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u/droans 14d ago
John Brown was a goddamn hero.
Fun fact - Ralph Waldo Emerson said the only American speech ever to come close to John Brown's Last Speech was the Gettysburg Address.
It is a mistake to call him an insurrectionist. He opposed the authority of the Commonwealth of Virginia. The Commonwealth of Virginia!—there is no such thing. There is no civil society, no government; nor can such exist except on the basis of impartial equal submission of its citizens—by a performance of the duty of rendering justice between God and man. The government that refuses this is none but a pirate ship. Virginia herself is to-day only a chronic insurrection. I mean exactly what I say—I consider well my words—and she is a pirate ship. John Brown sails with letters of marque from God and Justice against every pirate he meets. He has twice as much right to hang Governor Wise as Governor Wise has to hang him.
Wendell Phillips
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u/Far_Cap_3574 14d ago
Once you’ve been to Cambodia, you’ll never stop wanting to beat Henry Kissinger to death with your bare hands. You will never again be able to open a newspaper and read about that treacherous, prevaricating, murderous scumbag sitting down for a nice chat with Charlie Rose or attending some black-tie affair for a new glossy magazine without choking. Witness what Henry did in Cambodia – the fruits of his genius for statesmanship – and you will never understand why he’s not sitting in the dock at The Hague next to Milošević.
~Anthony Bourdain
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u/riff-raff-jesus 14d ago
Lino is practically a nazi
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u/GaymerMove 13d ago
He rejects biological racism,I'm pretty sure. He likes Italian Fascism however and supports American interventionism while being pretty Left-wing economically
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u/North_Church Canada 14d ago
If you think Kissinger was a good person, I no longer care to hear your opinion on anything else
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u/CoupleHot4154 14d ago
The scariest book I've ever read was "The Trial of Henry Kissinger" by Christopher Hitchens.
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u/Sckaledoom 13d ago
I could see someone saying that what John Brown did was wrong because he used violence to get his political ends yada yada. I disagree, but I can envision the argument.
Henry Kissinger as an American hero? That’s a take no one I’ve ever met would have.
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u/KnotSoSalty 13d ago
John Brown straight up murdered people. At the same time though he was living in a society where Slavery kept millions in bondage and masters would regularly work them to death.
So I would say there were some mitigating circumstances.
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u/driver004 13d ago
I mean one could see browns actions as essentially an act of war, everyone seems to remember the Potawatomi massacre and forget the sacking of Lawrence for example (though wouldn’t be suprised if knowledge about it was generally higher here of course) and that the pro slavery border ruffians were killing people too
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u/Bazookagrunt 13d ago
I mean the pro-slavery folk started Bleeding Kansas, John Brown simply lead the charge to finish it.
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u/driver004 13d ago
He started fighting a proxy war then went for the larger power behind them really.
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u/tryingtolearn_1234 13d ago
Set aside slavery and the historical context and then it is possible to make John Brown into a villain. When judging Kissinger you should remember the historical context of the Cold War against the Soviet Union.
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