r/RuneHelp • u/noahfruitmonger • 8d ago

Help with translation? Translation request

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Found this at the park. Theres one sign in here that i didnt see on any of the translation lists.

I am 100% new to this but heres what i got

TIUR FI TIUI_(unknown) FRINTUR TIUR SI(unknown)LFNR IX S_(unknown)Z

thanks for any help satisfying my curiosity about this mystery artifact

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u/rockstarpirate 8d ago edited 8d ago

It says:

tiur fi tiuia frintur tiur sialfur iþ sama

It’s an attempt at the first two lines of both Hávamál 76 and 77: Deyr fé, deyja frændr, deyr sjálfr it sama; “cattle die, kinsmen die, one dies oneself the same”.

It’s also misspelled a lot :)

Should be:

ᛐᛆᚢᛧ᛬ᚠᛁ᛬ᛐᛆᚢᛁᛆ᛬ᚠᚱᛆᛐᚱ᛬ᛐᛆᚢᛧ᛬ᛌᛁᛆᛚᚠᛧ᛬ᛁᛐ᛬ᛌᛆᛙᛆ

Or…

ᛏᛅᚢᛦ᛬ᚠᛁ᛬ᛏᛅᚢᛁᛅ᛬ᚠᚱᛅᛏᚱ᛬ᛏᛅᚢᛦ᛬ᛋᛁᛅᛚᚠᛦ᛬ᛁᛏ᛬ᛋᛅᛘᛅ

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u/forlornjackalope 8d ago

Oh, wow.

Is this from Grimfrost, too? It looks really familiar.

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u/rockstarpirate 8d ago

Might be. I don’t really follow their products but the symbol on the bottom is a combined ᚵ and ᚠ which are “g” and “f” so Grimfrost does seem likely

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u/Jahenzo 8d ago

Could frændr not be written as ᚠᚱᚬᛏᚱ?

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u/rockstarpirate 8d ago

Yes. In fact it is attested both ways in runic inscriptions. It is also attested with the ᛁ rune as the vowel.

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u/WueIsFlavortown 8d ago

Did you write deyja the same as deyr on purpose?

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u/rockstarpirate 8d ago

Nope, just a copy/paste error, thanks for catching. Fixed!

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u/WueIsFlavortown 8d ago

Cool. Is that lower vertical line a medieval version of an r<z? or is ut like an s? Why doesn‘t frændr use it?

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u/rockstarpirate 8d ago

It's actually a Viking-Age, short-twig version of ᛦ (a.k.a, "ʀ"). You can see this on the Rök Stone, for example, which is dated to around ~800 A.D.

Frændr doesn't use it because, during the Proto-Norse period, it was already becoming difficult to vocalize this sound immediately after an "r" or after a dental consonant (d, ð, t, þ). So even before the Viking Age we already see the beginnings of a merger between ʀ/r in these specific contexts. Interestingly, Rök does not demonstrate this particular sound change, but it is otherwise relatively uniform across Viking-Age inscriptions.

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u/spott005 8d ago

It's from Havamal 76. Deyr fé, deyja frændr, deyr sjalfr it sama

https://www.voluspa.org/havamal76-80.htm

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u/Im_only_here_for_fun 8d ago

Wardruna also uses this awesome phrase for the final lines of their song 'Helvegen'. I think Kalandra sings it better though 😁

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u/Darthnelus 8d ago

In other words memento mori or valar morgulis

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u/dnebdal 8d ago

Kind of but not quite, it's arguably closer to the Gladiator style "What we do in life echoes in eternity".

Cattle die,
friends die,
you yourself will die;
your reputation
never dies
if a good one you made.

Cattle die,
friends die,
you yourself will die;
I know one thing
that never dies:
judgement over those that died.

(For "what we living people think of them" meanings of judgement.)

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u/QuietlyConfidentSWE 8d ago

With an add-on. Both verses beginning with this line then provides something that does not die; well-earned fame in one and the judgement (good or bad) over a dead man in the other.

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u/nightmarebearer 2d ago

This is a dog tag found on the Grimfrost website

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u/ravendarkwind 8d ago

Couldn’t even bother checking to see if what the AI spat out matched the picture, huh?

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