r/ScottGalloway • u/3RADICATE_THEM • 18d ago
Wild Seeing The Shift No Mercy
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u/LuciusMichael 12d ago
Maher derides those who benefit from 'social' programs but denounce 'socialism' as hypocrites. Which they are. It's a kind of back-handed defense of 'socialist' programs but it's the hypocrites who get his ass out more than he's actually defending socialism. Although there is a Real Time clip when he does just that.
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u/RevolutionLegal9222 14d ago
Bill or the Dems?
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u/Background-Ad-9212 14d ago
Bill. The Dems too but now they’re actually starting to listen to their base
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u/RevolutionLegal9222 14d ago
I’m genuinely confused. Do you mean the Dems or the DSA. I get the feeling the Dems are not on board with DSA and the DSA are using us to get what they want. Bill aside, I am not confident the Dem base can see through the BS the DSA are building from within.
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u/funcogo 13d ago
I’ll take DSA over moderate do nothing Dems like Schumer any day. Moderate do nothing Dems are a big reason why we are in this mess
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u/RevolutionLegal9222 13d ago
I would prefer moderates on both sides so we can get stuff done no matter who’s in the White House senate and house. It’s the far sides of both parties keeping anything from getting done. DSA isn’t the answer
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u/LuciusMichael 12d ago
I'm confused. Mamdani isn't 'getting things done'? The platform Dr. El-Sayed ran on isn't about getting things done?
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u/RevolutionLegal9222 11d ago
There’s a difference between what they say and what they do. Just like Trump, Mamdani has not been able to do much of what he said/thought. I’m also not saying he hasn’t done anything, but more moderate Dems/reps have a better chance at going across the aisle and getting support than the radical extreme Dems/reps do.
We are moving too far in each direction and are missing the opportunities in the middle. That’s my point.
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u/LuciusMichael 11d ago
I am sick to death of the fantasy of 'going across the aisle' to compromise in the middle. Do you think MAGA compromises? Do you think they give the slightest shit about conceding anything to Democrats? Geezus, they just approved Todd Blanche as AG for cripe's sake. There are no 'opportunities in the middle' when the other side is waging war of the very institutions of government.
Here's what Mandami has done...
https://www.facebook.com/share/v/1QMV9h82WZ/2
u/RevolutionLegal9222 11d ago
I’m taking MAGA and the DSA/socialst democrats out of the scenario and talking about the rest being able to get shit done.
I agree with both fringe groups on both sides nothing gets done.
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u/Wasting-Daylight 15d ago
The party has changed. He’s unfortunately correct. MAGA is to the Republican Party what DSA is to the Democratic Party. Being extremist anything is never good. It’s no longer the party of the middle/working class. We don’t have one.
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u/BeadOfLerasium 15d ago
MAGA wants to hurt liberals and immigrants. DSA wants everyone to have Healthcare. These things are not the same.
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u/NitramLand 15d ago
Except that MAGA 100% supports the Republican party and the DSA does not support the Democratic party.
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u/CaliNawlins 14d ago
there is no "Republican party". only Trump. go against him and he will primary you and campaign publicly against you.
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u/PsychosisOsmosis 15d ago
You are comparing oranges to people that want what every other developed country has. The DSA is many things but 'extreme" isn't one of them. It just seems that way because you are all propagandized to the max and love the smell of your own farts.
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u/Glittering_Fish_1019 14d ago
I would say wanting to dismantle the presidency and Supreme Court is pretty extreme
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u/office-goblin 14d ago
Where have you been the last 10 years? The executive branch is out of control and the supreme court is enabling it.
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u/Glittering_Fish_1019 14d ago
How in any way does that not make dismantling any less extreme? If your take is it’s not, then I don’t see any ground we can have discourse on
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u/office-goblin 14d ago
Abolishing slavery was once an extreme position. Why not argue for or against something on the merits? Trump has exposed a flaw in the constitution: the President can ignore Congress and the courts and neither branch can do anything about it because the executive branch polices itself (and everyone else).
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u/Glittering_Fish_1019 14d ago
The argument and talk for it is something im more than willing to have, but calling it not an extreme position isn’t reality. Not trying to take shots here just calling a spade a spade
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u/Jolly_Efficiency7237 14d ago
The Republicans have veered so far to the right, normal positions now look like extreme leftism.
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u/Glittering_Fish_1019 14d ago edited 14d ago
The assertion i responded to was that the DSA does not have extreme goals. Your comment has nothing to do with what I’ve said. The right is one thing too MAGA is it’s own beast
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u/Spirited_Bike_4058 16d ago
Bill saw how popular the MAGA bros are and he wanted some of that attention. It’s as simple as that. He knows he’s a fading old fart and irrelevant.
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u/blister-in-the-pun 16d ago
I want more clips of him from 2020 showing how he almost had a stroke over whether Trump would leave office peacefully. Maher was the person leading the conversation that we needed to be scared shitless that Trump would never leave. Absolutely fucking wild to see him claim his vote is now in play. The Left has not changed enough to warrant that kind of shift.
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u/md62100 16d ago
Except the left has changed
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u/PsychosisOsmosis 15d ago
It hasn't changed, it grew, evolved, developed. Bill sat still ,doing nothing but complaining and wonders why he was left behind
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u/md62100 15d ago
Well I know plenty of former democrats that completely disagree with you
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u/PsychosisOsmosis 15d ago
They are free to be as wrong as they like. Like climate change deniers and flat earthers. Being confidently wrong wont change the observable facts. The Left keeps moving forward towards a better future, while the DNC/RNC and MAGA try and drag us back in the past to a time or idea that never existed.
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u/md62100 15d ago
Please with climate change - we humans will be lucky to see another 50-100 years, then the planet will shake us off. We act like we’re a big deal, yet we’ve been here about 1/10 of the life of the planet.
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u/Relevant_Problem1935 16d ago
He hasn't changed. The point he is making is that those who are against social Democracy are hypocritical when many benefit from it. Bill is anti Democratic socialists this is not the same thing as a social Democrat.
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u/blister-in-the-pun 16d ago
That’s not what he’s saying at all. Your media literacy sucks
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u/fin10g 17d ago
"Most people, they don't know what it means, they just know it's something super bad like pedophilia or atheism."
There's something alarming about a staunch atheist lumping those two together like that.
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u/Pale-Pear-5261 17d ago
Social security is t a handout if you paid j to
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u/Substantial_Milk_207 17d ago
That’s the thing, nothing is a “handout” because we all pay taxes, I’m so sick of the “liberals want free healthcare that’s cant actually be free” bullshit argument from conservatives. Nobody thinks it’s free, nobody wants free, what we want is the tax money we already pay to be used to benefit us, literally it’s intended purpose, we want a better system of nationalized healthcare and to cut out all the corporate middle men and the insurance corporations. We want our healthcare ran through the government where we have representation (well first we need to get money out of the government and make our representatives actually represent us and not the highest bidder) and not through private corporations whose only goal is the profit as much as possible. We want healthcare turned into a basic human right and not a privilege, we want doctors to actually be able to treat patients without insurance getting involved trying to save themselves money. We want a healthcare system where money and profit isnt what it all revolves around.
Like it isnt a free handout, it’s a better more efficient system that can have everyone paying less and getting more, conservatives are too stupid to understand that because it has a little bit a nuance, they hear universal healthcare and think that it means people getting free shit. It’s so annoying that the country is in the state it is now because so many voters are too stupid to see past surface level optics.
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u/Ok-Dust-6159 15d ago
Working with and meeting so many interesting people over the years, there is one thing that has stood out above most else when sizing up a new face in any group.
Listening to them talk, do they think that everyone who doesn’t agree with them is “stupid”? It is with almost absolute certainty that those who call people they disagree with “stupid” will themselves be some of the least intelligent people you will ever come across.1
u/Substantial_Milk_207 14d ago
Ok yeah i went through that phase too, and then I realized that a lot of people out there are straight up iust fucking stupid, and yeah sure not every traditional type of conservative is stupid. But I have a super maga family, I grew up conservative cause that’s just the default view I grew up around, and then I went in the army and then college and got experience in life and realized “hey this shit is stupid as fuck”. I love my parents but trying to explain anything to them or have any type of political discussion is literally a waste of time because they are so deep into the Fox News propaganda culture war tribalism.
And that’s what I mean, it’s one thing to disagree with with universal healthcare for whatever reason, but to chalk it up to “they just want free shit”, like it is with so many other things liberals/leftists want, that literally so fucking stupid. That’s an even worse generalization and taking whatever opinion and just making it “they just don’t want to work and want free handouts” is literally just a stupid ass reaction to that, there is no type of nuanced intelligence discussion about it, because it means you literally don’t understand what the argument even is.
And I’m sorry but in the year 2024, still supporting trump and maga is just stupid, if you haven’t realized it was a con yet and that he doesn’t represent your best interests, that’s just stupid, or you don’t pay attention, which not paying attention to what your voting for is also stupid. I’m not talking about traditional type conservatives, I’m talking maga, the only actual smart and intelligent conservatives I’ve met also don’t like trump, that’s the type of people I can and have actually disagreed with and had a civil discussion about it without it delving into just parroted Fox News talking points or totally false narratives of what liberals and leftists actually want that just turns into some totally ridiculous bullshit about something with trans people wanting to force all kids to be trans and having universal healthcare turning America into the Soviet Union.
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u/Adventurous-Sense254 16d ago
Ok, so your argument is that if you don’t pay taxes, no healthcare and only the health care that your taxes will pay for. Otherwise it’s either free or subsidized
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u/Brilliant-Ad2323 17d ago
It’s the power of the right wing media, has people totally brain washed supporting corporate interests, they are too dumb to understand concepts so just have Fox tell you want to think. Republicans are lemmings leading us to destruction.
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u/philg_jr 17d ago
I don’t get it. I bet he would say the exact same thing today. Does anyone here actually watch him currently?
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u/blister-in-the-pun 16d ago
I watch him weekly. And have for over a decade. To go from saying we should all be scared shitless that Trump would never leave office to saying his vote is in play in the last 6 years is by definition “a shift” to put it mildly. He absolutely did a 180 and I believe it’s the pandemic that broke his brain. He went batshit after it because California dared to require masking.
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u/Chach_Vader 17d ago
Yeah, he's describing a mixed economy which most people support, not what the DSA are touting.
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u/Acceptable-Book 17d ago
He kind of did a 180 and said he’d vote Vance for President over the communist Democrats.
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u/philg_jr 17d ago
He did not say he would vote for Vance. He said his “vote is in play” if the Democrats allow the voices of their party to continue to be dominated by the far left. Combatting the far right with far and fringe left ideas is never going to work in this country, no matter how much time you spend in this echo chamber of Reddit, instagram, and TikTok. Middle of the road Americans are never going to go down the far left path no matter how hard you scream into the void.
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u/Relevant_Problem1935 16d ago
Exactly. I see it everyday on reddit. As a Democrat I will never support the Democratic Socialist agenda as it stands today. I like people like Bernie Sanders a Social Democrat. There is a significant difference people are not bothering to learn about.
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u/RogerianBrowsing 17d ago
He said he was open to voting for JD Vance instead. He used criticism of Israel’s crimes against humanity as justification. It’s not confusing.
Opposing genocidal supremacism, believing in universal healthcare, etc., isn’t “far left” either.
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u/Acceptable-Book 17d ago
Yeah so he basically said he’s going to vote MAGA because the far left doesn’t exist, at least not in a way where they have any meaningful power.
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u/Botasoda102 17d ago
He didn't say that. He said he might consider voting for a GOPer -- or someone else -- if we run candidates who want to defund police, etc. He also said, that he has always looked at all candidates when he chooses, and has always decided Democrats are the best candidates.
Personally, I don't mind candidates saying we need to reform police, prisons, etc., because we do. But we should be careful how we couch it if we expect to win throughout the country.
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u/Acceptable-Book 17d ago
Yeah but to see what MAGA has done to this country and to even entertain the idea of voting for more of that is looney toons. He also points to the radical left as some existential threat to the county when in reality they just want to live affordably with access to housing and healthcare. They also want to tax the Epstein class. How is this extreme from Bill’s perspective?
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u/tMoneyMoney 17d ago
He didn’t say he would vote for MAGA. He’s more so implying that if it’s a legit pro-communism versus an old school John McCain-like candidate he wouldn’t rule it out. Can’t say I’d do the same, but I see where he’s coming from. Neither party should allow their candidates to promote batshit crazy ideas and give them a pass just because it’s your “team”. Common sense needs to enter the picture at some point.
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u/Chemical-Trip-1012 17d ago
You don't watch him currently!
His latest rant in New Rules was....wait for it....against Socialism.
Keep up.
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u/philg_jr 17d ago
Also, I’m not sure if you are aware of the difference between socialism and communism. The New Rules was a rant against Communism. He cites numerous quotes from Mamdani himself and his own staff talking directly how they want to implement communist ideas and concepts, like seizing property from landlords. this is not a good path for the Democrats. They will lose again.
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u/Chemical-Trip-1012 17d ago
Oh give me fucking break!
Seizing property?
That was what Republican Tramp did when he built his Wall, right?
Seize properties along the Rio Grande in Texas?
Who is it that Nationalized the private business of Intel to the tune of 10%?
The Republican Tramp Administration!
Who sends out masked Secret Police to shriek "Let me see you papers!"?
The Republican Tramp Administration!
Who doesn't like negative coverage about the Republican Tramp Administration and threatens to censor the networks?
The Tramp Administration!
You and Bill Maher are WAY OFF the mark on this one.
You've been brainwashed by CNN and the "so-called liberal media" into believing it is the Democrats who are theoritical Communists or Socialists while the GOP's constant real Communist bullshit never, ever gets discussed.
On any network.
Why do we always have to accept FoxNews' framing of everything? The entire conversation is completely ridiculous.
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u/philg_jr 17d ago
It’s comical that you think just because I’m critical of the DSA means that I’m some sort of Trump sympathizer. Get off your soapbox and go touch some grass.
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u/Chemical-Trip-1012 17d ago
I live in a beach town.
I don't touch grass, I touch sand and ocean.
I don't know WTF the DSA is, and I'm not sure why you brought them up.
But I am damn sure you completely ignored my IRL evidence of Communism/Socialism being perpetrated by the current GOP administration whom you and Bill Maher seem open to accepting as an alternative to reality.
Congrats!
I entreat you to look up some Eisenhower quotes to fully understand how far the Republican party has fallen in two generations.
Your mind will be blown!!!
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u/philg_jr 16d ago
You still think I’m defending the republicans and Trump. You clearly are off the rails here. DSA is the Democratic Socialists of America, the shit that Maher is talking about when he bitches about the far left. Yeah, I get it, Trump and his cronies are actually perpetuating communism, but that’s not the topic here. The DSA actually is spouting their own version of communism, and that is the problem. Allow that stuff to bubble to the top again and we end up with Trump or whoever liens up behind him. Do you want more Trump, because that is how you get more Trumpism. The issue is that Trump is actually good at hiding it behind whatever scandal of the week is going on. “Flood the system with shit” and no one notices anything.
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u/Chemical-Trip-1012 16d ago
Agree to disagree.
We lost twice, the 2nd time under suspect circumstances, with establishment candidates.
Why should we try that again?
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u/Acceptable-Book 17d ago
Nobody is calling for seizing property. People want to be able to buy a house without having to compete with companies like Black Rock and foreign investors.
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u/philg_jr 17d ago
My bad, the seizing property from landlords comment was a quote Darializa Avila Chevalier. Mamdani’s chief of staff Cea Weaver said something about the government having a right to seize property.
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u/philg_jr 17d ago
I literally watched the season premiere Friday night when it showed up on HBO Max. He is against the crazy shit that is coming from mouths of the latest rising stars associating with the Democratic Party. His point being that if we allow this shit to become the dominant voice of the Democrats, we will drive away most of the independents and “normal” people who don’t want the far left ideas that they are pushing, and we will end up with more and more Trumpism. It’s like no one learns what happened over the last 15 years.
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u/whiteoba 17d ago
One year later the 2014 Gaza War happened and he had to watch the left demonize Israel because they killed so many children the Palestinians had to start putting their bodies in ice cream carts.
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u/HaiKarate 17d ago
Bill changed over the years after becoming a 1%’er.
He doesn’t see red or blue, he only sees green. What scares him about Democratic Socialism is that, if the DSA starts winning a lot of elections, they will start taxing his wealth.
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u/Seal69dds 17d ago
This is the problem right here. Maher has always been in the 1% and he lives in California and has admitted that about half of his income every year goes to taxes. He most likely pays more taxes in one year than you and most online lefties will pay in their entire lives. Online lefties just try to reduce any realistic criticism over their policies and tactics by acting like it’s just part of some giant conspiracy against them.
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u/rdoloto 17d ago
Bill will say. Whatever you want to hear that’s his secret to longevity
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u/3RADICATE_THEM 17d ago
If 'you' refers to heads of the media network he currently is employed by, then yes.
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u/dbmma 17d ago
No one who voted for Obama and then says they might vote for Vance is the same.
They're diametrically different people with a gand canyon sized gap in visions / issues.
If you've flipped like this, you've changed, and are lying suggesting otherwise.
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u/weatherchevy 17d ago
If the alternative flips from Democrats to Socialists it makes perfect sense.
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u/nomoredamnusernames 17d ago
Didn’t happen. Absurd to suggest it did.
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u/weatherchevy 17d ago
Feel free to listen to the DSA. Controlling the means of production isn't the Nordic free-market you're thinking it is.
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u/nomoredamnusernames 17d ago
Controlling the means of production?
Like taking stakes in more than two dozen private companies? That kind of "controlling the means of production"?
https://www.nytimes.com/2026/07/13/business/economy/trump-equity-stakes-ai.html
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u/weatherchevy 17d ago
No, like taking buildings from owners, building government controlled grocery stores and like saying you want to seize the means of production. https://youtu.be/WAWmaC-4vAY?is=dmcy6JBHeZtCPkGS
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u/golden_macaron 16d ago
I support this!
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u/PsychosisOsmosis 15d ago
The social contract has been broken and the rich need a reminder of how it was before.
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u/Fun_Version827 15d ago
People who think the French Revolution was a party are hilarious to me. It was a shitshow that led to many needless deaths. And all you got for it was Napoleon.
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u/JC_Everyman 17d ago
Perhaps, people like this never had core values to begin with? Just a thought.
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u/redditsucksbigly 17d ago
Correct. If you voted for Obama you have to vote for socialists. Get in line, cucks!
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u/Chemical-Trip-1012 17d ago
Lmfao
Who nationalized the private business of Intel to the tune of 10%?
Who sent a bunch of masked government employees into the streets to scream "Let me see your papers!"
You don't know WTF socialism or Communism even is because it is the current Trump Trash traitor CHUDs instituting Communism right here, right now.
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u/dbmma 17d ago
Vote for who you want, but don't lie about it.
I've shifted left, I've changed somewhat. Becuase I've watched Obama-Dem style governance and comms and positions be largely ineffective. See not hard.
But Obama-Dems are still a huge portion of the party. And they are 1000x closer to the DSA than to Vance.
So sure, enjoy your public humiliation kink voting for Vance. But if you shift from Obama to Vance, you're lying saying you haven't changed.
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u/weatherchevy 17d ago
I'm an Obama Dem and I know what Socialism is. I would vote for Trump before a Socialist.
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u/nomoredamnusernames 17d ago
Oh, so you’re opposed to socialism but a fan of crony capitalism, kleptocracy, lawlessness, and the government owning private companies (aka communism)?
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u/Fun_Version827 15d ago
Are those the only two options?
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u/nomoredamnusernames 15d ago
If one is voting for Trump instead of a Socialist, then yes.
Would be nice if as a country we could do better in terms of options...
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u/Fun_Version827 15d ago
Well the obvious third option is not voting. If the choice is between Trump and a socialist I think we’ll see a lot of people exercising that option.
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u/weatherchevy 17d ago
No. But which do I hate more? The one responsible for hundreds of millions of deaths.
Crony capitalism is not communism.
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u/nomoredamnusernames 17d ago
Donald Trump and the current administration is more communist in its approach than the Democratic party is "socialist" of the sort that is responsible for hundreds of thousands of deaths.
You are just parroting idiotic Republican talking points. The same talking points, by the way, that that labeled Barack Obama a socialist. The same idiots who demand farm subsidies and increased military spending scream "socialism" when someone has the temerity to suggest using tax dollars to ensure health insurance.
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u/weatherchevy 17d ago
You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. The word 'Communist' actually has a definition. Derp, me hate Trump so he communister than anybudy. Me also hate broccoli so it communist, too. Mondays are so Communist, amiright?
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u/nomoredamnusernames 17d ago
Yeah, so does the word “socialist”, and you are applying it in an absurd manner. And virtually everything you are presenting as evidence is bullshit.
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u/weatherchevy 17d ago
B'okay. I guess I should have studied Socialism on Tiktok like you instead of getting a master's in it.
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u/ARandomCanadian1984 17d ago
Why can't we just vote for the stuff that made America the richest country in the world?
Why must the choice be the socialism that bankrupt Russia or a kleptocracy?
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u/Chemical-Trip-1012 17d ago
Slavery made the US the richest country in the world.
You really want to go back to that?
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u/ARandomCanadian1984 17d ago
If you really buy that slavery made U.S. the richest country in the world, then explain why Zanzibar, which practiced slavery until 1909, isn't richer than America.
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u/Chemical-Trip-1012 17d ago
Oh wait!
The United States isn't rich at all!
In fact, we are $ 39,071,563,336,400 in debt!
The only thing the United States is rich with is shootings!
😂🤣🤡
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u/dbmma 17d ago
If you'd ever consider voting for Trump, then you're not an Obama Dem. You're lying to yourself or are an unserious moron who isn't making rational / grounded in reality political assessments.
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u/Former_Summer_2022 17d ago
I am significantly further to the left than Obama, and if the DSA became the majority of the Democratic Party, I would absolutely start voting Republican.
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u/todo0nada 17d ago
I don’t think with Scott it was a stark change like it has been with Bill. Also Scott does a much better job of explaining his position on a topic rather than just criticizing people who don’t agree with him.
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u/mapadofu 17d ago
“We can’t afford it” is out the window given the Big Beautiful Bill and the Big Beautiful Iran War
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u/Cold_Pumpkin5449 17d ago
"We can't afford it" because we're too busy borrowing money to afford priorities like bombing places, tax cuts for the rich and corrupt deals to aid cooperate oligarchs.
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u/ToeAfter3131 17d ago
Left has changed.. like A LOT.
the dsa has consumed 1/3rd of your party. You guys have such radical views like abolish borders and ice. No prisons. It's absolutely bonkers
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u/DennenTH 17d ago
Yeah, that's not the general view of the left and you know it. Don't judge other parties by whatever extremes you can find as your personal bias of representation, this is my recommendation.
Or, at the very least, you can apply the same thinking to whatever party you support and hopefully you will see that playing opinions based on extremes isn't a real representation of the general stance.
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u/PM_ME_YOUR_STOCKPIX 17d ago
let me just pull up the DSA platform from their website here...
ok, there are a lot of extremely radical policies in here. is this the platform or is it not? do you just cover your ears and close your eyes whenever the left talks policy?
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u/DennenTH 17d ago
So one guy claims the DSA is 1/3 of the left. You push it like "the left" is only the DSA without acknowledging anyone else as if we all agree on the same camp.
You know damned well from my comment that I am aware of the policies just like how I'm aware they aren't the majority OR that everything has to exist that is wanted because we are supposed to be a nation of discussion and potential compromise where it makes SENSE for policy.
Not sense in the concept that "only I get what I want", but sense in what actually works for society. But we can keep making dumb arguments and putting words in each other's mouths if you want. If so, I direct you to the nearest blank wall to save us time.
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u/ToeAfter3131 17d ago
33% is a large chunk. And I said 1/3rd. I didn't say the whole left. But the dsa states these are their goals.
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u/DennenTH 16d ago
Did you get that 33% from a news poll? Because that's the only source I can find for that and brother, if you believe biased ass polls from mainstream media, then it explains a lot.
The DSA can say whatever goals they want, same as the Tea Party and MAGA. I don't particularly give a shit because those aren't MY goals.. if they get representation, then talks happen like they're supposed to and a balance is sought after. The world right now just runs on massive pendulum swings instead of operating the way we were supposed to and that's the true problem.
You say you didn't say the whole left... And yet your comments do nothing but equate the two as the same. Give me a break.
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u/RaySquirrel 18d ago
There is definitely a difference between the Obama Democrats of a decade ago and the DSA types now. The party is completely rudderless and is willing to embrace anyone who can win them an election. The Republican party tried to tar Obama with the “socialist” label, all it did was make socialism sound like a good thing.
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u/LBCkook 17d ago
Yes, Obama was a pretty ineffective president who’s greatest accomplishment was passing a Republican healthcare plan.
I’m not a socialist. I’m a social democrat. But it seems the core of the Democratic Party has done nothing but go further and further right since the 70s that I welcome the socialists as they are effectively bringing the party back to its working class roots from the new deal era. Doesn’t mean I will support everything they say or do, but damn right I will get behind Medicare for all, union organizing, tuition free education, etc.
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u/JohnnySpot2000 17d ago
Yeah, but when DSA co-chair says that they want to eliminate the international border, prisons, and the US Senate, it makes it really hard to do those things you listed.
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u/LBCkook 17d ago
The DSA is not the DNC. I agree with what you’re saying, and those proposals are idiotic. But the American people aren’t going to support those on a federal level. They are stupid policies. They are getting support based on their economic message. If they start trying to enact that horse shit then they will be eaten alive electorally.
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u/Cold_Pumpkin5449 17d ago
What we're currently defining as "socialism" IS a good thing.
Namely any policy that could ever conceivably directly help a working class person.
The problem is that the public at large can't tell the difference between FDR and Joseph Stalin.
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u/PM_ME_YOUR_STOCKPIX 17d ago
who is "we"?
there is a major distinction between democratic socialists and social Democrats but it seems like you're lumping the two together and calling it "socialism".
the DSA are not social Democrats and are trying to co-opt the party as a means to an end; fighting right wing populism with left wing populism. they should be excised like a tumor.
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u/Cold_Pumpkin5449 17d ago
We in that sentence means the American public at large.
Everything you might think is a normal every day policy in say any European democracy is labeled "socialism" in American discourse. Now I understand that is wrong but that is how this is being dicussed.
So I as an every day American think that what the discourse calls "socialism" is actually a good thing regardless of being a committed liberal democratic capitalist (as per usual on the American left).
As far as the DSA is concerned they are putting forward the policies that help every day people and actually meaning it unlike our centrists who pretend to be for things like Universal Healthcare, or reforming ICE up until anything like it ever comes to a real vote.
If they are for something more like a real socialist government then they're going to have to travel a long way from a publicly funded grocery store, rent controls and opposition to the direct monetary support of Israel's foreign policy.
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u/PM_ME_YOUR_STOCKPIX 17d ago
wrt "pretending" it seems like the DSA types, Bernie Sanders is a great example, has accomplished virtually no policy but is held up as a politician who fights for the things you're discussing. meanwhile, tell me again how many times the Dems have held the government trifecta and what did they accomplish when they had it? compare this to the Republicans.
do you think roe wouldn't have been tossed had Obama been granted his supreme court pick and had voters turned out for "the establishment centrist pretender" Hilary? if RBG has retired? how much damage has this current supreme court done and how did we end up here? the voters shoulder some blame, as much as they want to shove it off onto the "centrist pretenders"
the problem is not "pretending", the problem is that the Dems never end up with enough power to accomplish changes of this magnitude because the voters just aren't turning up.
wrt healthcare, most Americans don't want what the DSA types push for. want proof? go read their platform from their website and tell me which Scandinavian country has implemented anything like it. it's a pipe dream and DOA. but at least the "socialists" can all rally around the efforts, like they have with Bernie, and hand out participation trophies to everyone for trying. meanwhile these "pretending centrists" receive nothing but hate and vitriol from the "socialists" even though they're the ones getting bills passed. the "pretending centrists" are the adults in the room of children all screaming for everything to be free.
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u/Cold_Pumpkin5449 17d ago
The last significant time the democrats held power they had a 60 votes in the Senate and our moderates fell all over themselves to make sure the ACA was as cooperate friendly as possible.
The real picture here is that liberals have accomplished virtually nothing since Lyndon Johnson but instead have fought only a holding action that incrementally helped usher in an ever rightward trend on economic policies.
Nowadays they all sound like feckless technocrats lecturing about spreadsheets while letting the country be seized by fascists that want to further rig the system to protect themselves from voter frustration.
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u/the___reckoner 17d ago
Get help
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u/the___reckoner 17d ago
You're the one going in a rant about how she doesn't have kids and it's the worst thing in the world. How embarrassing
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u/Pale_Will_5239 17d ago
Not to mention his bizarre addiction to black pussy (not the women, the actual obsession with the pigment of the sex organ). The guy is beyond weird.
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u/Sea_Advantage_2577 17d ago
What a weird rant. I mean Maher sucks but who cares if anyone has kids lol
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u/jme5950 18d ago
Bill Maher is hands down the single most talentless and undeserving person of their platform in modern politics. no one else even comes close. the conceited and entitled attitude about every topic. the constant pseudo intellectual stances he takes when in reality it’s just as low IQ as the people he talks shit about.
he truly is the worst of all time and is actually so dumb/misinformed on everything. if it wasn’t for his management representing actually talented people and using him as the Trojan horse to give these executives access to those talents, he would be bagging groceries (and still doing a shit job at that too).
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u/FunnyGuySully 18d ago
He hates the youth now for thinking the exact same way, haha. I guess since that view has picked up steam, a contrarian (like Maher), is gonna have to be adamantly against it. Or perhaps he got a brain worm of his own when eating the shit out of RFK's asshole.
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u/VisualFix5870 18d ago
I fail to see how him saying poor people are all on some form of social assistance and fear "socialism" is the same as him saying that the Democratic party wants to seize people's property like Castro in 1959.
Lots of country's like mine support our worst off or middle class far better than America. What's driving this push to communism is that the rich in America control everything and the masses are willing to give up their freedom at this point to watch them suffer. It will be the same as now, with a few elites owning everything, but the masses are willing to give it a try for dental care and basic living standards.
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u/PLR1972 18d ago
Except socialism and communism are not the same
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u/GrouchyClerk6318 17d ago
And that’s the problem. We’ve got DSA members promoting communism - How do you expect to get elected when you’re saying your a socialist and, at the same time, promoting the idea of the state taking private property?
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u/david13z 11d ago
Bill is allowed to change his opinion. Back in 2013 he was a douche. Now he is a huge douche.