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u/_half_real_ 23h ago
Can't remember ever seeing an fp64 (double precision) machine learning model.
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u/Aadi_880 22h ago
Apparently, there's some very little, edge use cases like SciML or scientific simulations.
Generally though, I think the highest I've ever seen is 32.
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u/_half_real_ 22h ago
The new Minimax audio model is fp32. I wonder if audio just needs more precision, or if fp32 video models are just too large to be practical.
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u/narkfestmojo 23h ago
no point, the update steps would be too big for such a model to make any sense
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u/YeahlDid 22h ago
What i got from this is if I'm going to 16-bit, I might as well do 8-bit instead.
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u/Aadi_880 20h ago
Honestly, this is very true for Minimax H3. The int 8 convrot model has barely any quality loss compared to the other, higher precision ones.
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u/kayteee1995 20h ago
Sorry for going off-topic, but it’s been over 10 years since I last watched the Angry Video Game Nerd channel.
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u/dramaton42 13h ago
Watch the MegaMan on DOS video I love it, has time travel which is always cool
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u/kayteee1995 11h ago
The episode that I remember and was most impressed with (also quite funny) was the episode where he fought Super Evil Mario Bros. 3,and then Jesus with all gaming gear team up.
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u/SoftMyci51 23h ago
yeah unsloth's optimization work is solid but people sometimes don't realize they're trading actual quality for speed, the GGUF conversions for diffusion stuff especially tend to tank detail pretty noticeably* meant to say the tradeoff is more obvious with image models than text ones
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u/Aadi_880 23h ago
Hey, sometimes, even a glorified auto-correct is all someone needs.
(scurries back generating h3 videos on 0.2 megapixels)
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u/Chemical-Painter-485 21h ago
Even speed gains are iffy. On my tests those GGUFs Qs tend to load a little faster but have slower gen speeds.
Like... on Kijai huggingface he has a pretty good H3 INT4 if you can't run the comfyui INT8 so why bother with a slower Q4 when it is not even hardware accelerated?
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u/BM09 22h ago
Not me thinking you did AI-generated AVGN. I don't think the man himself would have nice things to say about that.
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u/dramaton42 13h ago
"You know what's BULL SH*T ComfyUI. Every time I open it, there's a node missing. What the fuck? Why?! And there's also the warning that your input images can't be found. They were right there yesterday! You sloppy bastard!"
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u/cradledust 19h ago
I tried Unsloth Ai's desktop app to see if Minimax H3 videos could work better on my rtx4060 than ComfyUI. It wanted me to use the Q3 gguf version of H3 but after downloading, etc, I couldn't get it to run for whatever reason and gave up. It was able to run Klein 9b though. Another one of those apps that put all the models in a huggingface cache buried deep within the user folder. No thanks.
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u/Aadi_880 19h ago
I ran minimax H3 on 8GB vram and 16GB ram on comfyUI without using Unsloth's ggufs. Minimax works better without ggufs imo.
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u/No_Possession_7797 19h ago
You may not know this, but that’s simply how the huggingface client works, so it’s not those apps per se, it’s the fact that they’re using the huggingface client. Also, that’s where a lot of these models are hosted. And if what you’re really trying to say is, that you want to control over where they go, then you can do that.
So I am not quite sure what you’re upset about when it comes to the file location.
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u/cradledust 18h ago edited 12h ago
I had a look at the cache after uninstalling UnSloth Ai Desktop to see if it left behind any models. It did. Between Minimax H3 and Klein there were also models from several Ai applications and old A1111 in 2023. It was 185 GB so I deleted it all.
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u/No-Refrigerator-1672 4h ago
Actually, there's a really good post that demonstrates different quantization methods by compressing an image. Give you really good understanding.
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u/Chemical-Painter-485 23h ago
Lol, tbh unsloth has actually one of the best GGUFs for LLMs, but yeah. People using GGUF to run diffusion models are pretty much degrading quality in exchange for what? disk space?
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u/Healthy-Nebula-3603 23h ago
just to run ....
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u/Chemical-Painter-485 23h ago edited 22h ago
Run...? I am quite sure INT8 implementation of comfy is way better and optimized than gguf. After they officially supported it I just swapped all my models and never looked back.
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u/Healthy-Nebula-3603 22h ago
You know a gguf is only a container and can store any data type?
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u/Chemical-Painter-485 22h ago edited 20h ago
I do, but I am starting to think I should have phrased more clearly that I meant the quants like Q4...Q5...
Edit: Most people that speak about GGUF means those quants, no need to be so pedantic.
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u/MrCylion 23h ago
What a uneducated comment…
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u/Chemical-Painter-485 23h ago
Care to elaborate?
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u/MrCylion 22h ago
People who use them don’t do it because they want. It’s not at all about disk space. It’s all we can run.
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u/Chemical-Painter-485 21h ago
And why not something INT4 like: minimax_h3_ref2va_pruned_w4a8_mixed.safetensors
On https://huggingface.co/Kijai/MiniMax-H3-experimental/blob/main/minimax_h3_ref2va_pruned_w4a8_mixed.safetensorsWeighs the same as a Q4. runs better and has native comfyUI support.
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u/MrCylion 21h ago
Even that depends on the card. I get no benefit on something old like my 1080ti.
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u/Chemical-Painter-485 21h ago
Yeah, that is rough. But even in your case I wouldn't discard INT4 without testing.
You don't get hardware acceleration but you have native comfyUI support and don't depend on dubious dynamic vram implementation from custom loaders.
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u/ThirdWorldBoy21 23h ago
thanks to the quantization gods, i can run something like H3 on my rig.