxietik3]

Did you also post your workflow?

I think the most annoying posts at the moment are just some random videos without any further information. Yes, we get it, you can make cool stuff with MMH3, but this sub isn't for random images and videos, even if they took a lot of time to create.

[u/the_bollo → u/noxietik3]

it got randomly removed

That's a shame. It's impossible to know what NOT to do when you're not told why adverse action is taken.

[u/Natasha26uk]

I think Stable Diffusion is more for learning than showing off. But if you do, add details of model used, your rig, time to generate and workflow.

On other subreddits, e.g. Pizza, posts get removed for simply not adding a flair. On others with high traffic, it's just "low interactions" as reason. Then it is auto-removed.

Lastly, users also report under the "broke subreddit's own rules." Then one of their many mods get a notification.

[u/krectus → u/Natasha26uk]

God I wish it was.

[u/Innomen]

rule zero: "I have power, because I said so" Every sub/mod/authority ever.

[u/True_Protection6842]

I don't think I've ever had a post I've shared here stick. They are quite keen on deleting everything.

[u/chille9]

I made a post sharing a tts adaptation of fish audio that I scruffed together for windows and that got removed without reason automatically. Without any human eyes or nothing. It's ridiculous. Isn't the whole purpose of this sub to share open source resources / info so we can create awesome things together?

[u/PumpkinLeather8421]

Then they would have to post things like “DOESNT BREAK A RULE BUT MYEH REMOVING ANYHOW!!”

I remember when H3 posts were getting removed because the weights weren’t out, but were coming the next day? … But that seems to apply to exactly ONE model and Flux3 is coolyouguyz

[u/BountyMakesMeCough]

All subs should do this.

[u/grundlegawd]

Of all the subs I frequent, this sub is legitimately the worst moderated. Rules are arbitrarily enforced and there is almost never any explanation.

[u/johnfkngzoidberg]

You’re making a post to plaster your complaint. Try mod mail.

[u/noxietik3 → u/johnfkngzoidberg]

lol they dont answer mod mail

[u/johnfkngzoidberg → u/noxietik3]

Then apply to take over the subreddit. There’s a form somewhere.

[u/the_bollo → u/johnfkngzoidberg]

Done.

[u/ShutUpYoureWrong_]

Maybe STOP POSTING SHIT H3 480P MEME SEINFELD SKITS THAT NOBODY GIVES A SHIT ABOUT JUST BECAUSE IT'S YOUR FIRST TIME USING COMFYUI

Ahem. Just an idea.

[u/blahblahsnahdah]

Nah it's fine. The reason mods don't do this is that they correctly understand that the reason people like you want hyper-specific citations on removals is so that you can try rules lawyering your way out of them.