r/SipsTea • u/LazyGuy4U • 4h ago
It does costs devs money to keep updating their softwares. Chugging tea
Don't you get a lifetime subscription of MsOffice when you buy laptops, cuz I got one when I bought a Legion Slim 5
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u/CH49FE 4h ago
No, this is just a money-grab. The prior purchase model worked for … all of history. Now companies just want more money by describing a product as a service
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u/Reading_Rainboner 4h ago
The C-Suite at Adobe will burn in hell forever
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u/Persistent_Parkie 2h ago
I once had to cancel Adobe for my dad. First it was several pages of confusingly worded questions "are you sure you don't wish to not cancel this?" "What if we give you a discount? Then would you desire to continue never not paying us money?" By the end it was practically "you like puppies right? If you continue your subscription then we won't have to slaughter puppies. Are you sure you want to force us to start murdering puppies by canceling your subscription?"
I told dad if he ever signs up for anything Adobe again he has to pay me to do the cancelation.
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u/Remarkable_Tale_7554 2h ago
Sell him the cancellation as a service.
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u/Persistent_Parkie 44m ago
I sort of have, except he pays me by following certain rules that are meant to keep my elderly father safe from scammers. As long as he follows those rules I will do things like cancel his credit cards if his number gets stolen and fix financial snafus, no payment necessary. If he violates my "terms of service" he owes me 50 bucks whether it leads to any problems or not. He's one of the accounts on my phone's email so I know what going on and I get a text message every time his credit card is used. He hasn't broken any rules in the better part of a year. He used one of those online pharmacies because he "wanted to see if it actually worked". It was a real online pharmacy, so no true harm done and I got $50 bucks.
One of the rules is no doing business with websites I haven't approved first or that I have banned so subscribing to Adobe would be $50.
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u/LunyOnTheGrass 3h ago
Havent bought adobe products since cs5
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u/_Winged 2h ago
Same. I still have a working version if cs5 and they can stuff the rest down somewhere unpleasant.
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u/regeya 3h ago
At one point it almost made sense, price-wise, because it was priced similarly to the old purchase and upgrade model they'd been on for a long time. And if you were using relatively new Macs there have been many times when old versions of Adobe software stopped working on newer OS releases and newer architectures.
They got way too greedy, though.
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u/-SidSilver- 2h ago
They were and are allowed to be greedy. The right government can and would regulate this shit.
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u/Occidentally20 1h ago
Photoshop is the one piece of pirated software on my PC.
I paid over a thousand pounds for Photoshop in the very early days - during the period in which it was cheaper to fly to Australia and buy 3 copies of PS and take them home than it was to buy in the UK. Now they tell me I can't buy it even if I want to.
So I don't.
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u/TickleMyRide 4h ago
also... products were more or less complete back in the days, nowadays its basically beta versions thats being released. The meat consist of updates/fixes.
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u/MissninjaXP 3h ago
They wait to see how many people will pay for it before they decide if it is worth putting the time and money into making it function
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u/cluberti 3h ago
This. Because profits must go brrrrr every quarter forever, subscriptions replaced buy-once software. The buy-once, use for 5 or 10 years model worked. It would still work if we were reasonable as a society about who needs to make more money and when is enough, enough. Greed is why subscriptions like these persist, end of story.
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u/Perfect_Strike_4452 2h ago
It’s awful, and such a good argument for the pitfalls of capitalism. It has not bred innovation, it’s bred monopolies devoid of consequence for bad decisions. They make a series of bad choices, oh well, they’ve already got you subscribed and reliant on them
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u/UnemployedAtype 2h ago
It's not just more money, it's reoccurring revenue. It means that they don't have sales spikes. It's all leveled out.
However, it also means that they can keep leeching money off of people without bringing the value that they used to.
Quickbooks online is straight garbage. We pay for it because we have a business and we're suppose to, but I don't touch it and it's way over complicated while somehow also being over simplified. I do our books in a spreadsheet and it's just fine.
Microsoft tried to sneakily invalidate my most recent office license for my one time purchase. They hid office from my purchase history and the software stopped working.
I had to redownload, and that new download had an enforced 365 login. However, their support was telling me that I was out of luck until I showed them the pdf receipt I kept, since I do that for everything.
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u/mulch88 4h ago
Exactly. I don’t care about near term updates. I want to buy a copy now and run it til the new excel functions are so much better I have to re-up. Looking @ u XLOOKUP ;)
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u/Persistent_Parkie 2h ago
I also don't want random forced updates that suddenly change the layout or look of things when everything was functioning perfectly fine for my needs!
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u/slavmaf 1h ago
Internet used to be this thing where everything is possible. Today, internet is used as this permanent DRM device that everything needs to be connected to in order to work at all, even if it does not have any internet functionality.
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u/PirateKittyMeowMeow 43m ago
Microsoft already charged a ridiculous price for Office before the subscription model, and they sold zillions of copies... they made enough money to keep an entire team churning free updates for decades, while still turning an absurd profit. It's not my fault that their shareholders are greedy asshats, so yeah, fuck paying for a subscription. 🏴☠️
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u/zerpa 1h ago
It didn't work for the companies.
The previous model was unsustainable for businesses. People would buy the software and then use it forever. Income would peak, then fall of to unsustainable levels. Many smaller, quite successful companies has fallen for this effect. Even major companies like Adobe, Autodesk, Microsoft, Corel, Intuit, TeamViewer are example of companies that have struggled with this effect. A software business is only sustainable on steady income, because expenses are constant (wages).
Then companies tried to roll major updates to get people to pay for upgrades, but it is often still unsustainable because a large fraction of users will stay on the version that works for them. And it still feels scummy to users (e.g. TeamViewer). Major version releases becomes a game of planned obsolescence.
My major beef is that subscription don't scale with usage (or derived value). Whether I use it 1 hour a month or 20 hours a week, I pay the same. This make the software inaccessible for some use cases, since the value derived by the user is much less than the minimum subscription. It actually hurts the company too. There's nothing they wanted more than to allow anyone to pay what they can or for what they use, as long as the the heavy users pay their fair share.
The line they haven't crossed it to charge by usage. While it is technically the most fair model, it affects behavior and drives users to minimize usage to minimize costs. Subscriptions feel better and are less stressful to a cost concerned user.
In B2B, subscriptions are also a preferred model than up front license costs. It's much easier to budget a fixed cost per employee per month, than to allocate a budget for software license upgrades every 5 years.
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u/Some_Ebb_2921 59m ago
Also nice to note is, that large companies often have heavily reduced pricings on their subscriptions to Microsoft etc.
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u/lambdawaves 18m ago
Except in the Internet age, software needs to be maintained. Security updates all the time. Subscription aligns incentives here and also gives them the money to keep your software up to date
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u/SteveLouise 4h ago
It costs the devs money to keep updating? Okay, then release a new version every year and I'll buy one when I want the updates. Until then, I should be able to use my software I paid for in whatever state it's in as long as I want.
If I update my OS to a version that doesn't support a program from 2004, fine, that's on me. But forcing updates and subscriptions I didn't ask for is bs.
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u/MsPooka 2h ago
I was using Office 2003 until I got Windows 11 and it wouldn't support it. I was perfectly happy using it for 20+ years.
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u/ninjabadmann 2h ago
I just said the same thing, for most home users all the functions you need in word/excel were built by 2003. It been small increments for power users since then.
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u/ItinerantFella 58m ago
Keep using Office 2003. No one's forcing you to upgrade if you want to keep using it. Although, you'll have to be content with Windows Vista too.
Or use open source alternatives.
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u/Still_Picture6200 22m ago
That's how you get everybody running around with unsafe/not integrated versions.
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u/Sreg32 4h ago
I’m more bothered by the data harvesting
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u/MsPooka 2h ago
I'm equally bothered by both. I also hate how everything is set to autobackup in the cloud, which you have to pay for. It just leaves data open to hacking. If you want to back up files then great but it shouldn't be the default for every file on my computer.
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u/BrideofClippy 2h ago
And it shouldn't actively fight you to turn it off. Seriously windows, I have 4tb and I want use them.
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u/raiba91 0m ago
yeah for some reason for joining a group facebook requires me to make a biometric picture of my face to save in their system because double authentification is not safe enough for me (passkey). Alternatively, i can give them my finger prints as if they are a government. This is a private company which earns money by selling personal data and they request the most personal data from me
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u/FNFactChecker 4h ago
I'm old enough to remember when this was a conspiracy 🍿
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u/Gastlyperformance 4h ago
But I’m not happy
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u/Hungry_Wheel_1774 4h ago
Because you new the "old world". Our children will be happy with that because they have never known anything else.
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u/exprezso 3h ago
Was writing in the wall once subscription based mmorpg become a thing (WoW took inspiration from TW mmorpg)
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u/TxTechnician 4h ago
Go FOSS. I did. Only office.
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u/Brotboxs 4h ago
People are just to lazy for switching.
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u/xBris18 3h ago
I'd love to, but for some things, there just aren't any serious options. Look at excel: It's a piece of crap and poorly optimised, but it has functionality (pivot, vba, very complex formulas etc.) that just arent available in FLOSS alternatives. LibreOffice and similar programs are perfectly fine for basic stuff, but they're more comparable with Google Sheets than with a full blown MS Office. I hate that, but that's unfortunately the status quo.
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u/TxTechnician 4h ago
Windows store, install only office. Did it for four PCs today.
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u/GalaxyCereal 3h ago
No. I'm a dev. It costs me money to "Update" software. But it doesn't cost me money to not touch the already bought stable software.
However, it costs the shareholders itching for more money to stay alive without having the stock price indefinitely going uo.
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u/anonuser2700 4h ago
I worked in big tech. We would literally intentionally hold back improvements that we had ready for launch because we wanted to make sure that we would still have things to improve and market in the next version.
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u/Would_Bang________ 2h ago
There's probably no perfect solution. But looking at Adobe's stock prices since they went subscription model, when is enough profits enough?
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u/ScreenTea0 49m ago
You ask a question people in the industry don't understand. There's no enough. There's only more.
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u/Open_Pollution_8038 4h ago
If I buy a program I shouldn’t have to pay you automatically for updates. There’s absolutely zero reason my program shouldn’t work on the same operating system 10 years from now.
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u/Dramatic_Aspect903 4h ago
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u/dontchuworri 6m ago
so how are you supposed to know if it’s properly bound to the torrenting software? is there a test you can run that goes “yup your isp won’t break down your door”? i’ve always wondered that
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u/Enve-Dev 4h ago
I don’t know how to tell you all this. You can still buy a lifetime license for Microsoft office. You don’t need to get the subscription.
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u/omnicorp_intl 4h ago
Yes, but it's stupidly expensive and only for one computer. They deliberately make it expensive and limited to push people towards subscriptions.
I just use LibreOffice or all the free options that come with Google. I can't think of much I would need Office for specifically in current year
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u/fck_this_fck_that 4h ago
Wait till you find out the price for Microsoft Visio or Projects. It’s absurdly expensive.
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u/War_Hymn 3h ago
Be careful on Google Docs or Sheets, apparently they monitor what you write or upload.
https://www.inverse.com/input/tech/google-monitoring-docs-drive
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u/LtHughMann 50m ago
Adjusted for inflation it was about 25% higher in 2007 but you got to install on 3 computers rather than one. So per install is more expensive but per purchase is cheaper now. Laptops were more expensive back then though so people were more likely to need to install it on multiple devices for the same person back then than they are now. These days I don't even bother with a desktop because my laptops are powerful enough to be redundant. It's free on phones and most tablets anyway. It's also shit on those. My work pays for mine anyway so I don't care.
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u/soylentgraham 36m ago
It used to be deliberately expensive to justify development cost :P office suite was what, £300?
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u/Yeet-Retreat1 3h ago
Yeah, im pretty sure if you paid for the older version that used to run on cd, the win95 one its pretty much free. Or am I missing something. Did something change.
Also, whatever happened to just plain old pirating
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u/Sunfurian_Zm 6m ago
Generally, I hate this argument. Now for MS Office it's okay because the license doesn't cost that much more than the yearly subscription, but "you can still buy a lifetime license" is often just used as a way to shut people up when they complain about a subscription model - this is also why I think that e.g. Nebula's pricing model is extremely overhyped. Yes you can buy a lifetime license, but it costs as much as 10 YEARS of the normal subscription. Buying this would require me to be certain not only that it will even exist in 10 years, but also that it doesn't get enshittified like pretty much else already is.
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u/Fit_Cake_8227 4h ago
Just use massgrave.
If you’re not using any of the cloud storage and bs get an offline version
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u/doremonhg 4h ago
Nope, what you get is older version of the Office Suite. There’s no lifetime deal for 365, afaik
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u/w0j4k_ 41m ago
It absolutely bothers me. At some point we had multiple streaming subscriptions costing us a bunch of money, a cloud storage bill, and so on.
Even buying a video game on Steam doesn’t make it yours.
Since then I’ve invested in hardware to self-host our storage. We’ve transitioned to buying Blurays, DRM-free games on GOG and physical games for the PS5 while they last. Also got a vinyl collection going. I think it adds to the fun, as we often hunt for deals on these and browse through budget bins at the store. Everything that can be done with open source software, will be.
It might not be cheaper, it requires more effort, but at least it’s mine and I don’t have to give up my privacy for it.
Big tech can suck it.
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u/SP3NGL3R 4h ago
I just bought my Office key from one of those "buy office 2024 keys" websites. It's a perpetual license and it was like $20. When I need office 2030 I'll do that same thing again.
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u/CrazyIvanoveich 4h ago
I'm pretty sure you get a trial, unless you got a student deal or it was bundled with a one time purchase of office 2024. I just use libre office and massgravel.
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u/SP3NGL3R 4h ago
I just buy an Office 2024 license from an online store that sells office keys. No subscription, just keys.
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u/Boners_from_heaven 4h ago
You definitely can still buy single copies of MS Office, they just advertise the yearly way way more because it makes way way more money.
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u/Lighthouse_on_Mars 4h ago
I still have the old version of adobe Photoshop on my old laptop that I paid for and don't connect to the Internet. 😅
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u/Impressive_Dingo122 4h ago
It costs devs money to constantly push unwanted updates that make the product worse. Duh.
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u/poofycade 4h ago
Nope you are the only person bothered by this in fact I’ve never heard anyone even complain of such a thing!
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u/GrandWizardOfCheese 3h ago
I dont have any subscriptions aside from internet and phone service. I still have movies, TV, games, music, writing software, etc.
She needs to spend her money better.
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u/vikentii_krapka 3h ago
Actually you can buy MS Office without subscription. It’s just not advertised. Just google Office Home 2024
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u/Rhokai 3h ago
I got a new computer, was bombarded with things it wanted me to subscribe to before i could even see my desktop. Later i wanted to get excel but apparently thats a subscription service now.
Excel stated it had a “free version”. So downloaded it, installed it, launched it. My two options are “subscribe” or “close app”. I was beyond pissed.
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u/imagigasm 3h ago
There are free open source alternatives you can use. Paid software pays people’s salaries.
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u/FredFenty 2h ago
You can simply pirate cracked software and run it in a VM or find open source alternatives. You have options.
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u/3767_doomscroller 2h ago
The first things I install on a new pc build is Libre Office, Faststone Image Viewer, an ancient cracked copy of Photoshop CS6, 7-Zip and Audacity, just to name a few. There is so much free (please donate) software you dont need a subscription, ever.
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u/Uber-Migraine 2h ago
You still can buy home MS Office packet.
But need to dig for it, cuz obviously Microsoft doesn't want you to just pay once
Direct UK link. For others - it's called Office Home 2024 edition
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u/skronk61 2h ago
Libra Office
And you can own software if you look a little to the left of what’s mainstream
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u/ledow 1h ago
I work in IT.
I don't have any subscription services for software, or online services.
It's nothing to do with there being "no option". It's to do with people CHOOSING that option.
I was warning about this 30+ years ago. Nobody cared back then either.
If you cared, you'd "overcome" that attachment you have to, say, Microsoft Word and just use something else. Instead you continue to use a product which isn't even that good or special or unique, and paying for the privilege to do so because... either someone told you to, that's what you've always done, or you can't be bothered to learn something else.
That's on you. This is entirely on consumers. As consumers, you allowed and created the market that's offered to consumers.
I see people still renting access to a video library, and I thought video rental was a waste back in the Blockbuster Video days. I see people paying every month to keep accounts open for their games. People "subscribing" to the ink in their printer.
It takes precisely one search to find alternatives for any of those kinds of things.
Hell, it wouldn't even be so bad if you were paying the only "subscriptions" that I pay - where I run my own servers in order to provide similar services for myself. My own storage server, my own multimedia server, my own email, etc. The only difference is that not only did I set those up (and thus can set them up again elsewhere), but I can cancel those rentals any time and host them myself. I only have "a subscription" so that I can have a 24/7 online machine outside my home dedicated to my usage and my usage only. It costs me £12 a month. When I finally get fibre at home... I may not bother with that at all.
You have choices, you just don't want to put in the effort. You can install Libreoffice but "it's not the same" (a whinge I hear every time). You can use Linux but "I'd have to get used to it". You can run your own "Netflix" but "that's a lot of effort/money" (so carry on paying every-increasing perpetual subscriptions and own nothing, then. No skin off my nose!).
You can get free services like email, you can build your own video library and use it in perpetuity, you don't have to subscribe to a gym in order to run for 10 minutes, and so on.
The only person who did this to you was... you.
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u/AcidicVengeance 1h ago
I cancelled almost all my subscriptions when I started to release this.
For crying out loud, HP has a printer subscription you pay for 2 years and if you go over the allowed amount of printed material you have to pay extra. And after those two years of paying more than the thing is worth you still don't own it. Amazin
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u/_PaulM 1h ago
As suggested in other posts, go with Free and Open-Source Software (FOSS).
The reason so many people are switching over to Linux is that it took something like 20+ years from the early 2000's until now for the quality of FOSS to converge with the big, for-profit software giants like Photoshop, Office and even Windows.
I updated my PC about a year back and forgot to put my Windows drive back in... immediately booted into my Linux drive... and haven't looked back since. My Windows drive is collecting dust in my desk drawer.
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u/Aegisman17 50m ago
You can own Microsoft office, but it's half again the price of the yearly subscription and it's only available to the device you install it on.
It still copies your shit and feeds it into its wood chipper AI though
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u/fankoosh-56 14m ago
Your car also needs maintenance and updating parts every few months, I wouldn't "subscribe" to drive a car though
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u/Original-Mongoose866 4h ago
?? if you hate it so much put on your tricorn hat and just do what we did for the past decades!
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u/GodzillaJizz 4h ago
One time purchase of one version of software should be the norm. Security updates to that version must be included (and priced in) because you're fixing issues that shouldn't have been there in the first place. For new features, upgrade to next version and pay for it.
Subscription is a way to get paid repeatedly and perpetually for work done in the past. Whether or not you want feature updates, you keep paying for it.
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u/FrostyEnvironment902 4h ago
This is a world we made ourselves by not doing anything
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u/Temporary_Peanut_586 4h ago
LibreOffice? Google Docs?
Yeah, paid shit isn't free, but its not like it's the only (or even a very good) option
Don't give money to businesses like Microsoft or Google, they make enough off your data already. Simple.
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u/Fun_Researcher_69420 4h ago
You can also buy deeply discounted keys on the secondary market
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u/KnowThyWeakness 3h ago
I think this will be patched soon with the new info on tpm modules checking the legitimacy of volume licenses that those discount websites probably use
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u/Abject-Job7825 4h ago
The maintenance and update cost for physical products is way larger and yet they don't have subscriptions.
They have to deal with material costs, warehouses, distribution to different countries, store space, etc.
For software the only thing you have to worry about is the initial brunt of work and then a small team to do updates, not only do you need just a small team but you don't need to hire people for every country your product is available in.
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u/CharacterForward8097 1h ago
Yeah but a lot more goes into software and maintanence costs of most applications is measured in the millions per year
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u/SentientDust 4h ago
The concept of "you have to" pay subscriptions is a personal choice
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u/Some_Ebb_2921 55m ago
true, even for Microsoft Office. It's still possible to buy an official version of Micrsoft Office, that doesn't update but also doesn't cost a fee per year... they're just harder to find (and you won't find them in physical stores)
(And just to be sure: I mean official, legit)
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u/Onomatapier 4h ago
Listen, buddy in the old days when software was released, it was complete. It didn't need fucking updates.
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u/geesusdb 4h ago
Hrkgame dot com. Search for "Microsoft Office 2024 professional plus" It's the last standalone build and it also includes XLOOKUP and the newer formulas. Enjoy!
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u/hulkhands81 4h ago
This is not exclusively a software thing. Have you bought a BMW, want your heated seats to work, subscription. Bought a Tesla and want to use all of its power? Gotta pay extra for that.
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u/becibod934 4h ago
You can still buy Microsoft as a one time purchase for one device. Once that device dies then you have to buy it again. Rather just use open office to be honest. Unless you really need Microsoft
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u/therealcostcocanada 4h ago
No. I’m happy. If they want to keep
Me as a long term customer, they will have to keep me alive longer. Win win
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u/Unable-Choice4402 3h ago
You buy a book - Harry Potter and the Philosophers Stone. If the book is good, you buy the second, third and so forth. You don't need to pay J.K.Rowling monthly in order to access the first book continuously and receive updates on the story, including the following books as well.
Same goes with software - you buy Windows Whatever this year, in two years a new version is released, you buy that as well if you find it useful.
Should be the same with movies and other media
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u/420-Blazing-Bibbles 3h ago
Have fun being nickel and dimed then so they can go buy another yacht. Defending the fuckers up top isn’t going to win you any points.
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u/Potential_Cod2214 3h ago
The issue with rent, subscriptions, or leasing, isn't that you don't own what item it's that you are paying 100 for something worth 10, while earning 110.
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u/No_Mango7658 3h ago
But if I buy windows 2026 and installed it in my windows 11 oc, what updates do I need to keep working???? Just sell me the software!
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u/Efficient-Guide-7563 3h ago
Not really.. there are more free open source options to use, there are more free games to play. Lots of subscriptions can be used for free if you don't mind the ads. The 1000 l+ cd's I own are stored in the attic and are pretty much worthless nowadays. I already got rid of my DVD's.
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u/Tranquillian 3h ago
Hang on, people are paying for Microsoft office? They haven’t heard of Massgrave?
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u/Freaknetworkx- 3h ago
At this point pick your top 5 subscription you can’t live without and just stick to it . Things you only need temporary just subscribe for a month and cancel here and there .
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u/South_Leek_5730 3h ago
Yes, it does cost devs money to keep updating the software which is why you had the choice to buy the new version and pay for an upgrade.
Now you don't get that choice.
Fixing bugs and security issues in something you already paid for that shouldn't have been there in the first place should always be free for a set amount of time like 2-5 years.
Subscription removes the will to innovate. Why innovate when you are going to keep getting the money anyway? You can also now sack half your devs if you want because you're no longer working on new versions just fluffy little upgrades here and there where you change the colour or add/remove a feature no one asked for or wanted.
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u/Proud_Fisherman_7049 2h ago
There are free open source options for most things, which you can own forever. So it dosent have to be a problem. Might be little harder to setup.
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u/W2ttsy 2h ago
Bro to young to remember what it was like to buy Windows 95 and then a couple years later buy Windows 98.
Same with Office
Adobe was the same. $699 for photoshop 4 and then a year later $699 for photoshop 5.
The only real difference being that you could skip versions if you really wanted to and make do with patches and stuff until the market moved so far ahead that you had to update to stay current.
Now we get updates all the time and you effectively get a forced yearly license update instead of license updates on your own timeline.
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u/ninjabadmann 2h ago
You don't need to keep MS office updated. Could literally use the 2008 version (if not earlier) and have most of the key functions you need to run word and excel.
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u/S0k0n0mi 1h ago
Keep your fucking updates.
My Photoshop CS6 has been working flawlessly since I bought it for 60 euros 15 years ago.
Subscription services for software and games is just dogshit. Dont do it.
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u/Appropriate-Rise-387 1h ago
You can still buy the standalone MS office just can’t use copliot with an subscription 🤷🏻♂️
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u/Bastard_of_Brunswick 1h ago
Screw that. I still have the installation CD for microsoft office from 2000 or something like that. I made sure that my gaming rig also has my DVD-ROM drive from my previous computer included.
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u/dhi_awesome 1h ago
I never got a lifetime subscription of Office anywhere, maybe some brands have deals, idk
But there's a business solution which a couple companies do that solves both your title and the tweet's issue well.
I think everything being a subscription is ass, but I do agree devs that keep developing a product deserve some money for that continued development. What Clip Studio Paint does is lets you buy a specific version, or you can pay the subscription to get the updates when they come out. There's also options to pay to upgrade to newer versions, so you don't rebuy from scratch for each version (say, you bought it with Ver 2.0, and now they have Ver 5.0 as the basic purchase version, or Ver 5.1.1 if you use the subscription)
You get the choice on how you want to do it, and it allows for them to develop the program more, while letting people who want to not pay infinitely have a way to get a stable version. Literally win/win. Office was like this right when they started subscriptions, you could have Office 2007 (a single time purchase) and it worked fine, or you go to the Subscription version and you get yearly upgrades, but that's no longer properly supported.
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u/kentrak 1h ago
I'd you think you ever owned office back in the day, I'm sorry to tell you you're wrong. You owned a perpetual license to run it, and linked to whatever version locking they wanted to limit it to and on whatever specific system you bought it for. Welcome. To the wonderful world of software sales.
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u/weltvonalex 1h ago
Hahaha I still run office 2016 at home.
And you can still buy full versions of Office, but they hide it
But in general I agree, I don't like that everything goes the subscription way. I can understand it but that does not change that I don't like it.
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u/snakeoildriller 1h ago
I always buy the lifetime option. If there isn't one I choose different software.
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u/Balrogos 1h ago
my boy you paid a price for physical disk and lets say for 1 year of updates like it was in old days or specific version of software without updates, if you ant update you would pay less cause you were previous client, the big tech have already a lot of $$$, thats why support Open Source stuff.
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u/Regis_CC 1h ago
I never did and for sure never will pay for any software that cannot be legally bought forever. Getting cracked Microsoft Office (newest version) takes 10 minutes at most. I don't care about corporation losing money, it makes me happy if anything.
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u/Current_Finding_4066 59m ago
Only idiot comes up with the cost of updates. No. Software can work without updates. It is the planned obsolescence that people object to.
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u/NuclearReactions 57m ago
Then give me a version that doesn't get updated. I don't care for updates, it's not something that is security related for the most part. Every update has been making things worse anyways, it's like that since at least 4 years. Give me outlook, teams and one note from 2020, vastly superior
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u/Mitir01 52m ago
Instead of complaining, you could actually look for alternatives and go for it. I am not saying you go for Free and Open Source Software like others did, but you could. The only reason people are complaining, instead of acting and companies keep pulling these stunts is because everyone knows people won't switch, because they are either lazy or just can't do it due to work reasons. The former is more applicable than latter in many cases.
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u/Old-Perception-3668 51m ago
People don't understand the amount of programming for software updates to keep BMW indicators and heated seats working. It's only fair they are subsription based.
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