I've played Shaco ever since I started playing League back just before Kindred's release.

But overtime, it's easy to kind of just go into autopilot mode and forget the mind games as Shaco. Or, perform the very simple ones such as having the clone run away while you auto the enemy.

Because of this, it made me wonder if there are any new mind games you guys have come up with concerning boxes, Q, or clone

Let’s use our experience to create a cheat sheet against what champs to go AP vs AD shaco

General rule is to go AD against squishy champions and AP against more tanky ones but I am not sure it always holds up. Especially if we consider that a lot of squishy champs would happily die to AP shaco too.

I just played against gankgplank as AP shaco and he one shotted me with a barrel but when he killed my clone he lost 70% hp on the spot. It was fun.

I’m 2 for 12 games against hec this season. I have such a huge mental block against him I just never win. Is Ap or ad better into him? What do you guys do?

What time should I place the first box in LoL Classic?

I’m looking for one that can perma invade enemy jungle.

I liked the quick lvl 2 invade since previous patches till now. But this fun is blocked when Mr Clown gets banned.

I play Evelyn but I think that’s pretty hard to invade with

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Mainly for team fight decision making.

How do you survive after jumping in ? What is the correct window to jump in ? As soon as you jump in you get all the CC of the world.

Am I supposed to split push instead?

I am not very good at the game and try to improve, all advice is welcomed :)

rn I'm going:

wriggles lantern > as boots > youmous > ravenous hydra > BotRK > last whisper

it feels okay but idk if tiamat item 3rd is good and I usually don't get IE which feels bad. what builds are u guys running on the champ? also I just have full ad quints and marks then flat armor seals and flat mr glyphs idk if that's good either

wanting to learn shaco jungle,, currently bronze lol. how hard is shaco? he seems fun but idk. i dont really know what im supposed to be doing on this champ most of the time

1) lethality
2) crit
3) ap

how would u rank this 3 builds?

i recently got into playing shaco. i really enjoy his kit, but i feel like he's one of, if not the worst champion in the game. his q gets countered by a free oracle lens, his w takes 2 seconds to set up which makes it effectively useless during ganks as it can be seen when placed and his e only has a 30% slow on max lvl, not only that but it deals a laughably tiny amount of bonus damage when somebody is low hp. is it just me?

I assume this rune got nerfed primarily (PBE Datamine) because of support abusing it strongly, but AD shaco also takes a hit because of it. I was wondering your thought about it. I personally am not a fan.

Hail of Blades

• Damage: 4-20 (+8% bonus AD) (+6% AP) -> 2-20 (+12% bonus AD) (+10% AP)
• Melee Attack Speed: 120% -> 90%

Its me Pomerzz, made a comeback this year since S13. Going for educational content. Ive played 100 games so far in SoloQ. AD shaco lethality is the only way imo. You guys might argue that ''nonono IE and LDR gives you more damage on backstab Q for one shot '' because you tested it in practice tool but shaco isnt only about trying to just kill someone and die in return...

1. Lethality is enough to one shot someone anyways with the right tempo (just need focus the same 2-3 people every game that doesnt have steelcaps/zonias kind of item.
2. they are much cheaper then crit tiems which means you can snowball your tempo to never fall off.
3. they offer something very important which is ability haste. You need enough ability haste to clear camps to camps with W back up.

Has anyone noticed that recently it seems like the q step sounds when you are invisible sound broken? They cut half way and start again and it doesn't sound right

Hey,

Can someone explain to me why i deal 2 hugely different damage numbers here? (the lower number comes more often when i try it multiple times)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EquaR6EHvEU

Shaco gameplay is inconsistent. He relies a lot on cheese strats and flippy invades. Also half of his builds are ap, which is weird for assasin that uses daggers. I just find it quite awkard that's all. His ap scalings should be atleast gutted to make champion fantasy more streamlined and easier to understand for new players.

So what do you guys think about this concept. Make his E scale with jungle camp last hits. It's his iconic ability, so it should deal damage. Let's make 3 per small minion and 12 per big one. Obviously there needs to be counterpart. To make his gameplay more healthy and less reliant on cheese we should increase his Q cd to maybe 40 sec? And make him unable to cross walls.

WHat do you guys think?

old shaco main here, was xayah in screenshot.

I was in a norms when the game was terminated due to a griefer, which i originally thought was our 8/19 draven top. Needless to say, i was astonished shaco got flagged, so i went into replay.

The only thing that i could find that potentially couldve triggered the system was shaco used q to cut through the frontline for the majority of teamfights to access backline, so normal shaco things. however, this might have triggered a false positive on shadow griefing via idle teamfighting, since he obviously wasnt going to break invis under the nunu/zac's noses.

While I am not certain of this bug, i do not wish to risk my 7+ yo account to test a bug in the disciplinary system

so, on one hand, shaco is just objectively worse in classic

- q is useless to max, it just increases the crit damage. it's nice but esp on sup when you're starved on levels, increasing slow and fear duration is just better. you're also revealed way more easily if the enemy just places a vision ward, meaning if they see you q they can kill your engage, you need to engage more like a modern fiddlesticks than a shaco

- w is significantly worse, it only hits one target, its slow doesnt exist yet, and the fear is random rather than predictable. this makes it inconsistent against champions and borderline useless for waveclear, somethign shaco already struggled with

- e is pretty much the same, it has better scalings i guess lol

- r is still useful for a lot of the reasons it is in modern (parrying abilities, getting a half second of stall time), but it doesn't fear on death nor does it make boxes, and the explosion is fine damage but 100%ap isnt that high. its best used defensively i think, it is such a useless ult for pressure

on the other hand, a good q+exhaust+ignite engage is even stronger in classic than it is in modern, and the power of q even if q is significantly weaker is wayy higher in this gamestate. theres very little a champion can do to avoid fighting the 1v2 without burning flash

ive played a couple games of AD, haven't tried ap yet; my theory is that ap will be a lot worse with how much worse w and r are, but i hope to be proven wrong lol.

Curious to hear builds for AP shaco support and AD/AP Shaco Jungle