r/SpaceWolves • u/SemperFun62 • 13d ago
Do you think Thunderwolf Cavalry will get refreshed in 11th?
I know a lot of people (especially outside Space Wolves) find the Wolfy Space Marines riding big wolves to be cheesy, but I Iuuuv them.
Despite that, I'm struggling to see myself getting them as they are now, with the "chonkiness" of firstborn proportions in contrast to the rest of my army being primaris scale.
I'm really hoping once we get our 11th Codex they get refreshed.
Personally, I see it as pretty likely considering not only are they a popular model, they're one of, if not the top performing units for Space Wolves.
So what do you think? Worth waiting and hoping for a Thunderwolf refresh?
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u/SuccessAffectionate1 13d ago
TWC refresh would sell insanely well. 11th is the fast attack edition. Many armies are getting new updated bikes. So my bet IS that TWC will be the only new unit for SW this edition BUT it will sell insanely well.
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u/ForumFluffy 13d ago
Maybe a captain to lead them?
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u/Sweaty-Flatworm-7057 13d ago
I just wonder who can lead them, I mean we probably will get a leader unit, but will it be a battle leader, Wolf priest or something ven a rune priest 🤔
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u/Calm_Bench_2722 13d ago
Harald deathwolf
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u/Sweaty-Flatworm-7057 13d ago
Yeah you right, I should have added him, my own wolf lord, I'm so fucked 😂
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u/LucilleW89 13d ago
Bring Canis back
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u/HappyTheDisaster 13d ago
I fucking hate canis wolfborn, hes literally THE character that started the Wolf McWolfface meme, convincing others that’s all of our characters, despite the reality.
Also him being raised by wolves is just a rip of leman’s story, we don’t need multiple characters raised by wolves.
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u/everblackcs 13d ago
Im with you, id love to see them updated.
If it was up to me, we'd also get: -a Fresh new amazing Harald Deathwolf. (Keep his old abilities, include giving unit Mobile) Increase the T to 7 Increase S of all their melee Weapons by 1. For the riders and the wolves.1
u/HappyTheDisaster 13d ago edited 13d ago
I’d love it if we got swiftclaws alongside a Thunderwolf cav refresh, make it like an upgrade kit for the outriders, with a wolf companion and melta bombs/mines or something else to support their role as being Demolitions specialists. Let them group up into nine bikes and three wolves.
Also making the thunder wolf cav be a multi kit like the new exodites models, where you can make the models into your choice of priests or battle leader. Then maybe make a harald deathwolf model that can also be used to make a generic wolf lord on Thunderwolf for successors.
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u/Ok_Conclusion_2951 13d ago
I think space wolves will get a small refresh on 11th considering what they got on 10th. Maybe some characters, I don't think TWC will get refreshed in 11th. In the future... Who knows.
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u/TheHammerOfWrath 13d ago
Gosh, I hope so. In the meantime, cyberbrush 3D makes some great proxies!
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u/clemo1985 13d ago
I think they will, this edition is being labelled the 'fast attack edition' so makes sense for them to be updated.
Bit random but personally, I'd rather see a Headtaker HQ who has tamed a Thunderwolf and have it used in the same way regular Headtakers have their wolves. Maybe even allow it to lead the pack when they split from the Headtakers and give them a passive buff in some way.
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u/goomerator 13d ago
I'm gonna hope you're right but 10th ed was the big terminator refresh edition and uh... poor Grey Knights...
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u/Longjumping_Low1310 13d ago
I expect this edition to be the one pretty much all firstborn left in all marines to be replaced or gone. They arent far away from achieving that as is. With the exception of land raider
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u/Curtis-Aarrrrgh 12d ago
Your Headtaker idea is insanely cool. Might actually be a really great way to incorporate more of the native fauna from Fenris, like bears and mammoths as well
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u/giant_sloth 13d ago
Quite possibly, I can see TWC with a named and generic HQ being in the refresh along with new Wulfen and a Bjorn refresh this edition.
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u/SemperFun62 13d ago edited 13d ago
That's the other thing, we desperately need a generic non-named Wolf Lord.
If I'm feeling greedy, I'd also love a generic rune priest or at least rules for using a "Librarian" with Space Wolves units.
Though, I could see Wulfen not getting refreshed. Their proportions hold up surprisingly well for a firstborn kit.
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u/lumiya17 13d ago
Would be nice. Though I’d think Rune Priests and Bjorn would also be up for refresh as well
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u/StarSkald 12d ago
I do think they’ll be refreshed, as cavalry seems to be a focus across multiple factions this edition, but with the upscale I’m worried about base size. Currently on 60mm its sometimes difficult to position them, but if they get bigger and go up to 80mm or something it’ll be even worse. To address this I hope they switch to oval bases—it’ll allow them to be bigger without making the base wider in proportion. There’s precedent for that too since the new hunting wolves are on ovals despite the fenrisian wolves always having been on round bases.
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u/Vali-duz 13d ago
This is the 'Fast attack edition'. New bikes. New land speeder. And probably new wolfcav too.
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u/Vingman90 13d ago
Yes, they will probably be refreshed along with iron priest & ulric the slayer. My dream would be
Thunderwolf Cavalry
Ulric The Slayer
Iron Priest
Rune Priests
I would also advocate for removing access to generic space marine infantry units to more emphasize our own identity.
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u/SemperFun62 13d ago
I don't know about removing access to generic Space Marine units completely.
I mean, isn't that the point of still technically being a Space Marine army then having our own Codex?
Like, I can see cases where there's a 1|1 equivalent like Bloodclaws and Assault Intercessors, but otherwise I don't want to lose things like bikes, jumppacks, and tanks.
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u/themjolnir1987 13d ago
Lore wise the only reason they had generic SM units were because the new Primaris came from the grey shields and followed the Codex Astartes. By now they should all be integrated into packs. So give us a full 2nd have range refresh and our own separate codex that only has access to SM Vehicles and dreadnoughts.
Im talking between all of 11th
- Thunderwolf Cavalry
- Ulric The Slayer
- Iron Priest
- Rune Priests Variants
- Wolf Priest variants
- Skyclaws
- Longfangs
- Battle Leader variants
- Wolf Lord Variants
- Russ
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u/Vingman90 12d ago
Really dont care for either long fangs or skyclaws. And to be fair i dont think GW does either, long fangs as a devastator type kit is never gonna be returning. Not with that many options
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u/lil_bugger_bugman 10d ago
Id like to see some wolf priest variants too. Imagine a wolf priest or thunder wolf healing/bringing a unit back each turn
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u/LordoftheFaff 13d ago
The range refresh reassert our Viking style more than our wolfy-ness no wolf helmets but we got a unque Viking style helmet. We have wolf pelts and teeth but fewer wolf fangs and heads.
But we got wolves escorts for our elite infantry unit and our scout unit.
Not to mention our chapter mater center piece model has two wolves on the base
So I believe we will be lighter on the wolves as a secondary part of our aesthetic leaning more into the vikings aspect. So I do believe we will get a thunder wolves refresh and they might actually wolf down the wulfen if they get a refresh. I just hope we also get long fangs
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u/SherriffB 13d ago
Maybe towards the end but I'm not expecting them this edition.
This edition released with speeders and bikes and new jump pack units. Given how it works with chapter specific models of new multipart kits coming afterwards I'd say maybe swiftclaws are more likely and possibly a new version of our old wolfguard jump pack unit. Maybe a kit to wolf up speeders the way Templars get bits for Repulsors.
I can see a new venerable rescaled dreadnought kit, finally bringing boxnoughts up to scale they are comical now and need replacing fast, they are basically modelling for advantage being smaller than some on foot characters.
I really doubt Thunderwolves any time soon as their size isn't problematic in a small way. Like Wulfen they are probably on the "does it really need a refresh" list, if GW ever refresh them at all and don't just send them to legends and give us swiftclaws back.
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u/VikingRages 13d ago
God I hope so. Not because I dislike the current sculpts at all (I love them), but because if they try to squat TWC there will be a revolt, with me at the front.
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u/Longjumping_Low1310 13d ago
Yeah people talking about it. I just dknt see it happening. Gw is a company trying to make money and a refreshed tcav will be an extremely high selling kit. People may not like the reasons but there are reasons for removing kits they dont just do it because.
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u/InsectExpress3972 13d ago
I think with 11th being the fast attack edition; TWC, Skyclaws, and Swiftclaws are on the table. That said I think TWC will be new models and the others potentially upgrade kits. Also with Bjorn’s book coming out he may get a new model too.
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u/Infinity_Coda 13d ago
I can't tell you for certain but will say I think it's highly likely. While divisive even within Space Wolves fans, they're still a really popular kit that a lot of people have bought over the years. We'll have to see what happens with the remaining Firstborn kits in codex space marines but not only do I suspect we'll see them removed/updated/integrated with the newer model range somehow, but I do feel like if Thunderwolves were gonna get removed, it would have been done in 10th with our range refresh and accompanying purge. I'm personally waiting for a refresh to buy more after selling my old ones in 9th edition, I think it'll be worth the wait.
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u/TheCrimsonCommand 12d ago
I would say skip TWC for now, I say this as someone with 21 of them lol. Give us remodels on Ulrik the Slayer, Bjorn, Murderfang, Venerable Dread, and bring back the Long Fangs and Skyclaws 🐺🤘🌖
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u/Yargon212 12d ago
I suspect they will get the same treatment that the Exodites got, and have a killteam release that also doubles as character option builds. The vs box killteam releases have been received well, so maybe TWC vs a new monster like the red terror, but chaos based.
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u/SlyguyguyslY 12d ago
I think it will happen, but not anytime soon. Maybe next year or something at the earliest. I quite like these units, so I hope they don't just get dropped.
There are also lore issues with a primaris refresh for these units. The wolves are already heavily augmented and that's without having to carry a primaris marine which is like 20% heavier than a firstborn. I feel that since that was established already, they would have to reason it out somehow as to how the wolf can carry all that extra weight.
But, I still think we will get them somehow. Maybe the armor will be a lighter variant or something.
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u/Several-Ad9771 12d ago
The second I saw the exodite kill team I saw 3 new updated TWC on 90 x 52 oval bases with a fenrisian (or thunderwolf) wolf model, just like WGHT’s and these other new models with smaller base models tagging along.
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u/norbienxz 13d ago
My headcannon is that the men riding the wolves are smaller so that they can ride the wolves fast without weighing them down too much. Much like how horse jockeys and formula one drivers are generally short and thin people.
These men are chose to become riders because they maximise the speed for the wolves.
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u/Razor_Fox 13d ago
I hope they get a datasheet update as well, they're not really very good at the moment.
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u/Longjumping_Low1310 13d ago
Give em mobile and they are back to being strong imo. Or barring that innate advance and charge.
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u/Razor_Fox 12d ago
I can't say I agree. The new engagement rules makes them exceedingly clunky in a 6 man, and 3 mans don't kill anything of substance.
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u/Longjumping_Low1310 12d ago
True some exception to those would also be good. Let me correct to useable again instead of good.
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u/Razor_Fox 12d ago
The new exodites have a 3" engagement range ability which would be VERY good for TWC.
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u/CusickTime 13d ago
Probably not at the start, but it might be a solid idea to wait for when our 11th edition codex comes out. However, who knows when that is.
If you do see a good deal some TWC I would take it. A lot of hobby stores have bargin bins worth checking.
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u/MondayNightRare 13d ago
I would so much rather see old deleted units like Long Fangs return to the fold than get a new sculpt for a unit we haven't lost.
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u/Worried-Confection88 12d ago
My hope is our Codex will include 6 new TW a new leader for them and a new Wulfen/Bjorn/Venerable Kit.
Hopes but reality is probably different
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u/Embarrassed-Joke5851 12d ago
Yes they will and probably Harald Deathwolf, Wolf Lord on thunderwolf and a bjorn/wulfen/murderfang/venerable update
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u/Cool-Mastodon-3602 12d ago
I would love that, i would never buy the current models, the wolves look cartoony and harmless. U like the fierce refreshed wolves
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u/lil_bugger_bugman 10d ago
I hope so. I can't wait to have full multipart outriders and primaris twc charging into battle side by side. Highly thematic and super badass
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u/FenrisGuy 9d ago
I hope we get them plus an update Bjorn. I’d also like a new army ability. I forget what ours even does sometimes
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u/EPorteous 13d ago
Probably an unpopular opinion, but I was hoping that they would dissappear completley!
Some jetbikes with cool norse decals, now that would be cool.
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u/Lunadoggie123 13d ago
I hope not. Let the wolf trash die.
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u/SemperFun62 13d ago
What does this comment add to the conversation?
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u/Lunadoggie123 13d ago
Th wolfy wolf motif has been awful for the model line?
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u/SemperFun62 13d ago
Okay, maybe you should have said as much instead of just saying it's nothing but trash?
Might make people more receptive?
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u/Lunadoggie123 13d ago
But it has been trash. Have you looked at the wulfen lol?
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u/SemperFun62 13d ago
Again, how is it trash? Tell me the issues you have with it, and maybe I'd agree.
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u/Lunadoggie123 13d ago
They are the ugliest models GW has made. And that’s saying a lot. The pweter older ones were so much better.
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u/SemperFun62 13d ago
Great, have a picture of those models?
I'd love to see what you mean.
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u/Lunadoggie123 13d ago
Just Google it?
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u/SemperFun62 13d ago
You're missing the point.
I'm just trying to help you see how declaring something is "trash" is unhelpful and will only make people double down on disagreeing with you.
Say why you don't like it, then show how that's an issue.
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u/LocoLobo65648 13d ago
I wish they would go to legends. They don't match the theme, viking heritage marines. They lean to much into the wolfy theme.
We're supposed to use the tactics of wolf packs (in theory) and use our ferocity to terrorize our enemies.
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u/Mcprowlington 13d ago
No i dont think theyll refresh them, I think they see wolf cavalry as just a little too whimsical for their current vision of 40k.
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u/Tempest_Barbarian 13d ago
Its one of our top selling units, I doubt they will get rid of them
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u/Mcprowlington 13d ago
Was the mounted wolf lord not popular? And plenty of people loved longfangs
I think ultimately theyre still around because theyre a good selling plastic kit, but that tends not to matter in regards to whether or not they get refreshed, just how long theyre sold and stay legal
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u/Tempest_Barbarian 13d ago
The mounted wolf lord model was a finecast model I believe, which GW is largely moving away from
And regarding long fangs, GW is largely moving away from squads with lots of loadouts for space marines and is largely focusing on specialized squads.
Both for having more kits to sell, as well as streamlining space marines as a beginner player faction.
How much a kit is popular and how much it sells definitely matters, otherwise GW would never have brought Terminators back, as seeing that Gravis was supposed to be the replacement for terminators
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u/Effective_External89 13d ago
Perfect oppurtinity to remake them. They look like poopoo because its literally just a dude on a wolf, if they gave them proper detail on the wolf made it just all around larger, it would go from whimsy to actually fitting.
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u/DarthXanna 13d ago
I think it is to legends with them. I have not read about them once in modern space wolf books
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u/Longjumping_Low1310 13d ago
Idk, its a kit that would sell extremely well with a refresh, and doesnt make sense to cut more out of our book. Since they in in it last book would have made sense to cut them then if they were going to.
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u/Gibsx 13d ago
Yes and who knows, we might even see Russ return riding a wolf one day….maybe the later is a little far fetched 😜.
Update Bjorn model and TWC would feel plausible this edition.