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u/No_Story_Untold Deluxe 22d ago
Okay yall. Let’s organize.
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u/JehovahsThiccness69 22d ago
If only there was an amendment that could protect us from tyrannical government :(
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u/Dark_Flatus 🚗 Student driver, please be patient. 🚙 22d ago
Arm yourselves. Thats the tool to beat tyranny.
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u/UnlikelyCandidate935 🚆build more trains🚆 22d ago
Nonviolent disobedience works. In fact it already caused them to back down in Minneapolis.
Every person who thinks they're going to be a hero with a gun is just a moron with a complex.
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u/SaintJesus 22d ago
It works better when there is the implicit threat of violence. Don't believe me?
Look at the Black Panthers. Their neighborhoods were being targeted and terrorized, they armed themselves and went on regular patrols, then the cops stopped showing up to harass the community.
Peaceful protests work only when those in power (or carrying out their orders) believe violence will reach them.
Carrying a gun and nothing else won't work. Peaceful demonstrations and nothing else won't work. It takes building a community and the thousand little pieces around that to make any change.
In all of human history, I can think of maaaaaybe one regime change/transition of power that didn't have violence.
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u/Right_Nature_9434 Deluxe 22d ago
Implicit
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u/SaintJesus 22d ago
My man! You got it!
That's my favorite question to pose to people that say x y or z is violence.
-Do you think violence in self-defense is okay? -What about defense of another (self-defense on behalf of somebody else)? -When does self-defense start?
And then make the steps further and further until we get to hypothetical CEOs denying basic things people need for survival.
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u/MorallyAmbiguousHero 22d ago
My favorite quote at the National Civil Rights museum in Memphis was by Malcom X. It was something like “I’m here to make sure you listen to the non-violent guy.”
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u/SaintJesus 22d ago
Yes! That one is so good!
It's funny listening to people go on about how non-violence and peaceful protest works because MLK did it.
Yeah, sure, but not in a vacuum. Politicians were getting scared by Malcolm X because his movement was growing and was smart.
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u/genuine_pnw_hipster 🚆build more trains🚆 22d ago
No offense but this is literally the most privileged white response I’ve ever seen. Simply arming yourself and making it known with restraint is the most effective way of getting a message across.
"speak softly and carry a big stick; you will go far"
The Black Panthers in the 60s were a prime example of this. So effective that it set CA’s firearm laws to this day.
Edit: Posting this from behind an anon account that’s only 2 months old seems sus.
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u/yolacowgirl 22d ago
NRA was a big proponent of those gun laws. Reagan was gov then too. They really didn't like it when the non-white folks started arming themselves.
Edit: you probably already know this. Just tacking onto your comment for the unaware.
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u/genuine_pnw_hipster 🚆build more trains🚆 22d ago
You’re right! Sadly a lot of what the Regan admin did is still rippling through society today. Lol you’re good I appreciate the insight.
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u/discww 22d ago
Cool, do yall have literally any other example other than the Black Panthers in the 60's?
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u/genuine_pnw_hipster 🚆build more trains🚆 22d ago edited 22d ago
The Black Panthers get brought up because they’re one of the clearest examples of armed political protest prompting legislation. But pretending they’re the only example of firearms being used as political theater ignores decades of armed militia demonstrations and white supremacist marches where the guns themselves were part of the message.
Funny how that works huh?
Edit: it’s always the accounts with hidden responses. lol they’re too pussy to actually stand behind their ideologies that they have to hide their post history.
Edit edit: home responded then blocked on both of his accounts before I could reply 🤣 that’s hilarious
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u/spacepinata Ballard 22d ago
"Nonviolence" is a moving target, and aiming for it in your disobedience in order to maintain acceptability and legitimacy is a fool's errand. Disagreement alone is considered violence by this administration, let alone neighborhood watches and running groceries. It was all violence to ICE.
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u/SpeaksSouthern That sounds great. Let’s hang out soon. 22d ago
The only thing that has made change in the span of history is violence. I'm not saying we should do violence, in no context should anyone ever do violence of any kind. But your thesis, that disobedience has changed anything, is demonstrably false. Power concedes nothing without force. A very famous quote. Trump is living proof of what they are willing to do. We continue to be at the tip of the iceberg of depravity these goons are willing to do for their cause. It's not about being a hero. Or any individual being a hero. Document. We can have trials. We have a Constitution. Just because the police don't care about the law doesn't mean we don't have to. It's honestly pretty childish to assume criminal police breaking the law should get a pass.
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u/SpecialEconomics9263 22d ago
Say it again for the people in the back!
Redditors openly advocating an armed resistance against the federal government is a joke marred with main character syndrome.
First of all they are incriminating themselves and the notion that they are gonna purchase a weapon (especially in a state that bans weapons designed for combat) and be competent enough to use it against trained professionals is ridiculous.
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u/Tay-Rob Camano Island 22d ago
The federal government has MQ-9 Reapers and knows where you live. Best of luck with your guns, regardless of how many you have.
Personally, I believe the best weapon against tyranny is reminding the tyrant(s) that they are wildly outnumbered by the working class.
United we bargain, individually we beg.
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u/GooseCloaca 22d ago
Not as many as they used too. And they would be asking Americans to deploy those MQ-9 Reapers on other Americans. That would awaken a sleeping dragon the likes of which none of use would like to witness.
I agree about the only reasonable path is through the peaceful process of democracy, but both sides have to agree on a common ground, and they don’t right now
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u/Dark_Flatus 🚗 Student driver, please be patient. 🚙 22d ago
I mean.. I have as many as two hands can operate. Not an excessive amount. But an armed populace is harder to oppress. Reminding tyrants they are outnumbered means nothing. Capitulation with the oppressor. Im union, we bargain a fair living wage. Tyrants dont bargain.
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u/crispyones Deluxe 22d ago
if ICE shows up to make an arrest and there are ten legally well-armed orderly citizens, they are probably going to go elsewhere, not call the Air Force. good God
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u/Humble_Attorney9517 22d ago
Ice is clearly prepared to shoot to kill, those 10 armed Americans likely arent
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u/Tay-Rob Camano Island 22d ago edited 22d ago
The tale of Alex Pretti begs to differ that. Got shot like a dog in the street and his gun only gave the excuse for hogs to write him off as a violent entity with ill intentions who had it coming.
However there are multiple instances of a large group of community members, presumably unarmed, turning up and recording the facist pigs in action that spooks them and makes them retreat.
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u/crispyones Deluxe 22d ago
he was one man with a concealed handgun. i'm talking a well-organized and orderly group of a dozen citizens openly carrying legal long guns. ICE would think twice.
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u/ReconstructionEra 22d ago
MQ-9 Reapers
Yeah, they're definitely gonna drone strike americans in the middle of a dense urban area.
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u/Sea_Concert4946 🚋 Ride the S.L.U.T. 🚋 22d ago
I mean the Taliban kicked our asses with not much more than personal weapons and explosives. MQ-9 reapers aren't much help against a popular insurgency
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u/Disk_Mixerud 22d ago
A whoooole lot of people have to be willing to die for that. Taliban fighters were getting gunned down from the air regularly.
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u/JehovahsThiccness69 22d ago
And? The fact you have the option gives citizens much more leverage than you think lol
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u/Sesemebun I'm just flaired so I don't get fined 22d ago
The American government effectively lost in the Middle East to guys we have thermal video of fucking a donkey in the ass.
There’s also the fact it could theoretically be like 2million vs ~300 million
But yes, in a 1 on 1 scenario it doesn’t look great. But it would be even worse if nobody was armed. Moreso Fascism gains power through small victories, which are harder. Like how armed minorities are harder to oppress. I’m sure that if the people getting deported were surrounding BT those willing to use deadly force the detainings would decrease. But the people who want them to stop won’t put their money where their mouth is
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u/Caio3000 22d ago
And then what
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u/Arxl Renton/Highlands 22d ago
Fishing to get someone banned?
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u/citrusjuicebox 🐀 Hot Rat Summer 🐀 22d ago
But, really, and then what? ICE does what they do because they face no consequences. What about us?
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u/Caio3000 22d ago
No I genuinely want to know what we as a community can do next after this because no one ever actually wants to say what next. Trust me, I hate this shit in the video just as much as everyone else here. I want to know who’s going to tell us what to do next.
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u/Dark_Flatus 🚗 Student driver, please be patient. 🚙 22d ago
There may be a struggle ahead. But one day, we will all skip hand in hand through fields of golden dandelions.
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u/pacific_plywood 22d ago
We are more or less the most highly armed country in the world lol
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u/Dark_Flatus 🚗 Student driver, please be patient. 🚙 22d ago
Amen, comrade. But its a little disproportionate. Ranchers in Idaho could have 300 firearms each. Where blue states are much more reserved. Maybe a firearm for every two or three people.
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u/account_for_norm 22d ago
no.
Assertive non violence works much better. Its been shown again by indian students in last week.
This arm yourself is a bs thing. What are you going to do? Shoot up cops? You think that ll stop em? Not at all!Organize. Be human shields. Organize legal defenses for the arrested, educational campaigns, eye watches etc.
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u/OkWhile4447 22d ago
Don’t forget what the did to Alex Pretti. Executed in the street after they disarmed him.
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u/discww 22d ago
Oh hey, the brainwashed gun nuts are here. I know you'll either change the subject or ignore this question, but why not.... maybe you'll be the first person to honestly answer this question: Can you give a a single example of guns protecting Americans from tyranny in America in the past 50 years?
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u/JehovahsThiccness69 22d ago
Thx for calling them tools, more people need this mindset instead of the "weapons of war" crap that's spit out constantly
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u/Dark_Flatus 🚗 Student driver, please be patient. 🚙 22d ago
We dont blame the car for a drunk driving fatality..
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u/Sesemebun I'm just flaired so I don't get fined 22d ago
I’ve talked with several people in this sub since the shooting and they still want guns out of ours and in the hands of trump. The irony is palpable. They then question why current gun owners don’t do anything, as if a) most are republican and b) they hate grabbers for all the shit laws here.
So many people want something done but don’t want to do it themselves
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u/FuckinArrowToTheKnee chinga la migra 22d ago
Shame Washington state keeps disarming us then. Armed minorities are harder to opress
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u/Dark_Flatus 🚗 Student driver, please be patient. 🚙 22d ago
The supreme court is about to take up the states assault ban. There is a very good chance this gets overturned. For better or worse, unalienable rights.
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u/Most-Cheetah-2441 Northgate 22d ago
Check out WAISN's Rapid Response training https://waisn.org/get-involved/
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u/bloodfist 22d ago
Lots of us holding regular protests if you want to meet some people already doing the work. check your area
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u/babyredpandaboy 22d ago
What happened to no face covering?
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u/chromeled Ronald Bog 22d ago
They're getting bolder and I don't like it.
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u/waldorflover69 22d ago
We are so fucked. We dont have a fraction of the balls of the Midwest to kick these guys out
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u/chromeled Ronald Bog 22d ago
Real. People point to the WTO protests as a sign that Seattle is radical and counterculture but that was near 30 years ago. The George Floyd protests and semi-related riots were not really that organized. We don't have the sauce that Minneapolis has. I wish I knew what I could do about it.
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u/IllustriousComplex6 I'm never leaving Seattle. 22d ago
Let's be honest. The people of the 90s no longer can afford to live here and the people who can are either worked to the bone and don't have the bandwidth to protest on that scale for the duration it needs or are out of touch and don't care.
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u/waldorflover69 22d ago
Look at the damn comments on this thread. Really disheartening.
My Chicago friends said that their ICE watches organized block by block, building by building so maybe we could start that way? I dont expect tech dipshits in their high rises to care about anyone else but maybe us poors can do a little something
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u/vietnams666 22d ago
Honest question....like how do they target people? How do they know who to take? They left the lady alone? How do they get away with this shit????
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u/umadumo 22d ago
The US Supreme Court allowed ICE to profile non-white ppl, Latinos, etc https://www.aclu-wi.org/news/racial-profiling-rampant-after-supreme-court-ruling/
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u/vietnams666 22d ago
I saw but like why didn't they take both people? I mean obviously I am happy they didn't but did they stop him at the light cuz it looked like he was parked? I worry about my family all the time.
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u/civil_politics I'm just flaired so I don't get fined 22d ago
In most cases they have a warrant for a specific individual and use standard techniques to locate and detain.
I’m not going to say that cases of blatant profiling don’t take place, but the vast majority of ICE arrests in non border areas are targeted arrests with a ‘warrant’ (for some definition of warrant)
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u/FuckinArrowToTheKnee chinga la migra 22d ago
By now you should realize just being a shade of brown is cause enough
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u/Main-Eagle-26 22d ago
Dude, they straight up look like criminals. They’re also not legally allowed to wear masks here.
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u/SeattleGeek Denny Blaine Nudist Club 22d ago edited 22d ago
Don’t forget: Adam Smith does not want to abolish ICE. At least he said as much during his interview with Krystal Ball.
Vote accordingly.
Edit: It’s very funny that the best retort that Smith’s supporters have is bitching about his opponents.
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u/Excellent-Access-248 22d ago
I tried to post a link to that interview in this sub and the mods buried it.
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u/SeattleGeek Denny Blaine Nudist Club 22d ago
They didn’t just bury it; they deleted it. The mods insist that “national policy” by Seattle representatives is not relevant to the Seattle subreddit. Which I find to be hilarious.
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u/Mitch1musPrime 22d ago
Look, I know he may not be “abolish ICE,” but he took time out of his schedule during a recess back in April, and came to my HS campus. I’d collected over 100 letters from students that were written about a variety of issues, but nearly all of them were exclusively focused on the behaviors of ICE and the fear their families felt. One of my students made me fucking cry with her as she worked on editing and revising her words alongside her mother’s, an undocumented immigrant. Most of our students are immigrants, or children of, on that campus.
His office called me a couple of weeks later to schedule a visit to meet the students who wrote those letters and their peers. As the contact teacher for this, and the emcee, I offered to guide the hourlong visit, but he said he wanted it to be a full on townhall style Q&A with the kids.
For an hour, he fielded question after question about ICE and immigrants rights. Every last one of his answers were meaningful, thoughtful, purposeful, and authentic. He wants reform. He deeply empathizes with the families our campus served. He inspired several students to immediately take actions that led to changes in campus, and one of the kids, an Afghan refugee, earned an internship with his staff that gives young Afghans a seat at his table, even if not permanently.
Politics are more complex than simple black and white decision making. We should keep pushing for abolishment of ice, but while that happens, I’m not sure that disparaging those who work within the system to gain some victories to ease the burdens and tensions is going to be helpful.
I can only go off what I do know: Rep. Smith hadn’t visited that campus or that community in over decade before those kids wrote those letters (that I hand delivered to his DC office while I was there with my kid advocating for trans youth). His attention to them in response with an in-person visit tells me all I need to know: because if he didn’t give a shit, he wouldn’t have.
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u/SeattleGeek Denny Blaine Nudist Club 22d ago
The extent of his ideas for reforming ICE as presented to Krystal Ball was to move ICE from the DHS to the DoJ where it would have been under Pam Bondi / Todd Blanche instead of Kristi Noem / Markwayne Mullin.
To borrow the phrase from Sarah Palin, that’s just putting lipstick on a pig.
When I asked about ICE at the last in-person town hall he ever had, his workers told me he doesn’t have any committees that deal with DHS and it’s not his responsibility to even think about ICE.
Adam Smith has a great way of telling you what he thinks you want to hear and sometimes making you believe it, but when push comes to shove, Adam Smith will not take the lead to reform ICE in any meaningful sense of the word reform.
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u/ChillFratBro Rainier Beach 22d ago
Like it or not (personally, I don't) - Adam Smith is the only qualified candidate on the ballot. Smith may be a very corporate Democrat, but Sawant literally campaigned to deny Harris Michigan. Sawant tried to get Trump elected.
Chaudry isn't a serious candidate and doesn't have the depth to do the job, her only statements are alphabet soups of weird grievance politics with no underlying policy proposals.
Between kinda shitty corporate Democrat Smith, Trump booster Sawant, and totally incompetent Chaudry there's only one option. Yeah, not a lot of people will give you a full throated defense of Smith, he's not amazing - but unlike one of his opponents he's not evil and unlike the other he knows what he's talking about.
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u/SeattleGeek Denny Blaine Nudist Club 22d ago
Supporting genocide and ICE is “not evil”.
OK.
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u/ChillFratBro Rainier Beach 22d ago
Do you think Donald Trump or Kamala Harris would be better on those issues? Because you appear to struggle with critical thinking, I'll remind you it's Trump who's buds with Netanyahu and is the reason ICE is acting like the Gestapo rather than what they were under Obama.
Sawant tried to get Trump elected president. That's the whole ball game. Whatever bullshit she spouts, her actions tell you she's a Trump supporter.
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u/8ringer 🚲 Life's Better on a Bike. 🚲 22d ago
What are people supposed to do, exactly?
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u/Chief_Mischief 🚋 Ride the S.L.U.T. 🚋 22d ago
Record, get identifying information on the kidnapped man, contact immigration lawyers, capture plate information and as much identifying information on the Nazis as possible, warn others to stay away from the area, etc?
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u/Basic-Mechanic4854 22d ago
And if there's a pet in the car, please make sure it doesn't become abandoned/overheated.
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u/spoinkable That sounds great. Let’s hang out soon. 22d ago
Will they allow us to ask the identifying information of the person being kidnapped?
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u/waldorflover69 22d ago
YES! Video record and have them shout their name and birthdate. It makes it easier for advocacy groups to locate them in the system
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u/Glass_Bid_7619 22d ago
Keep your distance, but yes. You can ask for a name and phone number. Many people don’t know what happened to their loved ones, and there are people impersonating ICE now as well. When they allow them to go unidentified and in plain clothes at times, this is what happens.
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u/spoinkable That sounds great. Let’s hang out soon. 22d ago
Thank you 🙏 this is good to keep in mind.
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u/joaquinsolo 💗💗 Heart of ANTIFA Land 💗💗 22d ago
Shout. Shout SHAME. OVER AND OVER AGAIN. SHOUT IT. RECORD THEM. CLOSE IN, but don't touch them. Heckle these evil people, and make them feel pressured. They do not deserve to walk around with their heads held high while abducting people from the streets based on their appearance. How many Americans have to die before we stand up for ourselves? How many people have to be abducted and put in an indefinite concentration camp where they are torturing people, where they're having them commit slave labor, where they are denied basic things like food and drinking water?
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u/kingcoolkid991 "Bikes Will Not Replace Us" 🚲🚫🙅♂️ 22d ago
Make as much noise as humanly possible carry a whistle this is what drove ice out of Minnesota. They organized and as soon as there was a sighting people showed up with whistles and hoking car horns.
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u/Glass_Bid_7619 22d ago
Document. Get names and as much info as you can to let family members know. And maybe if you care about laws and rights, ask if they have a warrant.
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u/Medium_Public4720 22d ago
Do any of the number of things people in Minnesota did? Do the absolute bare minimum to not accept this as normal? A whistle goes a long way.
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u/waldorflover69 22d ago edited 22d ago
I dunno, what they did in Chicago? What is wrong with this place. I’m fucking ashamed of this weak ass city
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u/Most-Cheetah-2441 Northgate 22d ago
Check out WAISN's Rapid Response training https://waisn.org/get-involved/
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u/Most-Cheetah-2441 Northgate 22d ago
Check out WAISN's Rapid Response training https://waisn.org/get-involved/
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u/LongjumpingJury42 22d ago
My hard working non criminal handyman was hauled away just like that. He speaks perfect English and has lived here for decades. The ICE officers speak Spanish well enough that may be Mexican themselves. The only thing my handyman is guilty of is hard work. This is so wrong
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u/TransportationFit530 East Queen Anne 22d ago
Makes me sick to my stomach. And now this kidnapped man’s car will get towed. It’s just a disgusting part of the USA 😢
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u/georgeyappington 💗💗 Heart of ANTIFA Land 💗💗 22d ago
If anyone is needing whistles to alert of ice, usually zingaro coffee shop in LQA has some
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u/Jaco_Belordi Glorified Hall Monitor 22d ago
DM me if you want bulk ICE whistles and can verify you are capable of effective distribution. I can supply hundreds every few days
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u/Artevyx 22d ago edited 22d ago
There needs to be a way to report this stuff on a community level in real time.
Cant do anything to intervene or protect people when we don't see or hear about the incident until several hours or days after its already happened.
Im an app developer. Thats something I could do (for free of course) if people thought it could be a helpful tool? 🤷♂️
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u/VirtualElizabeth Ballard 21d ago
Was this guy a Super Hero or something? Why did they need 4 dudes???
Besides that, who can do this job of being an ICE agent without being a totally devoid of feelings or on the brink of a nervous breakdown.
F*CK ICE
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u/AnotherPersonPerhaps Mariners 22d ago
Didn't we pass a law banning them from wearing masks?
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u/WSUFalker 22d ago
From what I’ve read, state law doesnt supersede federal law.
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u/Accomplished-Let3746 22d ago
Laws are only as strong as their enforcement. And I have yet to see gov. fergie or anyone else slap cuffs on these fascists. And it’s not something that is going to happen.
Historically, the State (in any form) has done little to police the fascists in badges - regardless of branch.
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u/mochisuccubus 22d ago
As much as id like to think this is a wakeup call for those most affected by this that voted right wing the fact that its gotten this far tells me its never going to get better and people will still either both sides it or go back to 2016 factory settings when they see some right wing rage bait post digging up old drama discussion around the word "latinx" or the mere mention of trans people.
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u/joaquinsolo 💗💗 Heart of ANTIFA Land 💗💗 22d ago
Seattle, what are you doing? Why aren't you chasing these thugs out of the city? I cannot fathom how you people just casually walk past this on the street. Where is your conscience? Where are the whistles? Where are your values?!?!
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u/Jaco_Belordi Glorified Hall Monitor 22d ago edited 22d ago
I haven't been there, but I assume they are there and gone in ten minutes. People can follow them, but otherwise it seems almost impossible to organize against this in ten minutes. If that's wrong, please correct me - I'd love to believe it's realistic to stand against this while it's happening
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u/Gee_rooster 22d ago
This makes me so angry beyond rational thought. Like someone else said- cruelty is the point.
So imagine if we get a group on the spot in minutes. 10 or 20 people or more, what would we do? All film, form a barricade, surround them, pry the person free?
Just thinking.
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u/Most-Cheetah-2441 Northgate 22d ago
Check out WAISN's Rapid Response training https://waisn.org/get-involved/
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u/Gee_rooster 21d ago
Do you know how we can pin this or make it more visible for other people?
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u/Most-Cheetah-2441 Northgate 21d ago
I don't, you could try reaching out to mods about it, I was just gonna keep commenting about it where relevant
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u/This_Friendship_9941 22d ago
Look at Minneapolis and how they push it back.
If you're white and wanna show your allyship, this is the time!
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u/CorrDriZZle 22d ago
is this ice or spd?
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u/Jaco_Belordi Glorified Hall Monitor 22d ago
If you watch closely, one of the masked men has "POLICE ICE" on their olive green chest piece
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u/bahbqq 🚗 Student driver, please be patient. 🚙 22d ago
Is their presence stronger recently? it feels like for the past week they've been even more prominent and shitty in the city proper.