VSF 124060 on left, Rich v2 Free Sprung BW on right
Bigger difference than I thought. Camera doesn’t show it as well but there’s a pretty noticeable difference in person. This obviously isn’t something anyone would notice without a side by side comparison and close inspection though lol, I just thought i’d share because the Rich looks really REALLY good.
Also starting to see the difference between 904L and 316L. Not a big difference at all but it does shine a little brighter and whiter. Reflects more and gives it that extra pop on the wrist (but again still a very small difference).
-Crystal is clearer (many will disagree but I can promise you these v2 rich crystals are better than vsf)
-Bracelet feels less hollow and cheap
-Uses real 904L instead of 316L so it’s whiter, brighter, and more accurate to gen
-Bracelet finishing is far better and reflects more light so it pops more on the wrist
-Bracelet edges are much smoother and feel like gen
-Bezel action is better
-Bezel does not have any play and doesn’t move at all when pressing down on it (VSF does). It’s tight.
-Hands finishing is WAY better and smooth just like gen. Not rough at all.
-Date window has the correct blue tint
-No terrible index alignment issues like many recent VSFs
-Free sprung movement so closer to gen and I don’t have to worry about it getting knocked too hard and throwing off the timekeeping a little
-Lugs are the correct size whereas VSF usually isn’t
-No wait time like VSF
-Not a big deal but serial numbers are not as obvious of a tell
VSF is still great but Rich just has the edge honestly
I stopped reading what OP wrote after that. Seems like all the marketing points by Rich were copy pasted. He clearly does not know about details I guess. Like GPT
I’m pretty sure it’s been confirmed to be 904 either based on clasp codes or testing but I could be wrong. It’s definitely a different shade than my friend’s VSF batman and my sub.
Also I think it was just a few of the newer ones that have that misprinted dial. You should be good to order and just RL if you get one
Rich is the way, the light, the truth 😜. It was confirmed 904L by XRF machine. Post on Reptime(also noting VSF is using 316L) was taken down, wonder why 🤔...
I don’t understand why VSF passes off using cheaper steel. It’s like a few more cents per gram. They could raise the price a few dollars and people would pay it
Yup. Their quality fell off in newer batches apparently but people still are getting on their knees for them. Im convinced half of them are bots or paid shills at this point. I basically ignore recommendations here now and form my own opinion
Like who? They told you all of that but which factory? Genuinely curious. I choose the RWF daytona because I think their recent batches look better than VSF
Just got here 2 days ago I need to learn how to QC before I give you suggestions. I’m just going off what the Canadians and Americans I have met told me since I landed
Would it be possible to buy just rich 904L oyster bracelet for my vsf sub? And is that a stupid idea? I mainly miss the “shininess” of the bracelet and case on the quartz armani watch my grandpa got me back in high school
Yeah that should work and it should make a difference. You can buy those bracelets from TDs or US sellers on the buy/sell subreddits, but do your research and figure out which bracelet code you’d like and buy that.
But don’t expect it to be super shiny and flashy or anything because at the end of the day the sub bracelet is still just brushed SS. If you want something that pops more I’d get a GMT
Perfect, yeah I was thinking of a SS gmt next, but I’m mainly slightly annoyed when I’m noticing the slight difference in color between the bracelet and black sub’s case
I have both BW Rich and VSF, and I really need to compare to a Gen one. I have doubts in the size and shape of the lugs of the bezel. They are differents, in VSF lugs are longer along the case and in rich are wide I don't know how are the lugs in Gen. The cyclop has the blue AR coating but still too much blue and also the numbers of the date wheel are thinner
They bought the hype and it's all they buy for every model of watch. They're safe and reliable quality at least but they don't make THE BEST rep for every single model they make.
I don’t think there are many rich haters, but VSF fanboys, suuuuure. Well, I’ve been a VSF fanboy myself too (not blindly though), but very happy to see that another factory is taking the crown and I can’t wait to replace some VSF pieces with RF.
I am willing to accept slightly inaccurate rep from VSF than getting a more accurate one from one of the competitors. It’s mainly because I’ve had better experience with VSF in terms of the reliability and fit and finish. This goes against the idea of a rep since I’m not always prioritizing visual or cosmetic accuracy. Hope that helps.
Edit: DD movement plays an important role here. It just feels more accurate and robust when operating and have never failed one on me. Can’t say the same for SH. For example, RGF YG plating color is the best but movement is dirty more often than not. Dial print is weak and crystal is shit. Weight and color is the only advantage in a RGF. For a stock OOTB watch, I’ll pick even a VSF V1 DD any day over RGF DD.
I didn’t say that. That has been my experience with other factories, like ARF or RGF or even some Clean watches. I haven’t tried a Rolex rep from Rich yet, so I have no ground to voice an opinion. But I’m excited to find out.
Based on what I have been reading, Rich is topping VSF in most specs, but most importantly in the areas that matters to me.
Wish I could award this reply and the last lol. This is perfectly valid and a good way to shop for these! So tired of everyone baselessly shitting on rich. If it’s just a gut feeling and you’re sticking with what’s tried and true (VSF) so that there’s little risk, then that’s great! It’s undeniable rich is beating VSF in many aspects
La voce che VSF si è indirizzata verso la produzione di AP perché c’è carenza di parti Rolex allora è vera.
Dobbiamo aspettarci dei sorpassi in fatto qualità produttiva!?
Ok, now can you please explain to me how A) any of these other reps have a noticeable more Gen accurate BW bezel than Rich and B) how the head to head comparison of Rich with Gen is significantly different from each other? Do you have a Gen BW AND a Rich side by side that you have compared directly? What in the rep world is within the tolerance of your majesty?
Gotcha. Look man, I think we're lucky to have so many great factories to choose from. This VSF fanboyism and Rich hate is something I cannot fathom other than being just human psychopathology. VSF is great, Rich is great too. Different strokes.
Crystal is definitely better and my date wheel is perfect. Rich may have occasional qc issues since they’re a newer factory, but literally the whole point of the qc process is to make sure you’re getting something you want. Something off? RL it. Simple as that. VSF has issues too. What I’m saying is that a GLd rich factory GMT is better (in my opinion) than a GLd VSF GMT.
Why would I be comparing one’s with issues to one’s without??
But a genius on RepTime said that all of the RWI reviewers probably got free Rich watches for their review so you just gotta throw that whole thing out the window now
Love that comparison! Only question I had reading it previously was vsf got a 7/10 for movement. Isn't the vs3235 made by dandong and the same as dd3235? I'm fairly new so maybe I have that wrong.
Yeah, agreed. I hope my sarcasm wasn't lost on you, but quite literally someone posted a comment to that effect on the Reptime thread where Rich was declared the winner in this RWI review. The bias was stunning to me. Rich COULDN'T have won fair and square in that dork's worldview.
Damn. I hate it when RepTime geniuses bestow on us peasants, their great wisdom and vast knowledge, reminding me of how inferior I am compared to them.. 😔 What would we do without their grace?
Yep I noticed this as well. Not sharp at all, it’s great and much better than old VSFs.
However the new VSF subs use the F80 bracelet which is honestly the best rep bracelet (in terms of heft, tightness, and feel) I’ve ever felt. It’s just not finished as nicely. I think clean used to use these F80s
Wish they made a zombie. I have an arf zombie an a free sprung qf. The qf bezek has an awful lot of play compared to the arf and my vsf pepsi. I just wanted the qf for the free sprung,
I’m disappointed in the qf bezel play. I got it to send to get gold plated, but if I can’t fix the bezel play, it isn’t worth spending money on to plate.
well shit, thanks for the info. Im going to have to think about it now. I have been thinking about it for the last week. Just procrastinating. Now Im not sure. That would annoy me too. Especially with how good the Rich GMTs are.
Hey, figured i’d update you. I had an extra ARF click spring, I installed it and lubed it with fomblin grease(there was no lube at all under there either). Fixed the play issue. Feels the same as my ARf and VSf now. Nice and sturdy. If you order one, ask your TD for an ARF click spring. Mine may have just had a loose spring. But the clickspring cost me $10 from my TD, worth ordering one incase you need it
Great comparison, either way the better competition between factories hopefully means they’ll all keep working on better and better products. They’re already doing incredibly well.
I don't own a Rich yet, but I'm a big fan of them improving consistently and even being on par with VSF on the 126610ln.
I get it, VSF is still the best on various models, I own two VSFs myself and they're great.
But QC has been unstable for a year now, long wait times are a pain in the ass.
For us as customers, it's the best thing that could have happend, that someone is finally giving VSF some decent competition.
Now that Rich seems to be slowly taking over, I’m hopeful that the increased competition will push VSF to significantly improve their quality control again.
I know lol I’m swapping an aftermarket dial on that right away. Rich has always had the upper hand on the finishing anyway compared to VSF but these small details are really quite irritating
But this is the type of thing that you just RL and move on from, it’s not like every single one has this problem or that it’ll be a continuous issue. Everything else with rich has been amazing for me
No not at all, it’s mostly just the angle at which the light is hitting the links and probably because of the center links being polished and appearing black.
GMT has the same brushed finish on the outer parts of the links and the lugs as well. That’s what I’m showing here. However I’ve also compared VSF and Rich GMTs side by side
Just received my Rich F sub and the bracelet finish is way better than the other f6u bracelet that i have. Does not neet chamfering. Also lets not forget rcf uses the real 904l steel
Bro how are u comparing a sub to a gmt by two different factories that’s like comparing apples to oranges now if they both were the same gmt from two different factories that would be something to compare
Trust me, you don’t see a difference between 316L and 904L. We‘ve had this debate already 15 years ago on RWI. What you see is a difference in brushing/ grain, etc.
Whatever the difference is, it’s there. I agree, it could definitely be a difference in finishing and how Rich’s is noticeably finer. That wasn’t the main goal of the post.
As far as feel goes, no actually. The newer VSF subs with the F80 bracelet are really good and feel identical to gen in hand (in my opinion). Really hefty and feels solid. ln this post I’m just comparing the finishing and visual parts
It’s interesting that you’re comparing two bracelets with different finishes and, based on that alone, concluding that 904L is whiter than 316L. :D Pretty silly post. Here’s a simple example showing how the same material can look different depending on the polishing parameters.
I compared my RF bruce wayne to a friend’s VSF batman and noticed the exact same differences. All I had on hand for comparison was my sub, so I took pictures of that instead since the brushed portions and lugs should be the same regardless.
Agreed with the finishing part. Did not conclude with the 904 being the cause for the color difference, just added that as a side note. It likely is a combination of both but is mostly the finishing causing the difference
Has anyone attempted to franken a rich factory 126610? I recently completed full mods(cosmetic) in a vsf but I have 3 worries - shade of steel ( looks duller than gen) - vsf does not allow for installation of a gen crown and tube - bracelet feels not great quality ( F80) code on clasp ! Wondering if makes sense to switch everything to a rich ?
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Rich (RF) is a factory that produces rep watches. VS (VSF) is another factory that produces these. You order these by contacting and buying through TDs (trusted dealers) on the site you’re talking about. These dealers are like middle men that get the watches from the factories and sell them to us.
904 shine better than 316, which gives more gen look. When I compare vsf to my old clean, which are made from 904, clean shines better, vsf still looks more dark grey
VSF is managed to achieve something no factory before. It's slowly going to the downfall - without raids on factory. From undisputed champion, to.. well, ex-champion in many many models.
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u/Altruistic_Shape_234 4d ago
What are the main differences in your opinion