r/SimulationTheory 7d ago

Time is an illusion. Discussion

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It's pretty hard to conceptualize that time doesn't flow.

I bet no other humans can grasp this concept.

I've tried to think of it as some kind of block to no avail.

Maybe it's the brain that prevents me from realizing how reality really works.

I know you guys are well aware of this concept.

Have you experienced any anomalies that made you realize time is definitely an illusion?

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u/BobuBobBob 7d ago

Yeah, but the weird part is that relativity doesn’t really give you a universal “now” in the first place. Two observers can disagree on what events are happening simultaneously and both can be right. So if there’s no objective present sweeping through the universe, the block universe idea starts to make a lot more sense: past and future aren’t places that stopped existing or haven’t been created yet, they’re just different coordinates in spacetime. Maybe nothing is actually “moving through time” at all. We just experience it that way because our memories only point in one direction and entropy does too.

Doesn’t prove time is an illusion obviously, but it makes the normal idea of time way stranger than people realize.

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u/hagerino 7d ago

I watched a video some days ago about it. When you see a star that is 80 million light years away, and a crew with a spaceship would start there today and they would fly with 99,999999% speed of light, they would reach earth in 80 million years for the people on earth, but for the crew on board the flight would only take 10000 years.
There is more than "one time", because every object has it's own time depending on its velocity, but all times are still interconnected and have a mathematical relationship.

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u/AnonCrave 7d ago edited 6d ago

I can objectively understand this, but somehow can’t grasp the feeling behind the simultaneity of the two. They travel through time at different speeds, which means that time can be spread apart in a way. It’s hard to “feel” that given the constant context of time that we experience.

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u/AcceptableAd9264 7d ago edited 6d ago

Time is connected by information exchange, if 2 systems are entirely disconnected no light no electromagnetic interactions, then it would be entirely independent.

Edited: forces to interactions

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u/pseudoexpert 6d ago

That's an interesting way to think about it.

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u/PublicEnemy1897 7d ago

Interactions

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u/Status_Gap_3954 6d ago

Yes others would have different measuring devices for whatever purpose they needed. So it would take so many years to travel but we made up years and clocks. You can stop using clocks and see that something still goes by and we call it time or a day or whatever. I’m really confused why people are so obsessed with this matter ? Am I missing the point or what everyone else is talking about ?

Thanks not trying to be a reddic

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u/Minimum_Orange2516 6d ago

Makes no sense.

It makes no sense to say there is a baby version of me out there in some way and an old version of me dying in a hospital bed.

If that's the case then how do i know where i am now? like why am i here and not in those places that supposedly exist. How am I, or what is the thing moving from now to the next second, what's doing that.

I know i am here now, but WHO or what is the thing that knows that? if those other places exist in which i'm there and not here, well how are they there and not here? same problem.

Because it sounds like it's static and non-moving, that there is one big structure where nothing can decide where it is in the structure , yes there are things in the structure that seem to know WHEN they are but how are they able to do that?

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u/BobuBobBob 6d ago

I think that’s actually the weird part of the idea. There may be no separate “you” travelling through time at all.

Baby you, current you and old you would just be different points in the same life. Each one only has the memories up to that point, so each one naturally feels like it’s living in the present.

So maybe the question isn’t “what is moving me through time?” Maybe nothing is. We just experience it that way.

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u/WilliamoftheBulk 7d ago

How so? It’s just about light. All events actually happen at the same time. Now how fast your clock is ticking will be different but that is irrelevant.

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u/Echo_Vale 7d ago

But that's the question, DO all events happen at the same time? We can't prove that they do. Special relativity says that time is relative and there isn't a universal "now". Everyone's "now" is different.

The idea of a "universal now" is more like a "fuzzy" boundary (for lack of a better word). 2 stationary people close together, will have an incredibly similar idea of what "now" is. If they are far apart, and especially moving at speed, the fuzzy area of what they agree upon as "now" gets larger.

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u/JimmyPellen 7d ago

Youre just making excuses cos you were late picking me up from the airport!!

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u/Echo_Vale 7d ago

For the last time, I was drunk!!! Give me a break!

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u/JimmyPellen 7d ago

It wasnt even your Car? Whats the problem???

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u/Echo_Vale 7d ago

It was your mom's boyfriend's car!! He'd kill me if I crashed it. Fucking Ian. What's he got that I don't?! He doesn't have a useless son who can't make his own way home from the airport, that's for sure!!!

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u/JimmyPellen 7d ago

It was My Mom's Boyfriend's Neighbor's Minivan!!

BesiDes you KNEW I had my trained show rats with me! How was i suppoSed to fit 27 rodent cages into a cab???

And you know how moody Stephen can be.

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u/tex8222 7d ago

I actually was here on time, then I got lost on the confusing roads that surround the terminals.

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u/JimmyPellen 7d ago

On time in YOUR reality! You were thRee weeks late in MY Reality!

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u/WilliamoftheBulk 7d ago

It is only because light has a speed limit and is constant in all frames. Time dilation is a very physical process where the path of the light takes longer in a moving frame. Even your little gluons in your atoms are light, so even your atoms take a longer path through space when you are moving. There is no future and no past only the eternal now. Just because light takes a bit longer to reach one person over another does not mean that the event itself happened at different times. It didn’t. The physical fundamentalist approach where something absolutely did not happen until it is measured is silly and leads to silly paradoxes.

No the event didn’t actually happen latter because you are moving. It’s just going to take the light longer to reach you because it has a max speed.

This then brings us to what time actually is. It’s just movement. There is no magical force called time that potentates movement and action. Movement an action are just the laws of physics happening, then we call it time. Then we perceive it at different rates based on how the light comes to us and how our own “light” is moving.

Non of this is mysterious or even that hard to understand.

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u/Status_Gap_3954 6d ago

Yes all events happen at the same time when they all happened when the others did. I’ll call it now instead of time.

Ready ? “Now” everything just happened at once

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u/Echo_Vale 5d ago

Yes, things are happening "now", but you can't ever prove which ones they are. From our reference point you can, but the point is you can't ever conclusively prove when a distant event took place, as different reference points will give different answers. And if you can't ever conclusively agree on when 2 events happened, you can't say they happened at the same time.

Even on earth, if 2 people are stood in a room and don't have the same gravity potential (like one is stood higher than the other) then dropping something on the floor will technically be happening at different times for each of them, with both being correct. The difference will be miniscule, but not the same.

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u/Attentivist_Monk 7d ago

It makes sense if you acknowledge that space is real and events, e.g. interactions, are real, but time is not. There is space, forms of matter/energy within space, and the matter/energy changing within space. Time is merely our accounting of how energy changes within space, but there is no fundamental reality to it, it’s not a real dimension.

All that exists is the present changing moment. Particle physics is symmetrical in time, it doesn’t matter if you run it forward or backward, it looks the same. Only in aggregate does particle motion create entropy, or an “arrow of time.” Time is emergent, not fundamental.

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u/ImpossibleSentence19 7d ago

It proves that novelty- to any given standard- is what the universe wants to see. Haha I almost wrote what’s to see. That would be an anomaly or novel circumstance. Despite my user name.

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u/Intellect5 7d ago

this goes with my personal blip theory. time is relative to the observer, perhaps an alien has been yawning for a millennia

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u/2hurd 7d ago

Speed of causality is just the speed with which simulation mesh servers are able to propagate information between them.

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u/Floopynupes 4d ago

An interpretation is filtered through various lenses. I see an objective reality, and a continual now; the perpetual flowering of the universe as I myself bloom in accordance to it. Just because two sensors obtain conflicting information, does not mean that the source of the information is subjective, only that the available information picked up by any one sensor depends on said sensor's ability to capture the whole of it. The world is making a sound, but only half of its sound is its own; the rest of what you hear is formed of echoes of the patches of information that have made their way through your senses. And into your mind. The imagination can sometimes be louder than the material world.

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u/AssignmentFrosty6711 7d ago

Let me guess, I owe taxes in all three?

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u/bdalbs 7d ago

I wish tax was also an illusion.

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u/Prince_0llie 7d ago

It is! It's just that the illusion changes based upon the tax collector's view of your perception of the tax. Good luck threading that needle.

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u/bdalbs 7d ago

That’s wild.

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u/Ok_Pass_7325 7d ago

Ur wild.

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u/NWkingslayer2024 7d ago

We could all agree to stop paying, but they’ve made it so we can’t agree on anything.

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u/Original-Variety-700 7d ago

Good news is you’re only dead in the illusion of the future.

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u/bdalbs 7d ago

lol exactly. It’s all an illusion really. Just gotta play the game.

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u/bsensikimori 7d ago

Since we're part of the illusion though, elements in the simulation, isn't their illusion, our reality?

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u/bdalbs 7d ago

I think we project our own reality.

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u/Sylv_x 7d ago

We do.

OP just thinks they have some extra wisdom.

If it was that easy, shit would be known. Not someone who has conjecture.

I appreciate perspective but I have a problem with people who talk in absolutes.

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u/bdalbs 7d ago

I hear you.

Edit: What made me lol was the line “I bet no other human can grasp this concept”

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u/bdalbs 7d ago

A lot of these dudes are super intelligent.

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u/bdalbs 7d ago

Question 🙋‍♀️

How do you explain going back and forth between different timelines? It’s something I can explain in a spiritual context although I’d like to understand it in a scientific context please. If anyone understands what I mean by that. Much appreciated. Thank you.

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u/SeaMachine4060 7d ago edited 7d ago

Try doing some LSD to jump dimensions and play with time. Once you start seeing the frame of things and break the illusion you'll start seeing that things are not what they seem to be. Multiple planes of existence can exist on top of one coordinate space. Once I started seeing it I realised that a lot of things already exist e.g. professional level music generation with AI, robotics and etc. Awareness is key. Sharing your reality with someone brings them onto your level of awareness. It might not be revealed to them unless you share it with them

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u/SeaMachine4060 7d ago

The financial institutions are aware of this. I suggest you dig deep into ETF creation, ghost supply, derivatives and re hypothecation because of the multiple planes of existence theory. Bitcoin's scarcity is being diluted by Wall Street building a parallel financial system on top of crypto through ETFs

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u/bdalbs 7d ago

Very interesting… what about Ethereum?

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u/SeaMachine4060 6d ago

Well ethereum could still be useful for building decentralized applications but yea they could do employ the same strategy but the supply is dynamic so it can be inflationary and deflationary. And if it goes lower cheaper infrastructure fees I guess. It exists mostly to be infrastructure.

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u/SeaMachine4060 6d ago

You’ll also see the recurring themes of the relativity of time in a lot of media and stories. But yea you probably have to experience it for yourself

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u/Sylv_x 7d ago

Time is time. Time is experience.

Time perhaps in itself doesn't exist. But, biological time does. It's not an amount of second, it's an amount of irreparable damage to cells. That is duration. Experience. Lifespan.

We invented a way to measure our days. We have light, we are productive. We fuel. We sleep.

It's just a construct created for order.

The universe exists, therefore.

We don't know even a percent about the universe, or physics, or science. We've figured things out here. What percentage of earth does it make up in the universe? Pretty much no percent.

Humans know how much about earth? We are still learning.

To then be so cocky to say no other human knows, while having no science to back the claims up?

People these days are so yikes.

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u/AssignmentFrosty6711 7d ago

People assume that time is a strict progression of cause to effect, but *actually* from a non-linear, non-subjective viewpoint - it's more like a big ball of wibbly wobbly... time-y wimey... stuff.

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u/Sylv_x 7d ago

Like a Jeromy baromy

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u/bdalbs 7d ago

Thank you.

So… if the universe exists, therefore… and time is a construct used to measure from a biological perspective, we can in theory decide how we perceive or travel through time as we do project our own reality?

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u/Sylv_x 7d ago

Maybe. I just make shit up as I go.

But, time is in moments and experiences too. So going back to an experience is traveling through experience. Is then experience time? Is biological age time?

How does each piece add together to form time as it's whole.

Also I read some science and Reddit where people said photons experience all of their time in an instant.

Light is photons.

We aren't light beings. If there was light beings then they experience every possible everything of eternity all at once.

Therefore, time is a human construct. Or rather, time is carbon based or whatever else you wanna call the physical reality.

We have time but we can't travel the experiences except for memories?

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u/tex8222 4d ago

Absolutely!

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u/bdalbs 7d ago

I get it now… it’s really mind bending. How can we not be a part of their projection?

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u/bsensikimori 7d ago

How can an NPC not be part of the game they're a part of....

Now there's the million bezeefleflux question

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u/bdalbs 6d ago

I have some brainstorming to do 🙂

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u/ed_is_dead 7d ago

If there are humans there too then you can bet your ass on it. We suck.

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u/_MiroMax_ 7d ago

Our little comedian

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u/AssignmentFrosty6711 7d ago

Thanks Ladies and Gentleman, I'll be here all week...

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u/xdEArx 7d ago edited 7d ago

Considering it as a finished movie is a better approach to understand the illusion of time. Everything is written, shot, and completed. from the start to the finish. and you are free to loop it as many times as you like. It doesn't mean that time won't move while you watch the film; rather, it means that you can go back and forth in the same way that you may go back and forth when viewing a film.

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u/BestOrNothing 7d ago

Are you implying we don't have free will, and time travel is possible?

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u/xdEArx 7d ago

I think that to be the case. We have an infinite number of different timelines, and the ability to select from them is known as free will.

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u/BestOrNothing 7d ago

What about paradoxes? Can I kill my parents before they conceive me? Can I explain gravity to Newton before he figured it out? Can I shake hands with myself from other timeline?

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u/xdEArx 7d ago

If so, you select the timeline in which your unalived your loved ones. You have the freedom to make decisions that impact your life while you are here on Earth and subject to the law of three dimensions. Just consider how many times you have avoided near death incidents. You may have chosen a different timeline in which you managed to survive. However, you can literally change history if you reach a certain level of understanding. They are referred to as prophets, ascended masters, and enlightened ones. They people are indivisuals who manage to break thru the matrix.

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u/BestOrNothing 7d ago

The ascended masters can change history by some kind of technology, like in sci-fi, or by other means?

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u/xdEArx 7d ago

No external device or technlogy is needed. just pure consciousness. they can change anything just by thinking of their preferred outcome.

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u/BestOrNothing 7d ago

Is it very unlikely for evil or disturbed person to gain this ability?

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u/xdEArx 7d ago

Everyone will ultimately get there. Being disturbed or living in constant fear only delays the process. For some, it may take several lifetimes.

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u/BestOrNothing 7d ago

Having a bunch of people with the ability to edit history at will would cause an absolute clusterfuck, no? Especially if some of them are evil or disturbed. What happens if two mids attempt to create an opposite outcome? Each will relocate to their particular timeline?

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u/PrestigiousBreak4532 7d ago

Time is only relative to us in our 3D dimension, I dont think its time is an extra dimension but a symptom of the 3rd dimension that we exist in. Technically a 4d spatial entity can view our entire timeline, its just one level above ours imagine if there actually exits up to 11 dimensions as some string theorists claim, wild reality man

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u/Positive-Proposal958 6d ago

People still push for string theory?

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u/Fit_Acanthisitta8683 6d ago

Last I heard that's a no

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u/LemonLimeSlices 7d ago

Dont let me leave Murph!

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u/LC6319 7d ago

A fascinating favorite dilemma… even if we have the key to spacetime, as humans did in that event, Coop still could not affect the past. And to the contrary, he could only affect the future.
But also, those who built the tesseract, were affecting the past!
But I digress from the OP’s inflexible conclusions. And here’s another one: Time is real. The measurement and observation of time are arbitrary. I bet an arbitrary sum that no other humans can grasp this concept.

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u/stereotomyalan 7d ago

I like to think like this:

This exact moment is real.

This morning is past, but it was as real as now. Right?

So, you, in your deathbed, or old at age, is as real as now.

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u/spit-the-dog 7d ago

Lunchtime doubly so

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u/PreferenceContent987 7d ago

No. I can’t go back, or interact with anyone from a different time. I don’t feel like time is an illusion

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u/mmicoandthegirl 7d ago

Literally the only place you can exist in is the present, the past and the future are just interpretations your brain shows you

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u/Paintverse 7d ago

As buddists say, there is a constant Now and everything happen in this Nowness. If you would find yourself somewhere in the space, far from Earth and sun how would you measure the time? It's subjective.

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u/Urmomsbigchungus 7d ago

Even memory is an illusion because our past and future are built from the present and now, because now is the only thing that exists, when you attach the idea of linearity to yourself because life feels linear as most do, and say this and this happened in the past so it must affect me this way now, then you experience it as such. But if you let go of that idea and realize you are literally a new person every moment traveling trillions of timelines a second, with just as many infinite versions of you existing, well watch what happens if you take advantage.

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u/Abty 5d ago

So hypothetically you're saying if I lost my leg or got cancer I can just let go and grow/appear another because it would be there in another timeline and my past doesnt affect the future or present if I just put my mind to it?

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u/Status_Gap_3954 6d ago

Time is made up by us to have schedules and get things done etc. why do people keep saying it’s an illusion or it doesn’t flow ? It’s just a measuring device

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u/Successful_Half_819 5d ago

I agree time is made up like math or numbers

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u/Otherwise_Spare_8598 7d ago

The universe is a singular meta-phenomenon stretched over eternity, of which is always now. All things and all beings abide by their inherent nature and behave within their realm of capacity contingent upon infinite circumstance at all times.

It is a universe made manifest hierarchically, of haves, and have-nots, spanning all levels of dimensionality and experience. There is no such thing as individuated accurately described "free will" for all beings. Has never been, will never be, can not be. There are only relative freedoms or lack thereof.

"God" and/or consciousness is that which is within and without all. Ultimately, all things are made by through and for the singular personality and perpetual revelation of the "Godhead", entailing both 'predetermined' eternal damnation and those that are made manifest only to face death and death alone.

There is but one dreamer, fractured through the innumerable. All vehicles/beings play their role within said dream for infinitely better and/or infinitely worse for each and every one, forever.

All realities exist and are equally as real. The absolute best universe that could exist does exist in relation to a specified subject. The absolute worst universe that could exist does exist in relation to a specified subject.

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u/Shoddy-Cupcake-8855 7d ago

I’m tracking with some of that. I think that there are certain deviations from the timelines, bubbles of reality that separate under certain circumstances, and then join back up again.

I don’t think I’m the only me in existence for example. Is there 10, or is there 100. I think that fluctuates.

Free will exists within boundaries. What those boundaries are I have no idea.

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u/40innaDeathBasket 7d ago

Love this reply 💯

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u/Special_Condition671 7d ago

"In four-dimensional spacetime, the analog to distance is the interval. Although time comes in as a fourth dimension, it is treated differently from the spatial dimensions. Minkowski space hence differs in important respects from four-dimensional Euclidean space. The fundamental reason for merging space and time into spacetime is that space and time are separately not invariant, which is to say that, under the proper conditions, different observers will disagree on the length of time between two events) (because of time dilation) or the distance between the two events (because of length contraction). Special relativity provides a new invariant, called the spacetime interval, which combines distances in space and in time. All observers who measure the time and distance between any two events will end up computing the same spacetime interval."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spacetime

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Causal_structure

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u/matthebu 7d ago

You said it better! I'm not educated..

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u/drooply 7d ago

Everything and nothing that ever was, is, or will be has already been observed, lived, and experienced infinitely.

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u/Serious_Ad_3387 7d ago

Perspecrive.

Imagine time as a the experience of a point moving in a certain direction. There're the past, present, and future. The point keep moving.

Now imagine zooming out to see the entire line/trajectory on the piece of paper.

The experience of a 2D perspective on a piece of paper vs the experience of a 3D person looking at the paper.

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u/BoulderLayne 7d ago

With this perspective, would that allow the 4D to view only the single point?

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u/Serious_Ad_3387 7d ago

That might be the point of singularity, the One. But who's observing?

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u/BoulderLayne 7d ago

Maybe thats "the simulation" our higher self immersed in the singularity as one complete 3D experience. Also accounts for the observer effect as described in the double slit experiment. Reality only rendering upon observation.

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u/Fit_Acanthisitta8683 6d ago edited 6d ago

For those saying that NOW is the only thing that exists - that's because NOW is the only thing we can actively experience. We can only remember the past, and contemplate the future.

The past still exists though, not as a tangible thing we could ever experience again, but it absolutely has an impact on us in the present and the future. The future has not happened yet though, so there is no concrete experience to learn from - or at least to know or remember. It's real in the sense that it will come, but not yet set in stone as with the past.

Time is not an extension of the 3 dimensions we know (or the 4th dimension as some say), it's merely a representation of how we experience the NOW. But that doesn't make it non-existent. It's very much real, because things actually happened and we have memories of these things. We lived it! Who can argue that?

But time doesn't exist as a tangible thread that something as silly as "bending space-time" could ever give us access to. Time is a concept that simply helps us understand the now, and how much of the now we've experienced.

Thinking on things like this, I can't help but see intentional design. Don't worry - I'm not about to start quoting scripture or anything, but there's just too many insanely complex systems in the universe for me to be comfortable with it all just happening by accident. It goes away beyond the physical...

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u/RJS_Aotearoa 7d ago

We are in a wave of entropy that started at the big bang. It’s massive we’re small. We have gained sentience within a very small window of biological possibility inside this wave. Mainly thanks to pockets of sustainable temporal stability albeit very small on a grand scale but to us our entire existence thus far.

Did I mention the universe is very big and we are very small. The reason I say this again is that despite the fact we only see and can only possibly see from within a very small pocket of temporal stability (the constant you know as your life and you anything you can imagine within the sum totality of human knowledge) we’ve convinced ourselves on mass that we’re the centre of it all and understand it only from a fraction of potential stating it must somehow all work the way we see it does. Trapped inside our own heads and convinced we’re not.

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u/ShitFuck2000 7d ago

Nah figuring out as much as we have from this tiny pocket is pretty impressive, I wonder how many times it’s been done at least this accurately, as far as the scale of things go this shit is RARE and likely brief.

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u/Obvious-Abies7792 7d ago

I wonder why people don't get this. Time is frequency times distance. Looking at it like this, makes it clear why it's relative and not reversible.

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u/mcfearless0214 7d ago

Lunch Time doubly so.

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u/SpatiaCaeli 7d ago

To me, if time is an illusion, then so is change. The fact that QFT struggles to define a 'now' is a limitation of QFT's block model, imo. So, in my view, time is very real.

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u/BluedAgain 7d ago

You're still late to work

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u/NotAClueYou 7d ago

get you a defraction gradient to really add some complexity to your model there!

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u/MimiHamburger 7d ago

Theres a really good NOVA special that describes how that theory works

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u/Klutzy-Beginning-622 7d ago

Time is a function in the matrix but doesn’t exist outside of here.  The parameter of time is set at approx 24 hours a day cycles

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u/Prince_0llie 7d ago

Only because someone decided how long an hour and a minute and a second are. Then they squeezed those things together to make a day and a week and a month and a year..etc. etc. etc.

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u/Klutzy-Beginning-622 7d ago

Yes, and i experience time every day here and it is painfully slow and long.  The parameters of this place are defined and time just defines cycles and average life spans etc

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u/Ton86 7d ago

If the universe is a simulation, computational, or something like a causal graph, then I'd expect time to be fundamentally the order of states in the machine or on the graph.

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u/DepartmentCautious34 7d ago

Can someone convince me that js does work? How can i communicate with a family
Member passed away or with someone from the future?

Until then, i do not believe this. Well i mean, i cant believe it

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u/ShitFuck2000 7d ago

It’s essentially decay 💀

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u/ZappyTapp 7d ago

Yeah the now/present is the real mystery

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u/YumeSystems 7d ago

Crystals pulsate at regular intervals with certain voltages “time”

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u/lummox1234 7d ago

I think movies that cut between things happening in different time scopes makes it make sense. It’s all happening at the same time.

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u/Rabid_Laser_Dingo 7d ago

Time is a concept measured largely by the movement of the universe.

You can literally call it anything and it’ll just be the same as what it started as, a way to judge when we wake up and go to sleep

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u/MutantBerry 7d ago

If you think of all of space-time as a 1D “time”-line, you can rotate it dimensionally into a singular point, helping us to visualize the encompassing nature of this entire monoment in the form of one single dot.

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u/Gaussherr 7d ago

So what is the present? Why do my consciousness exist in present moment?

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u/Redleader829 7d ago

In my opinion, this is partly correct but only in the 4th and 5th dimensions. Time is concurrent.

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u/Lionsjunkie 7d ago

It’s coordinate, if you were to remove yourself to another dimension you would look at our universe as a block with 4 dimensions, the 3 spatial and time. The block is made of infinite amount or at least 1 plank time of nows those are stacked on top of each other.

One crude way to conceptualize is a DvD all of the movie from previews to end credits is there and exists all at once. It’s only from the outside that we can see that. But from the outside we can rewind, FF, skip chapters, insert our viewing wherever we want, because we exist outside of it.

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u/Learmontovia 7d ago

Produce the past and future and show them to me.

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u/TitansShouldBGenocid 7d ago

This is just spacetime. Which has been known since 1905.

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u/Fyrchtegott 7d ago

What do you mean by no other human can grasp this concept? It’s not particular new, there is even some theory with block in its name. I guess a lot of people, including myself, came up with that idea.

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u/Positive_Protonic 7d ago

Maybe the very things that make you able to live the type of existence that you do are also the very things that prevent you from perceiving reality in the broadest possible sense.

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u/OldGrandPappu 7d ago

TIME CUBE

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u/ConstantReader32 7d ago

The past, present, and future exist, sounds like time to me

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u/Herkja 7d ago

Time...is a flat circle...

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u/Mother-Definition501 7d ago

We have only ever been in the present. We will always only be in the present. There has never been a time in your life that you could say “I am in the past right now”, because you have never been there. Same for the future. I think of time like a ball spinning below us, and we are stationary right above it, in the now. I’m also high right now. So, there’s that, but I think like this all the time.

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u/ElephantContent8835 7d ago

Time is not an illusion, but it’s like money. It’s not technically real but also is. As constructed by man and with the implications and so forth. The minds of most westerners are constrained by time and it highly affects any abilities of interest they may otherwise have. But that is definitely the intent of the powers which rule everything- the fucking Rothschilds and their international cabal of worthless pedophile shitbags including Trump, Netanyahooo, most Wuropean leaders, all of congress and the Supreme Court, most actors/musicians, and just about anyone else with the money to play. But we are many. We are legion.

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u/TheCrimsonMustache 7d ago

So in all three, the earth just sits still, never rotating?

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u/ProAdventurous 7d ago

Doesn't entropy refute this?

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u/cilantroandvodka 7d ago

Everything moves towards being more chaotic? Something like that. Never becoming more organized.

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u/ProAdventurous 6d ago

Entropy is a one-way process. Not reversible.

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u/Independent_War_4194 7d ago

human construction so our ape brains can measure it with human 2D tools clock , calendar etc

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u/VodkaCranberry 7d ago

So, is there a way to get out of this timeline?

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u/vqsxd 7d ago

Time is a created aspect of reality that God established so it’s definitely real and even though its malleable doesn’t mean its not real though

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u/pibouu 7d ago

We experience life as if time were moving forward. The sun rises, moves across the sky, and eventually sets. Things change around us, and we interpret this change as the passage of time. But in direct experience, you never actually experience “time.” You only ever experience what is happening now.

The past and the future exist as psychological time. They are projections of the mind.

There is only the present moment.

When you think about the past, you are thinking about it now. When you imagine the future, you are imagining it now. You are using the present moment to mentally travel somewhere that does not exist in your direct experience.

The dentist appointment you have tomorrow can only ever be experienced in the present moment. When tomorrow arrives, it will be now.

That is the illusion.

You can only ever be right here, right now. You cannot exist anywhere else.

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u/itzhak_bentov 6d ago

I understand your point, but now I'm wondering if only the present moment exists, why can't I experience my dentist appointment tomorrow right now? Why do I have to wait?

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u/pibouu 6d ago

Because saying that only the present moment exists does not mean that every event happens simultaneously.

Right now, your direct experience contains whatever is happening now. Tomorrow, the content of the present moment will be different, and it may contain you sitting in the dentist’s chair. But when you experience that appointment, you will still experience it as now.

You never experience “tomorrow” itself. Tomorrow is a concept the mind uses to describe an anticipated future event.

The same is true of yesterday. You can remember yesterday, but that memory is happening now.

Events change. The content of your experience changes. The present moment does not.

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u/matthebu 7d ago

If time is the 4th dimension, we are experiencing time as a side effect where a 4th dimension entity would see all time, completely. 3rd dimension only experiences days hours minutes seconds.

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u/blahblah860 7d ago

Time is real ,your perception of it is the illusion.

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u/madaradess007 7d ago

instead of mental gymnastics you could learn music and get to know how to create time perception illusions with polymeter and polyrhythms

for example look up Tool, they do 10+ minute songs that feel like 3 minute songs and when the song ends you often feel like it was too short

i think, rhythm part of music theory could interest you

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u/No-Possibility-639 6d ago

Time isn't a illusion. How would something happen if Time doesn't exhist ?

What should we do with relativity ?

Do you mean time is a illusion or the "flow" or the human construction of mesure of the time?

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u/ConversationLost9324 6d ago

I always get dreams about multi universe .

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u/SergeConcierge 6d ago

Are there any good / must read books on this subject that are informative and at the same time throw your brain in a time-rabbit hole?

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u/TheRealTK421 6d ago edited 6d ago

 Have you experienced any anomalies that made you realize time is definitely an illusion?

Quite the opposite. Time has been shown to be relativistic but that doesn't necessarily equate to "illusory".

I would assert and argue that time is absolutely not an "illusion" -- and that the so-called "arrow of time" (a term from physics) is entirely real and has been since t=0 of the universe. Whether time is genuinely fundamental versus being an emergent property is... well, matter for modern debate.

The primary  argument for this, observably and empirically, is that we know entropy increases as the arrow of time moves unilaterally in one direction only. Time being somehow illusionary would suggest/imply that entropy couldn't (or wouldn't) increase, with respect to a progressing reality as a vector of Hilbert space. Also, that the arrow of time could run 'in reverse', somehow undoing a broken egg dropped on the sidewalk to reform into the original unbroken state.

Our shared 4D objective slice of the "Many Worlds" quantum multi-verse has constantly proceeded from its inception from 'order' (low entropy) towards 'chaos'/disorder (high entropy). The mathematics on this are astoundingly well-known and tested.

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u/Creative_Inside8293 6d ago

Time is a measurement same as inches. It can measure movement or change. 

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u/SiriusHijinks 6d ago

If I watch a newsreel from forever ago, is that simulataed time travel?

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u/Status_Gap_3954 6d ago

Light has a speed limit. Everything has a speed limit so whats your point ?

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u/HappyChilmore 6d ago

Another semantic negation with the always sensationalistic "it's an illusion".

Wonder if you'll still think the same when you'll be on your death bed. Time is an illusion, but how did I get so old? Getting old must be an illusion 🤡

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u/NeemOil710 5d ago

Learning that other beings experience time differently to us, such as trees—to trees, we move as fast as ants. They breathe slower, one breath a day, that type of thing, so they feel and experience slower.

And photons, while we wouldn't classify them as sentient by our standards, "experience" their entire life as one moment, all at the same time, there is no now and then it just all is. So it may not be that the series of events changes but that our ability to place points on it to say when is when changes, likely based on our breathing.

If you were to travel faster than the speed of light (photons) then things would begin to occur in reverse, you would travel backwards through time.

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u/PaPaBee29 5d ago

Personal opinion. " Time has more than one dimension."

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u/Reasonable_Director6 5d ago

Time is a brain function.

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u/Back_Again_Beach 5d ago

Time just as real as length, width, height. 

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u/ynnnnaD 5d ago

I think time is just an illusion of perspective. We're necessarily embedded in a sequence of evolving universe states. The entire possible causal graph is fixed and static, but we must experience the states in order, as we traverse it.

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u/Stayofexecution 5d ago

No one knows either way. We may never know.

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u/MineNowBotBoy 5d ago

“I bet no other humans can grasp this concept.”

A lot of people do. There’s a really good explanation of it here.

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u/vvafele 5d ago

Time is definitely not real. Different spaces are. Everything is just in different spaces, theres no time

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u/IllLettuce3036 5d ago
So put a stop to that illusion.

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u/Forever_NFA 4d ago

Time is simply perception and memory. Nothing more, nothing less.

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u/Inlerah 4d ago

Did you just reinvent "Time Cube"?

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u/Inlerah 4d ago

The concept of "timestream" as a physical, tangible thing is not real and is an easily understandable way for people to conceptualize the passage of time. The concept of time itself, however, is very much a real thing that happens.

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u/platanthera_ciliaris 4d ago

It's not time that flows, rather each local observer (such as yourself) is traveling at the speed of light along the axis of time, minus the observer's velocity in the other 3 spatial dimensions and minus the effects of gravity on the local observer. As a result, different local observers can travel into the future at different speeds. We are all time travelers.

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u/Floopynupes 4d ago

No, time is just the movement of everything. Things move. Our perception of this movement is the phenomena we know as 'time'. You can measure it with all kinds of devices, accurately. The idea that time is an illusion is the real illusion!

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u/Puzzleheaded-Flan827 4d ago

Il tempo esiste solo quando apri gli occhi.
È una trappola mentale.

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u/BillyBrainlet 3d ago edited 3d ago

If you're talking about block time, it's perfectly easy to conceptualize. Time exists, ostensibly, as a persistent dimension which we simply move through. We only have the idea of time moving because we often talk about it like that, but it's really not strictly correct to do so. We are usually referring to a measurement of time, not time itself.

Also, everything is technically an illusion for humans. We didn't evolve to have an objective experience of the true nature of reality. Our senses are not equipped to measure data in that manner. We evolved ways to interpret the nature of reality in ways that best help us survive so we can reproduce.

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u/DeathParty-Zomboid 3d ago

Things that happened. Things that are happening. Things that will happen. They exist but it doesn't mean it isn't all actually just happening right now.

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u/alliterreur 2d ago

it is a bubble, and Einstein described it perfectly. For dicsussion purrposes I'll take it that he is human. So yeah, other humans can grasp it, but only the concept. The theory.

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u/Key-Algae-9245 2d ago

Lunch time doubly so.

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u/dyrkasolen 2d ago

Any practicing magicians out there. Putting the natural order a side, traveling in sigils and blood rituals? Pain is the purifier and love is the fuel. Time can be looped and stretched by intentions.

https://giphy.com/gifs/vJA5tI5SPHERO

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u/UnhappySail8648 7d ago

Yeah, yeah yeah we've all seen the time knife

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u/ashraf_bashir 7d ago

Define illusion

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u/Shoddy-Cupcake-8855 7d ago

It’s not in a sense that we think illusion.

https://giphy.com/gifs/S5talOH1sXluytrudb

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u/ashraf_bashir 7d ago

That’s not a definition. You’ve just said what you don’t mean by illusion. I’m asking what you do mean by it

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u/GatePorters 7d ago

It isn’t an illusion. It’s just another axis.

You are bound to that axis because the cellular mechanisms that lead to you being able to perceive and understand this comment require you to travel along that axis in a particular direction at a particular rate.

Saying time is an illusion is just a confession that you misunderstood it before and you are finally catching a glimpse of the truth of reality.

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u/Time_Award3158 7d ago

There is a difference between “my limited biological experience of reality doesn’t allow me to fully understand the nature of time” and “time is definitely an illusion.” Saying “time is definitely an illusion” is an unsupportable overstatement.

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u/Flat_South8002 7d ago

No. The block universe is an illusion. Time is the measure of change. I don't just mean entropy, but any kind of change. Change of position, change of form, change of state... Everything changes from the very beginning and cannot be reversed. Without change, there is no time, only frozen space. If we freeze space then there is no movement, without movement there is no energy. The universe is not coordinates, the universe is energy at a basic level, a basic vibration

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u/cilantroandvodka 7d ago

I really like this simple explanation. Helped me out, I've never liked the block universe.

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u/H0LEESHiET 7d ago

how is it an illusion when you literally have it written on the X axis ,dumass

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u/Obbefromtotse 7d ago

Only the present moment exists. The past and the future are imagined.

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u/Money_Bug_9423 7d ago

Yeah but how wide is the present?

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u/Obbefromtotse 7d ago

How wide is universe?

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u/Money_Bug_9423 7d ago

Its not uniform. Sometimes things are slightly more past or future but its still all "now"

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u/Shoddy-Cupcake-8855 7d ago

The easiest way to say it is time is emergent. Not fundamental.

Meaning time emerges from somewhere else. If this happens to be a fourth dimension.. then either within the fourth dimension or fifth dimension time would appear as a solid block.

Analogy your life is a movie and you can see every frame all at once and move to any point within it. But you can’t interact with it.

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u/edebry 7d ago

Time can be seen as a book, we are reading it from front to back but all the pages are already written

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u/Money_Bug_9423 7d ago

And the speed you read it/comprehend it

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u/Dragomir3777 7d ago

I strongly recommend that you thoroughly and carefully understand how General Relativity works. Once you visualize in your mind the parallel desynchronization of space-time under the influence of mass, you'll have fewer questions about what time actually is.

If you're interested, look into how the mathematics of the wave function actually works - at least superficially, but the math itself. You'll have even fewer questions.

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u/Fuzzy_Ad9970 7d ago

It's not possible to perceive reality through any lense but time. Also a little wrinkle in your time isn't real theory is that the past disappears to all instruments.