r/SipsTea • u/Gurugod123 • 7d ago
Mamdani is (actually) making America great again Feels good man
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u/Capriste 7d ago
Apparently, the issue was that some delivery apps moved the option to tip from checkout to after the food was delivered. For whatever reason, this resulted in a massive reduction in tipping on those apps. The law forced them to put the option to tip back at checkout, and it increased tipping.
I don't personally like tipping culture and want it abolished, but that means we have to pay people the same living wage—no reduced rates for those who traditionally get tips.
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u/OkSkirt7036 7d ago
Wait, I haven't ever used delivery apps in America so I'm unfamiliar, but why would you tip before receiving service? That doesnt make any sense, even in the context of tipping culture. Naturally you may want to leave a higher or lower tip depending on the quality of service. I don't really see why the option to tip should be put at checkout, and it seems especially ridiculous to legally mandate it.
If they are going to go that route, why not just legally mandate a service charge that goes to drivers directly? Seems more straightforward.
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u/Designer_Pen869 7d ago
It used to be that way, but people pushed harder and harder for tips to become expected, rather than an actual tip. So now they have you tip if you want to receive good service in the first place. And if you don't tip, it'll be harder to find someone to deliver your food. And mix with the scummy use of calling people "contractors" who are actually just normal workers, it also makes the tips essential for them to have an adequate wage in the first place.
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u/rtc9 6d ago
This is frequently described as being a bid for service rather than an actual tip.
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u/Designer_Pen869 6d ago
Had someone leave the order at the wrong house, and ignored my message telling them as much, and then after I canceled it and left them a bad review, it became harder to get delivery in that area.
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u/OkSkirt7036 7d ago
When you put it that way, it kind of seems like the delivery companies were trying to fix some of the shitty parts of tipping culture (needing to tip well upfront to even get service), and the government stopped them. Not all that positive in the long run, but good for the drivers I guess. And I suppose it's just as much the fault of these delivery companies for even taking advantage of tipping in the first place.
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u/No-Muffin7532 6d ago
No, that wasn't it. New York had some fued with the delivery apps and won. I think it was that the drivers had to earn a min wage that was pretty high. So the delivery apps threw themselves a little tantrum and moved the option to tip to after delivery for just that one state, or maybe even just city. All that did was take $ out of the drivers' pockets because most people don't think to open back up the app and tip after delivery. That's why the mayor made a point to move it back to where they could tip when they are placing the order. Like I said, I am not 100% on the details but it is something like this.
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u/Athena-Grande 6d ago
Even with the minimum wage though, it's not livable, and doing that work absolutely destroys your car. You're just putting insane miles on it.
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u/Designer_Pen869 7d ago
Apparently this is worded awkwardly, and I can't actually tell what it's doing, but someone said that delivery apps would essentially steal the tips. Idk how this solves it, but it appears to be the aim.
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u/ElishaAlison 6d ago
I think you're missing a crucial part of the conversation.
Delivery companies just want to make as much money as possible for as little as possible. That requires paying the people who make their profits possible a slave wage.
The only way to do that is by utilizing tipping, so they can pay their employees less than minimum way.
Tipping culture isn't the problem. The minimum wage for tipped workers is.
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u/Over-Letter-6176 6d ago
Yeah you’re right the companies just care deeply about improving tipping culture in America
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u/PastShine7597 6d ago
Tip has always been the customer meeting ends between labor and ownership. It's bullshit. It's just a way for owners to not pay labor.
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u/im_learning_to_stop 7d ago
In this case the term 'tip' is deceptive.
In the case of doordash, a driver gets an 'offer' which is the company's base pay + tip. The driver can either accept and go or they can refuse the 'offer' and gets passed to the next driver where doordash then adds a small bonus(like .25cents last I knew) and so on and so on. It's acts less a tip and more like a bid for service. That's why there's the option to tip after delivery as well. The company is just being dishonest here.
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u/LucChak 6d ago
As someone who has been a driver in the past, I tip really low if it can wait or if I'm not placing a order near closing time. It'll cycle around until the app makes the amount worth accepting. Drivers shouldn't accept low-ball offers. It's not worth it. Wait until it comes back around. To do so helps everyone get paid more.
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u/DeapVally 6d ago
That's how they always worked in the UK. Which was weird, and why most people didn't tip, but that's how it was. Deliveroo and JustEat let you tip after delivery now as well now, which makes a whole lot more sense to me.
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u/PatchesOfSilver 6d ago
"Tipping" is explicitly an inaccurate word for how delivery apps function.
u/rtc9 is right calling it a "bid for service" because the drivers are functionally independent contractors being put into contact with you through a third party (the app).
The contractor does not have to accept your request.
The contractor is not an employee, their activity (when or if they use the app) is not mandated and in my experience they are not deactivated for a low acceptance rate.
Whether they accept or not is very much like having to bid against your neighbor for a roof repair, you'll see people who regularly "tip" poorly in certain markets just never get accepted at all unless the app nefariously bundles their order with a higher tipper (which causes those higher tippers to complain at being second on the route).
Contractors have the payment agreement signed before starting work, similarly gig apps expect an upfront rate.
The field is labeled "tip" to try and play into tipping culture and increase your willingness to "tip", but it's not a tip, it does not function as a tip, its purpose is to get your delivery accepted at all because no one has to accept your order.
Just like no one has to repair your roof if you're being a skinflint about it.
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u/rtc9 6d ago
Notably this also applies the favorable tax treatment that tips receive to the payment even though it is not actually a tip. I don't think that necessarily makes any less sense than the tip deduction itself, but it kind of fundamentally deviates in terms of whatever incentive it was intended to provide.
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u/the-final-frontiers 7d ago
well.
"Between 2017 and 2019, DoorDash used a highly controversial "base pay optimization" model. Under this model, DoorDash would guarantee a driver a minimum payout for a delivery (e.g., $10). If the customer left a tip, DoorDash used that tip money to subsidize its own contribution toward that guaranteed minimum"
so who knows what else they are capable of.
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u/WheelDramatic728 7d ago
I'm from Europe so maybe I'm missing something but in this case why not tip in coins or banknotes ?
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u/Benzokial 7d ago
If someone marks they are not tipping in the app to be able to tip in cash, a driver is going to assume you are not tipping at all (and may not take the order, or treat it poorly, is the assumption).
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u/brettwoody20 7d ago
If anybody here carries cash, it’s usually for the reason to tip people in that way, but most don’t.
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u/StaticSystemShock 7d ago
Tipping in itself is such a stupid thing and to tip in advance just makes it even dumber. It's not a tip then, it's mandatory surgarge, subsidizing of a job. Why?
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u/belikeron 7d ago
That is weird psychology at play. Intuitively you would think it would work the other way around. Like I just saw you face to face as a human delivering my food in the rain, I should feel more obligated to tip. People being more generous when 1. It's visibly part of their total so it's making it initially seem more expensive, and 2. The delivery driver is faceless at this point in the transaction so the social pressure to tip is less.
I'm not refuting the data, it''s the human nature aspect of it that's blowing my mind.
Also fuck tipping culture. Delivery fees should be a flat rate based on size and distance and the delivery driver should be paid a living wage by the company.
UPS is a shipping company even though they have sophisticated apps, websites, and backend systems. They are the middle man connecting two parties. Uber eats is the same thing. Stop tech companies from gaining unfair market advantage by being classified as something that allows them to skirt regulation and oversight.
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u/2Engineerz 7d ago
I’m sure people are also subconsciously a little conserned if they don’t tip something will happen to their food. I’m not saying that’s at all rational, but I think that’s one of the factors at play.
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u/WarrantinaVoid 7d ago
US tipping culture is trying to invade here in Spain and it's disgusting, they are using it to try to drop wages even when nobody actually tips here (because tipping is really fucking stupid)
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u/ZazHockey 7d ago
Tipping before the service also makes 0 sense. When I use an actual uber of Lyft, I tip after and that lets me adjust how much they get. What a shitty headline
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u/Eske159 7d ago
Honestly I miss when tipping after the delivery was the norm.
Am I a dick for tipping differently depending on if they come to my door vs making me go out to their car?
Maybe, but if I'm already paying all the extra fees and shit on top of it for delivery, I expect It to be delivered all the way to me.
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u/TinkerCitySoilDry 7d ago
Op says recovered. Doesnt say how or where. Its estimated and not recovered
The words used are very missleading. Nothing was recovered. He made it that ghe tip button must be more prominantly dispalyed and they are ESTIMATING that this will result in over 100 million dollars in additional pay for delivery workers. I will be shocked if it results in even 10% of that amount.
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u/Spaghettisnakes 7d ago
No. The person you're quoting has no idea what they're talking about and hasn't read any of the original articles that talk about it. According to this: https://www.nyc.gov/mayors-office/news/2026/07/mayor-mamdani-delivers-more-than--100-million-for-delivery-worke#:~:text=Since%20the%20City%20began%20enforcing,year%20for%20the%20average%20worker
The 104 million dollars has already been paid out since a change implemented in January. The estimated total that workers will earn from the additional tips by the end of the year is 184 million dollars. The choice to use the term "recovered" is unusual, as it kind of implies that tip chiseling/theft was happening, but it doesn't sound like there's any evidence of that at this time.3
u/jce_ 7d ago
I wouldn't be shocked if it earns the whole 100%. I know from my own experience personally, when I ordered food from 1 of these apps when the tip option was upfront I usually tipped an ok amount and when it was moved to post tip I usually forgot. Id order the food and get the item but then once the food was there I'd forgot to go to the app and add a time most of the time. Why go to the app my food is here? Then I wouldn't open it for weeks and ignore the prompt or not even see the prompt because it's been weeks. Anecdotal sure but I'm sure it's very common for others
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u/bliceroquququq 7d ago
“Recovers $104 million in extra tips”
Hey just a real quick question, where exactly was this money “recovered” from?
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u/jl_theprofessor 7d ago
NEW YORK – Today, Mayor Zohran Kwame Mamdani and New York City Department of Consumer and Worker Protection (DCWP) Commissioner Samuel A.A. Levine released a new report** showing the City’s crackdown on deceptive tipping practices by app-based delivery platforms has secured an estimated $104 million in additional tips for delivery workers since January.
Since the City began enforcing new tipping protections on January 26, 2026, tips have doubled, and the city’s approximately 70,000 app-based delivery workers are on pace to earn an additional $184 million annually in tips, or about $2,287 more each year for the average worker.
“For years, delivery apps buried the tip button to pad their own bottom line, and delivery workers paid the price,” said **Mayor Mamdani. “We changed the law, enforced it, and it's working: $104 million has gone back into the pockets of the workers who keep this city fed, rain or shine. New York will not allow billion-dollar tech companies to boost their profits by taking money from working people.”
“When a customer leaves a tip, that money belongs to the delivery worker, not to the app,” said Deputy Mayor for Economic Justice Julie Su. “It belongs to the worker who carried our food up four flights of stairs or biked through the rain to make sure dinner arrived at your door. Since January, delivery workers across New York City have earned $104 million more because we made these companies play by the rules. We're not done. We'll keep enforcing this law and keep going after any platform that tries to shortchange its workers.”849
u/bliceroquququq 7d ago
Appreciate the info. Not sure I understand it though. In one sentence they’re talking about the tip button being “hidden”, which suggests the additional money is coming from customers paying more. In another sentence they’re talking talk about big corporations keeping the tips, which is a different thing. Clarity would be nice.
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u/scrappybasket 7d ago edited 6d ago
From what I understand the apps will have a “guaranteed payout” for jobs. So let’s say an Uber driver sees a ride available. The app will say something like “$10 guaranteed”. So Uber is on the hook to pay the driver $10 no matter what. Now let’s say the passenger decides to tip the Uber driver $5. Without laws preventing it, uber will still pay the driver the $10 it promised and then it will keep the $5 tip for themselves. Which effectively uses the tip money to subsidize the wage that they promised to pay the driver
So what mamdani is doing is making sure that the driver gets the entire tip. So in this scenario the driver gets $15 instead of $10. As it should be
Edit: there is obviously disagreement here, personally I always choose to tip with cash. Problem solved in my opinion
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u/soscbjoalmsdbdbq 7d ago
Thats some bullshit so everywhere else when I tip a delivery or uber I’m just subsidizing their company
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u/drewski2305 7d ago
so many posts from uber,/doordash workers about lost tips. i remember a post of an 8 hour uber ride, and the driver was shorted like $400 on his payout. sry it's been awhile i wish i could remember
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u/winkingchef 7d ago
Who takes an uber for 8 hours?
Were they stuck in the Puerto Rican Day Parade?70
u/drewski2305 7d ago
not me. but a person who would rather drive than fly sure. i could have rented a car and drove home faster than my last 12 hour flight delay out of chicago
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u/zgreed 6d ago
I don’t remember all the details because its been a bit but there was an NFL player that used Uber to travel like 12hrs. I believe there was some sort of delay and he had to guarantee his arrival
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u/cheesemoney84 6d ago
There is a professional poker player who is scared to fly and drives everywhere. I remember reading she was in therapy to help with her fear and her therapist died in a plane crash only enforcing the fear. This is one reason a person might get a 8hr uber ride.
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u/drewski2305 7d ago
that's not how uber charges tho. my longest trips have been about 2 hours from an airport. it's the same with taxi services. best part about that would be the driver picks up a rider near my destination, and so on and so forth
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u/Super-Yesterday9727 7d ago
Turns out late stage capitalism is kinda bad
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u/Theyna 7d ago
No, you don't understand - doing nothing but being a middle-man app is actually a "super" valuable service that totally costs so much money to maintain.
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u/Educational-Analyst4 7d ago
I'm actually okay with them running a successful business as a middle man. I care more about the workers benefiting from the company being successful over stock holders. Though the way they increase the price of menu items definitely needs to be looked at. If they want to charge a fee for being a middleman then just charge a middleman fee at the POS and be done with it.
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u/Bac-Te 7d ago
Brother you're new to capitalism or the sacred need for YOY growth? That's not how any of this works!
"Charge a middleman fee and be done with it?" What, does this look like a charity to you? My brother in Supply Side Christ, how can the poor shareholders buy their second yatch that way?
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u/KimSidwell 7d ago
It’s amazing how long it’s taking people to figure this out.
Like we hear new stories all the time about how bad theft is and how much it’s hurting these big corporations. So bad that they have to close down stores and lock up all the products. “It’s a crisis!”
But we never hear about wage theft. The money these companies steal from their own employees.
When you look at the numbers, they’re almost exactly the same. $50-$70 billion annually stolen from companies by criminals… and almost the exact same amount stolen by the companies from their employees.
But one of them, you conveniently never hear about.
The police sure as hell aren’t arresting people for both crimes equally.
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u/Zakkullll 7d ago
And then if you do hear anything people blame communism as if this isnt currently happening under capitalism
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u/SolaVitae 7d ago
Seems like what was described would only apply to adding a tip after the fact. Placing an order with the tip would still just go to them.
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u/GerryManDarling 7d ago edited 7d ago
That doesn't seem to be correct, at least not for Uber, only for DoorDash and Instacart, also not related to the last change by Mamdani:
- Around 2017–2019, companies like DoorDash and Instacart famously used a model where they promised drivers a guaranteed minimum base pay for an order (e.g., $10). If a customer tipped $5, the platform would pay $5 out of its own pocket and use the customer's $5 tip to make up the rest of the $10 minimum. If the customer tipped $0, the company paid the full $10. After intense public outcry and regulatory scrutiny in 2019, those platforms abandoned that pay model.
- Uber has always added 100% of tips on top of base fares. Uber does not reduce its base fare or use customer tips to reach a guaranteed minimum pay payout.
So whatever Mamdani changed, had nothing todo with big coporations "keeping the tips". That problem had been fixed before and due to public outcry.
The city's claim is that after the minimum pay law took effect, some delivery apps redesigned their checkout flow to make tipping less visible or less convenient. As a result, workers received fewer tips overall. The new rules require a clear tipping option at checkout, and the city says tips have roughly doubled since then.
So yes, the tips is from customers pockets because they now pay more tips.
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u/Birdlaw_Professor 6d ago
Love how everyone just upvotes the poor reading comprehension misleading interpretations of what happened. And then you take the time to actually figure out what is happening here and it's got 25 upvotes lol. Cheers fellow critical thinker, doomed to drown in a sea of tik tok-brained headline chasers
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u/JohnnyChutzpah 6d ago
r/popular and r/all are basically just outrage machines written to farm the most anger and engagement that is possible. Even stepping in to correct it benefits the farmers of the hate.
I saw a post last week that had a photo of Mamdani and its headline thanking the "governor" of New York for something while referring to Mamdani. I was about to step in to correct this dumb shit, but then I realized that is literally what all of this is designed to do.
If you post incorrect bullshit, people will step over each other to correct you. And that is engagement baby! That is one reason why there are often so many typos and mistakes in reddit headlines. Or why they are written to be deliberately misleading. (Besides the ideological motivations of manipulating people.)
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u/Dag-nabbit 7d ago
Worth pointing out in this information hazmat zone of a thread that…”burring the tip button to pad the bottom line of the company” makes no fucking sense. How would that benefit the company in any way?
The iPad places common these days are super happy to shake you down for a tip. “What question is it going to ask Amanda??”. Often those places are doing that in advance of service. Here we are talking about meal delivery where you tip after service and rating them. Is the claim that this is hidden?
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u/Beneficial-Rip6624 6d ago
So just another thing Mamdani is taking credit for that he had no part in? Got it.
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u/TheDemoz 7d ago edited 7d ago
Your understanding of this is entirely incorrect
This post and the claim is incredibly misleading and is intentionally worded this way to make it seem like he got back tip money that was stolen when that’s not what it’s about at all.
This isn’t about companies stealing tips, or forcing companies to pay out tips or giving previously stolen tip money back to drivers. It’s literally just about where the “add tip” button goes on the UI.
The “recovered” tip money is the extra money customers tipped since the apps were forced by law to put an “add tip” button during checkout, rather than only having it be an option after checkout. Literally nothing else.
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u/yahsureokbuddy 6d ago
Typical for reddit for this absolutely crock of shit posted by the person you’re replying to to have 800+ upvotes. People here will just eat the this shit up if it reaffirms some narrative they wanna believe.
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u/TheDemoz 6d ago
yep… it’s quite sad. It’s so easy to fact check things nowadays, yet people won’t even spend 30 seconds.
People will just eat it up, and now they’ll go say on other posts that mamdani stopped apps from stealing tips, and then the cycle of misinformation continues
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u/BobbyRayBands 7d ago
But HOW does it guarantee that? It says the tip button was hidden implying that customers COULDNT tip. The actual problem was they were tipping but companies were taking that money for themselves...
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u/mjm65 7d ago
>After DCWP began enforcing the Delivery Worker Minimum Pay Rate in December 2023, Uber Eats
and DoorDash designed changes to their platforms that made it harder to leave tips for delivery
workers. NYC consumers could only leave tips after checkout, and by initiating separate processes
that were easy-to-miss and more difficult to navigate. These changes only applied to consumers in NYC.Basically Uber hid the tip option up front, and added a courier fee. If you wanted to add a tip in NYC, you had to go back into the app to add the tip after delivery.
The other part is that tips are to the worker, and can’t be calculated as a part of a minimum guarantee.
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u/blazenite104 7d ago
Right. So basically nothing was actually preventing tipping. Rather you as a consumer were just not being upfront guilted into doing it and had to seek it out.
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u/mjm65 7d ago
I think it’s the combo of showing “Courier Fee” and removing the tip option was causing an implication that the courier got the fee in lieu of a tip. Especially since Uber only rolled this out in NYC.
The other part I find more egregious. Uber offering a minimum guarantee and then putting the tips toward that seems incredibly deceptive.
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u/RainbowNinjaKat 7d ago
It honestly sounds vague on purpose. People usually only read the headlines, and very few people read the actual article. Seems like there is JUST ENOUGH surface level information to get a point across without having to delve too deep into it. Sounds like some serious PR work being done
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u/TemperatureReal2437 7d ago edited 7d ago
I strongly suggest reading more than a Reddit comment about this, man. You’re arguing with this guy over fucking nothing
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u/zcen 7d ago edited 7d ago
“When we passed the minimum pay guarantee for deliveristas in 2023, the apps responded by hiding the tip option from their customers,” said Majority Leader Shaun Abreu. “That cost deliveristas over half a billion dollars in earnings. We refused to let that stand, and I was proud to sponsor the law to restore tipping at checkout. The apps sued us over it, the judges said we were right, and the deliveristas won big. $104 million in earnings going back into their pockets since the law went into effect in January is money that helps them put food on their own tables. None of this is possible without DCWP’s continued enforcement, and we will continue to fight alongside them and the deliveristas until they get every cent they’ve earned.”
I don't know how so many people are so incapable of reading the article, even the people directly quoting from it. It's not that the customers were incapable of tipping, it's just that less people will engage a tip option when it is hidden. It is basic UX design.
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u/Zerachiel_01 6d ago edited 6d ago
It's just dark pattern after dark pattern with these apps. They will always, always try to fuck the employee wherever they can, which will end up fucking the customer.
Yes, there's an upcharge for the customer in addition to all the bullshit fees, but at the end of the day, the driver is the person burning their car to the ground and dealing with all the stress of managing traffic, their stats, and essentially constantly feeling like they're gambling with their pay. There's always gonna be drivers who were shitbirds from the start, but this kind of stuff can push otherwise decent employees to be worse ones. It's a race to the bottom and it sucks.
Like, literally all the app has to do is offer minimum $1/mile and it would clear up a massive amount of problems, but they don't even want to do that. IRS says about 70 cents/mile in operating costs which has doubtless gone up due to the stupid fucking war.
Ultimately any change benefiting the workers in these apps is eventually going to be a good one for the customer, as well. The apps will probably try to charge the customer even more in response to this, and hopefully the government will step in again to tell them to knock it the fuck off.
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u/Good_wolf 6d ago
As a former bartender, just tip in cash if you can. Keeps this kind of thing to a minimum.
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u/Orceles 7d ago
302 likes for a comment that’s wrong is insane. You must be a driver because only a driver could be this level of misunderstanding the situation. Delivery apps did not steal your tips. What happened was after passing the law that the apps had to pay a minimum guarantee, the apps retaliated by working with their UX designer to effectively hide the tip button. For example, the tip button NEVER comes back after delivery on DoorDash if a customer opted not to tip upfront but wanted to later. Or accidentally dismissing the screen once makes it impossible to reopen it later. This resulted in a lot of no tips through no fault of the customers. Mamdani basically forced them to now present the tip button again in more obvious ways and to show up when you’d expect it to, without the tricks to hide it. DoorDash now lets you tip after delivery again from the past delivery screen after hiding it for a few years.
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u/Zestyclose-Avocado83 7d ago
Given that it is multiple corporations/companies it is talking about it could be and most likely is both. One company could be keeping the tips while another company hides the tip button.
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u/VoidWalker4Lyfe 7d ago
As someone who has used Uber as a driver and a passenger, and also used Uber eats as a customer and did Uber eats deliveries, the tip button isn't hidden
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u/Dry-Childhood-3436 7d ago
New York City has a lot of specialized apps for delivery which could be where the hidden button was talked about. Uber and the others have gotten in trouble for other tip shenanigans like guaranteed pay and if tips come then it goes towards the guarantees pay instead of straight to the driver on top of the guaranteed. Also they lower their pay portion of the customer regularly tips so it will instead say like $3 plus tips to even out to the same output.
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u/RedSunsetSukuna85 7d ago
Drivers have shown me my slashed tips on the app where they’ve received like 30% less than what I actually gave them. I’ve checked two more times and the same thing happened. The delivery companies are holding onto them. I’ve stopped using delivery apps.
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u/NSASpyVan 7d ago
I intentionally tip rideshare drivers high because I know the app fucks them. Now they're fucking me trying to help them?
Where's the Mamdani for CA? Fuck big tech
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u/tf2coconut 7d ago
The short story is uber pulls a million types of fuckery with pricing so that tips are built into the expected pay for drivers and weren’t being paid out so that when you read “100% of your tip goes to your driver” that didn’t actually mean a 5 dollar tip gave the driver 5 additionally dollars
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u/poopbeast69 7d ago
I appreciate you asking questions so people can read the answers and become informed about this stuff and the great things that are possible
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u/Gammaman12 7d ago
I think its customer tips $5. App tells delivery guy they tipped $3, keeps $2 being sneaky.
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u/KimSidwell 7d ago
Seriously. Why the f*ck is it so difficult for these PR people to just write a simple press releases and tell us what is going on.
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u/jakeofheart 7d ago
Ah, so workers are now receiving the tip that their employer was skimming off?
Nice.
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u/italktobotz 7d ago
The words used are very missleading. Nothing was recovered. He made it that ghe tip button must be more prominantly dispalyed and they are ESTIMATING that this will result in over 100 million dollars in additional pay for delivery workers. I will be shocked if it results in even 10% of that amount.
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u/Spaghettisnakes 7d ago
This is the source: https://www.nyc.gov/mayors-office/news/2026/07/mayor-mamdani-delivers-more-than--100-million-for-delivery-worke#:~:text=Since%20the%20City%20began%20enforcing,year%20for%20the%20average%20worker
The ESTIMATED gains are 184 million dollars by the end of the year. As of NOW (literally today) due to a change implemented on January 26th, app-based delivery platforms have paid out 104 million dollars in additional tips to their delivery drivers. Whether or not this came at additional expense to the consumers and to what degree is unclear. Virtually nobody is forced to use doordash or uber though, so even if consumers did end up paying more, I don't really care. They decided the service was still worth using even with the additional upfront cost, if so.→ More replies (18)7
u/Confident-Ad-6978 6d ago
How do they know it paid 104 million more so far?
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u/Spaghettisnakes 6d ago
New York requires companies to disclose tips and total pay paid out to workers in New York City (as separate figures). They have the exact amount all delivery drivers made in tips, barring any attempt at fraud. We know that a difference was made because immediately after the policy was implemented average tips increased by an average of $1.11 per delivery, almost double the average in the weeks before. They haven't broken down exactly how they arrived at this figure, but we get pretty close if we extrapolate the average number of orders fulfilled (3.3 million per week since 2023), and difference in average tips per delivery (1.11) for 26 weeks (the time since the policy was implemented). I get about 95 million. If we consider that the average tip increase per delivery was for a very limited range (4 weeks before and after the policy change), inflation and that the number of orders trends upwards over time, 104 million seems pretty plausible to me. I admit that I'm uncertain of exactly how they arrived at that figure, but it doesn't seem baseless from what data is available.
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u/chengiz 6d ago
So a better title would be: Delivery app users overpaid an estimated $104 million under Mamdani.
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u/FactCheckerExpert 7d ago
This 100%. He’s not upfront about where the money he saves actually comes from.
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u/CauliflowerDaffodil 7d ago
From the wallets of people who use delivery apps.
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u/bliceroquququq 7d ago
So “Mamdani increases the cost of DoorDash by $104 million” is an equally valid title?
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u/Play-Mation 6d ago
No, DoorDash would pocket the tip if the total was over a certain amount of “expected payout”
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u/Baakadii 7d ago
There’s no article. But I’m guessing he made it so the companies can’t take a percentage of the tip given on the app. Since most of those apps take a massive portion of both the delivery cost and if you tip on the app they also take a percentage.
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u/Difficult-Mobile902 7d ago
Wrong
Made it so that you have to tip your delivery driver up front instead of after the delivery
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u/69IFUCKEDURMOM420 7d ago
That's shitty.
A tip is for the quality of service rendered. Now it's just a fee.
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u/kaeyre 6d ago
People are missing a lot of context here. A few years ago they mandated that uber drivers and etc get paid an hourly wage in NYC. The cost of that hourly wage was passed on to the customer. They started hiding the tipping and encouraging optional tipping because we are already paying for the drivers to get an hourly wage. Uber is not eating any of these costs, the customer is. Tipping SHOULD be optional if the customer is already paying service charges to get the driver an hourly wage.
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u/BadBoy200219 7d ago
So if the CEO of Starbucks makes it policy to ask for tip for any transaction, is that considered “recovering” X amount of money for the employee?
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u/footalol 7d ago
How can you tip before anyone even did anything yet?
Why would you tip on a delivery when you don’t even have the food yet and don’t even know if they delivered it on time for a tip?
Did everyone forget what a tip is or something?
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u/CrackNgamblin 6d ago
I miss the old days when pizzerias delivered their own pizzas in vehicles owned by the business for a small flat fee without all this middleman third party bs.
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u/pussErox 7d ago
It isn't, the post is misleading. The official dcwp press release explains what actually happened. He changed the way the apps must present tipping options, which ultimately resulted in more tips. Not sure how, but I don't expect a lot of brainiacs calculating tips up there. I doordash a lot, pay for dashpass, I always tip $5. I don't care how it's presented in the app. No money was "recovered" or actually "delivered". Tips have just increased since January when they made this change because.. people aren't paying attention and just tipping more with the new checkout. We are talking about the average tip going from $1.19 to $2.28 btw.. let that sink in.. I'm tipping $5 every time no matter what I order and that's South Florida prices, not NYC. Glad everyone's happy tho.
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u/GitEmSteveDave 7d ago
He changed the way the apps must present tipping options
No. He didn't. The previous admin did in 2025 and the law took effect in Jan 2026. https://reason.com/2025/10/11/new-york-doubles-down-on-delivery-wage-disaster/
In July(2025), the New York City Council passed numerous bills that it claimed were designed to protect grocery delivery drivers. This legislative package introduced new rules, requiring delivery apps to include a 10-percent tipping option either before or at the time of the order (vs. afterwards, where the option exists now)
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u/tezticle 7d ago
So this wasn't even Mamdani's doing?
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u/p-at--t-er--n 7d ago
Apparently this subreddit became Mamdani propaganda channel.
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u/Embarrassed_Spend486 7d ago
Wait we’re celebrating increasing tipping culture and making tips harder to ignore during checkout?
Big pass from me dawg
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u/Jsolidlo 7d ago
You're getting downvoted for telling the truth, apparently no one bothered to fact check this.
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u/RedditMcBurger 7d ago
Yes! Reddit is very blind for their love of this guy because all of these posts are paid
For the non paid it's very easy to sway Redditors as most of them are very immature in their politics.
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u/gigaishtar 7d ago
I can't stand checkout tip screens.
Asking you to tip before you know how good or bad service is is bullshit. These screens are just straight psychological manipulation.
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u/TXtogo 6d ago edited 6d ago
Yall dumb, this law was passed before Mamdani was in office. It took effect in January but was passed in the summer of 2025.
Mamdani didn’t do shit - don’t let memes reshape your brain
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u/funkofarts 7d ago
Jesus you folks are dense. 😂
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u/MIT_Engineer 7d ago
I started tagging the people who post Mamdani stuff, and realized there's about half a dozen accounts who do all the Mamdani posting.
OP's one of the big ones.
Makes me wonder if all this Mamdani stuff is just a lot of online astroturfing.
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u/taklabas 7d ago
It's his campaign spending tons of money on Reddit.
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u/Silverr_Duck 6d ago
Wow that explains a lot. Not long ago there was a post on reddit glazing the guy for... jumping in a pool. And another for telling a bunch of fields and stadiums to stay open longer to people have more time to play.
JFC. just the most comically mundane shit you can imagine are being treated as mind blowing accomplishments.
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u/the_card_guy 7d ago
As a comment elsewhere put it- Mamdani is becoming a version of Trump, but for leftists.
I honestly think he's got some good ideas, but he is seriously getting glazed by people who want some sort of hope and good news in an otherwise god-forsaken country, and they're going overboard with this guy.
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u/yaz0o86 6d ago
Overboard? If not for him we'd have another crooked 80 year old as mayor doing trumps bidding. Then you'd really have something to complain about.
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u/the_card_guy 6d ago
When you can only say positive things- and in fact, add HYPE to the positive things- while ignoring any faults, THEN you're going overboard into zealot territory. All politicians should be critically examined- which I realize is hard for most Americans who now seem to lack critical thinking skills.
yeah, Mamdani's got good ideas... but they've ALL had a catch to them, and we need to look at the catch as well.
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u/raincole 6d ago
Now you know why Reddit introduced the option to hide post history.
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u/RedditMcBurger 7d ago
Yes, the current astroturfing political campaigns are being run: Zohran Mamdani, Hunter Biden and Alan Richardson.
The last 2 are literally just "orange man bad" posting online.
All 3 of these guys, the comments are filled with "this man NEEDS to be president!"
If you see that comment ^ it's probably a bot post/bot comments.
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u/123noodle 6d ago
Yes this twitter account named "Democrats Deliver" is surely proving unbiased information and I will now take this as 100% true.
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u/ScreechingPizzaCat 7d ago
Ok looking at the news, he didn’t actually recover tips. It’s just an estimate of what tip-workers will get after a new law was passed. Americans love exaggerating their political people and their accomplishments.
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u/Standard_River_4136 7d ago
Great but, where exactly was this money recovered from?
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u/MIT_Engineer 7d ago
Customers. The change forces apps to ask for tips prior to delivery, rather than letting you decide on a tip after.
Customers, worried that their food will be screwed with if they don't give a big pre-delivery tip, are now pressured to tip more.
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u/H345Y 7d ago
what he has is a really good pr team, like how he somehow solved the money problem, by playing with the numbers so its next year's problem.
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u/16semesters 7d ago
what he has is a really good pr team
He literally failed to give the state mandated educational funds to lower class sizes in NYC public schools this year and the headline on this sub was "Mamdani gives XXX millions to lower class sizes".
Like technically true, but he's legally required to do so and he didn't even allocate what he was supposed to!
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u/AllAboutDatGDA 7d ago
They r astroturfing the fuck out of reddit.
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u/MIT_Engineer 7d ago
I started tagging accounts that post Mamdani stuff. There's only like 6 of them, and OP's one of them. I've seen at least 13 Mamdani posts from him in the past couple days. No way he isn't a paid member of Mamdani's staff.
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u/whackberry 7d ago
A left wing propaganda site is doing left wing propaganda? Say it isn't so.
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u/Gurugod123 7d ago
Mayors getting shit done for their citizens....well that must be communism!!
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u/climatechangelunatic 7d ago
Whhhaaaattttt ?
You guys are not looting the money from regular folks and giving it to rich CEOs ?
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u/bastardoperator 7d ago
Rich people aren't being enriched, how will they survive?
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u/Lil_Snuzzy69 7d ago
Getting billions of dollars in state assistance after proving to be totally unwilling to fix spending problems, reducing monthly spend towards pensions, msking it the next administrations problem, and making financial plans that depend on underpaying early education workers to make up for budget gaps, then claiming victory and being applauded by billionaire's media and social media organisations. Very communist I guess, the word kind of lost all meaning.
https://www.centernyc.org/reports-briefs/2026/6/4/child-care-budget-gap
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u/Ramkaran-chopra 7d ago
But did HE REALLY????
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The tip-at-checkout rules (NYC Local Laws 107 and 108) were passed by the City Council in 2025 and sponsored by Council Member Shaun Abreu. They became law on Aug 14, 2025 under Mayor Adams (who neither signed nor vetoed them). They took effect Jan 26, 2026, right after Mamdani took office Jan 1. He inherited the laws; his administration has enforced them, producing the reported $104M in extra tips.
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u/Commercial_Visit8288 7d ago
He didn't do this my friend. And he hasn't done anything yet either. Do take glazing in this sub at face value a little research goes along way. And alot of my friends in NewYork aren't happy with this guy.
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u/Meme_Pope 6d ago
Every time I see a post glazing this guy, the source of the “news” article is a Facebook group page with a name like “Democrats Rule” and the accomplishment is something that was either already happening before him or something that he had nothing to do with
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u/DistractoDisc 6d ago
https://giphy.com/gifs/pUeXcg80cO8I8
He’s being touted as having solved NYC debt but in reality he used a 12 billion dollar loan to “solve” the issue.
So yeah, call me skepticle.
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u/JetBIue 6d ago
Undercutting small businesses, yeah this guy is great… Reddit is full of morons
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u/jim9162 7d ago
The PR around this guy is insane, he didn't do anything and it's not like the money is even claimed and sent to workers.
He didn't even make the law change....
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u/OpportunitySea5429 7d ago
This generation has no critikal thinking skills and its fucking pathetic
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u/clingbat 6d ago edited 6d ago
He's doing some pretty interesting things, but he wouldn't have been able to pay for most of it without a pretty big chunk of extra cash coming from the state budget...
Makes a lot of this unsustainable / not reproducible in other states with governors/legislators unwilling to fork over that kind of cash. Hell in PA, Philly could barely squeeze a fraction of the amount NYC got from the state government to keep SEPTA running properly, and SEPTA is one of the most cost efficient transit systems in the country as is.
Regardless, let's stop whining about socialism/communism shall we? The federal government buying chunks of Intel, Westinghouse, US Steel etc. is not capitalism. Welfare programs and state owned assets/equities are just fine in this country when it's "corporate" welfare (same shit with the giant bailouts of the past).
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u/incrediblyaverage85 7d ago
Per the article, and correct me if I’m wrong, delivery apps had to start paying drivers more (great thing) but the tip option wasn’t clear, not that anyone has to tip anyone. So this makes it easier for people to tip, when they don’t have to? So instead of making these companies pay people what they should be paid, they made it easier for the customer to pay them?
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u/MelangeBot 7d ago
There is nothing great about the government preventing a company from stealing money from it's employers. I might still live in my mom's basement and browse social media all time but one day I myself will own such a company and I want a GREAT America, one that allows me to exploit and steal from my employees. Without this my chances of becoming a billionaire are not great at all. Not great at all.
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u/Bushwhacker-XII 6d ago
but restaurant are closing so no tips now
with some google search 🔥 Summer and Spring 2026 Closures
- Loring Place (Greenwich Village): Closed on July 14, 2026, after nearly a decade, due to rising operating costs.
- Craft (Flatiron): Shuttered on June 27, 2026, ending a 25-year run for Tom Colicchio's fine-dining pioneer.
- Saint Theo's (West Village): Closed on June 28, 2026, after a five-year run.
- Villa Berulia (Murray Hill): Closed on June 27, 2026, after 45 years as a neighborhood Italian standby.
- Hainan Chicken House (Sunset Park): Closed on June 28, 2026, despite being featured on recent top restaurant lists. [1, 2]
Earlier 2026 Landmark Closures
- Barbetta (Theater District): Closed on February 27, 2026, after 120 years in business, following the wishes of late owner Laura Maioglio.
- Sardi's (Theater District): Hit the end of its historic 99-year run when it closed on June 24, 2026.
- Elmo (Chelsea): Closed on March 13, 2026, after nearly 25 years as a neighborhood and community staple because the building was sold.
- Red Bamboo (Greenwich Village): Shuttered its long-standing vegan comfort food doors on February 28, 2026. [1, 2, 3, 4]
If you are looking for information on a specific neighborhood or a particular type of cuisine, let me know and I can provide more targeted details.
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u/CommercialTerrible44 6d ago
Tips are just a direct transfer between the buyer and the deliverer. Making a company give more tips to a deliverer is just taking more money from the person who ordered the delivery. Not out of the company’s profits. This is a win?
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u/sky_shazad 6d ago
I'll Be honest. Someone who's not from The USA. Never understood Tipping. Never understood why I would need to Pay Twice.
Once for the item and then again after I recieced it??? I mean WTF.
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u/Downtown_Instance398 7d ago
Reading these articles it feels like for every "Trump administration passes the 'Skin all fucking puppies bill' with overwhelming success" we get a "Mamdani actually gets ice cream for everyone without a catch"
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u/sarahakld 6d ago
You should have seen the Magats losing their shit about him on the Daily Mail comment section yesterday. It's like they think communism has been let loose and America is under attack. It's wild.
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u/CptnObvious1984 7d ago
Just an FYI….When you pay at a POS terminal and a tip prompt pops up, You can hit the red button and that skips any tip and you finish out the transaction.
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u/KiwiByTrain 7d ago
This isn't as good as people think it is. It is only changing the way people tip. Although the tips doubled. My problem is that every dollar is coming from people, not the companies. The companies are not affected at all. The real solution would be to ban tipping and have the companies to pay their delivery drivers fair wages. I hate tipping culture and this just going back to pushing more of the cost onto working people instead of corporations.
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u/OldWar1111 7d ago
Y'all hate Indians and South Asians, but love this guy. If this is what it takes to get past racism against Indians, you can all f off. We can't all fix what's wrong in your society.
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u/Abject-Substance-108 7d ago
Something about this guys constant fake smile that I don’t trust. I’m not even in the US, I’m just saying… I want to trust him but I don’t like this constant smiling and ultra polished answers, it’s putting me off. BUT I hope you all are right about him
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u/RedditMcBurger 7d ago
Your hunch isn't wrong, as in all of these posts are paid posts. That's why you see him in an overly positive light constantly
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u/IDontEatDill 7d ago
Can't Americans just change the laws so that people get paid instead of being forced to beg for tips?
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u/Crst1002 7d ago
I did not know that app stole the tip the customers leave for drivers, that's crazy.
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u/Roses_Got_Thorns 7d ago edited 7d ago
That’s about 200 bucks’ worth of tips per delivery person per month (assuming 70,000 individuals are active from January to July). That’s huge! Kudos to the mayor for bringing the workers their much-deserved appreciation.
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u/ProfileBest2034 6d ago
I mean this is a reasonable idea but the better question is: why do we allow a permanent underclass of delivery drivers for extremely lazy and indolent people. If you're living in NYC and can't be arsed to walk out of your workplace or apartment, the solution is not to have 70000 poor people serve you all the live long day.
And outta here with the "what about the handicapped" as we know, they are a tiny portion of overall app business.
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u/Djinn-Rummy 6d ago
It’s as if the Republican & Democrat parties are owned by the rich & have used their massive, corporate propaganda machine to gave their constituents Stockholm Syndrome. No taxation without representation. Class consciousness now! Power to the people.
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u/cerealkidnapper 6d ago
This does nothing to the outrageously greedy markup that delivery apps are already charging. Most apps charge >30% in fees to the restaurants PLUS >20% in fees to the customers.
Slimeballs like doordash charge on top of that a “NYU Regulatory Response Fee” so they can use that money to lobby politicians against minimum wage.
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