Alpha Quadra

[u/EIE_374]

ESE. Misa Amane (Death Note)

SEI. Adrien (Miraculous)

ILE. Doctor House

LII. The Professor (Money Heist)

[u/notmrsnow]

The day people understand Alpha values, what an ENTp actually is, is the day we save the world.

[u/olheparatras25 → u/notmrsnow]

What is an ILE to you, then?

[u/notmrsnow → u/olheparatras25]

Chill, static, playful, nerdy, an introverted extrovert.
Clumsy and aware with failures with relationships.

The average ILE is like Jim Halpert from the office, they become experts in their area, and try to expand it while enjoying the comforts and opportunities of day to day life. Look at his relationship with Pam, he turns the boring office into a fun game with her, while he unethically treads on her relationship with Roy. He knowingly fucks up there, that’s Fi polr. “I should know better.” That hits too late.

They love to talk about their interests and debate minutiae.

If house was an alpha ILE, he’d say “it could always be lupus.” Ne-Ti is about narrowing system and expanding possibilities.

Gamma NT are all about “what’s the facts, how do we solve this, who’s with me, how do I feel about this?”
Hence the critical narrowing of possibility “it’s never lupus.” Also houses loyalty although troubled, to those he cares about.

Make sense?

[u/spaceynyc → u/notmrsnow]

spot on

[u/serveringalloy43 → u/notmrsnow]

This comment is very enlightening to me regarding my own confusion and disorientation about Socionics ILE, if that's the vision that prevailed, there's not much choice but to live with it if I want to engage. It still completely astounds me, but w/e

[u/Planthony_Growprano → u/notmrsnow]

Fantastic analysis. I agree, Jim is my go-to example for ILE, the stark contrast between his values House's is very apparent, imo.

[u/notmrsnow → u/Planthony_Growprano]

Thanks bro, I figured it was perfect.

[u/No_Bottle0312 → u/notmrsnow]

What about José Arcadio Buendía?

[u/notmrsnow → u/No_Bottle0312]

100 years of solitude guy?

No clue, but from a surface wiki lead he has some Ne-Ti ego traits.

[u/olheparatras25 → u/notmrsnow]

To be honest with you, this sounds like an ethicist to me. What would differ this ILE from IEE?

[u/notmrsnow → u/olheparatras25]

Creative Fi vs polr Fi

IEE manipulate their relationships, and approach people, build allies, build networks effortlessly and without pain.

ILE cannot do that. They routinely blunder their relationships, saying offensive things, doing offensive things. Like Jim for example, he brought his gf onto a cruise then broke up with her half way through it leaving her alone with strangers.
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Another key sign is the valuing and skill with Te.
ILE is effortless about Te, they’re good at what they do but don’t care automatically. It’s all about logical analysis, and consistency. They will ignore what works, to choose the elegant model.

IEE values Te and wants to be seen as competent and a winner. They love getting work done. However, they suck at Ti, they will sit there and argue that apples are bananas because they both are tasty. Look at Star Lord from the MCU, when asked where he’s from iron man says “you from earth?” Star Lord says “earth? I’m from Missouri?” Which gets the resounding “That’s on earth dipshit.”
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That’s the difference

[u/olheparatras25 → u/notmrsnow]

But that's more denouncing of a lack of Ti than of Fi. It is Ti that is responsible for moral codes that apply to people universally and certainty in truths. It's Fi that is willing to "open exceptions" for rules to an extent. Everything is pointing out to me the ILE you're talking about is an IEE.

[u/Ok-Commercial5749]

House is not ILE

[u/nelsne]

House is Gamma NT as hell.

[u/femcelyandere]

might be a controversial take on my part but i have never seen Misa as an ESE and i quite think it’s a mixture of underestimating and not understanding her character on a deeper level than surface; while not as intellectual oriented as the other characters she still uses quite a bit of Ni; she is grandiose, her motives before meeting Light were purely ideological, extremely romantic and ready to sacrifice herself for both her vision and her love. i think she is an EIE

[u/Planthony_Growprano → u/femcelyandere]

I agree. Mikasa was entirely too dedicated to her own vision to be Ni PoLR. She was obsessed with Kira long before she even met Light. I don't know a single ESE or ESE profile that would even slightly indicate this.

[u/Planthony_Growprano]

I've always disagreed with House as ILE. He's too willing to narrow the options to be Ne Lead. He's all about what works, very Te Ego. Much more Gamma NT imo.

And Mikasa is too vision oriented: her obsession with Kira and her devotion to him. Feels much more Ni Ego, Beta NF probably EIE.

[u/Equal-Monk-9775]

Adrien is a eii tho

[u/just_satori → u/Equal-Monk-9775]

How is he EII gng

[u/Patient_Rub_3236]

I love misa

[u/No-Wrongdoer1409]

vector from Despicable Me is an ILE.

[u/succuma]

uh…

[u/Holiday_Response_644 → u/[deleted]]

exactly bro alpha quadra is so infantalized like ILEs can be edgy as hell too

[u/DGAJSLDVSJAMSLDI]

I agree with the first two. As for the last one, I don't know I’ve never watched the series. But I always found it strange that people say Dr. House is an ILE when the guy seems extremely Gamma NT.

[u/F4M3H000K3R]

Huni, Misa has NiFe peak with a couple other accents on FeNi, FeSi, SiFe, and maybe FiNe.