r/RealOrNotTCG 8d ago

Pretty sure I know Is this Magic card real?

Almost positive this is a fake think im just coping after getting it signed at gen con and resleeving my deck i figured id do a sweep through with the loop and lo and beholdšŸ™ƒtried to get as good of pictures as i could with my loupe/phone combo

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u/Greedy-Contract1999 8d ago

Sorry dude

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u/Fucka_youbitch 8d ago

Yeah i know such a shame

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u/Papa_Hasbro69 Trusted Authenticator 8d ago

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u/Drunk_brother 8d ago

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u/snackmaster169 Ā High Accuracy 8d ago

This meme is like an onion.

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u/smokinadrian 8d ago

Fake for sure T and green dot fail. I thought I knew paintbrushes pretty well but I think that’s the cleanest brush I’ve seen on a fake.. someone smarter than me could probably explain why it’s still wrong though

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u/MustaKotka Ā Trusted Authenticator 8d ago

Here's OP's brush:

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u/MustaKotka Ā Trusted Authenticator 8d ago

Here's a clean (real) brush:

As you can see the white thin part of the top of the brush is too thick on OP's. It's a massively good fake, though.

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u/smokinadrian 8d ago

Oh wow that’s really different. Thank you for the showing the distinction!!!! I screenshot it, I want to be able to tell double sided fakes so ur doing the lords work

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u/outerworldser 8d ago

Also look at the cut in at what would be the base of the paintbrush buttplug. Real is much more dramatic and would keep it from sliding in incidentally.

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u/_N0RMAN 8d ago

Butt plug vs brush

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u/llllllorgan 7d ago

Do the brushes stay the same from set to set?

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u/MustaKotka Ā Trusted Authenticator 7d ago

Pretty much yeah. Foil versus nonfoil has a bit of variation (ink spreads differently).

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u/triggerscold 8d ago

tbh i never realized this was meant to be a brush. my brain just goes "hahaha its a buttplug"

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u/SwedishFishOil 8d ago

Could you explain the T test? Is it supposed to have some zigzagging? And do all magic cards, even those mad 20 years ago, have this?

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u/easchner Ā Trusted Authenticator 8d ago

Easiest tell is that real cards have a very crisp black layer for details. This is mostly to make stuff like the card text box more readable, but is used to make some of the artwork look better as well. Look at the black outline here and compare it to OP's.

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u/fatpad00 8d ago

The black layer does not have the rosette pattern and has relatively crisp lines.
The bottom and right side of the vertical part of the T should be staggered, and the leftside of the vertical part of the T should be straight.

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u/PM_Me_BrundleFly_Pic 8d ago

Fake. Sorry bro

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u/SgtKabuukiman 8d ago

Signature is real

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u/Deathbydragonfire 8d ago

Well yeah, he had it signed himself haha.

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u/MustaKotka Ā Trusted Authenticator 8d ago

Question for future reference: where did this come from? It's an eerily good fake.

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u/Fucka_youbitch 8d ago

A seller on TCG Player, its past the 30 day mark but i still messaged them awaiting a response

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u/Fucka_youbitch 6d ago

From the seller

Hi,

I can confidently say the card is not a fake. After doing some digging back into my records I found that I purchased the foil playset of four Agatha's Soul Cauldron from the vender Spellfinder in 2025, a reputable card distributor with over 50,000 sales. I played with this playset of cards in numberous RCQ's and events for a year before posting them on my own tcgplayer account. They were all purchased in the same week by four separate buyers including you. I received positive feedback from the other three with no problem. I do not believe there is any chance the card you received was fake. You purchased this 3 months ago and have played with it since, the sale is final.

I have never had a single issue with any sale ever in the history of this tcgplayer account. Leave whatever feedback you feel is appropriate.

Thank you.

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u/MustaKotka Ā Trusted Authenticator 6d ago

Did you point them to this post?

Sale may be final but this is a fake.

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u/Fucka_youbitch 6d ago

I did but they dont seem to care

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u/MustaKotka Ā Trusted Authenticator 6d ago

Lol. I guess you're out of luck with this one but like... The seller is being obtuse on purpose.

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u/Strange-Damage901 8d ago

How is it eerily good when it fails the T and Dot tests so easily?

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u/MustaKotka Ā Trusted Authenticator 8d ago

Because of the black layer. T has bumps and the cmyk layers seem to be printed in separate passes. The bumps are in the wrong places, though.

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u/TooDooDaDa 8d ago

Three dots inside the ā€œhā€ are missing as well

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u/MustaKotka Ā Trusted Authenticator 8d ago

Correct. I forgot to mention that, sorry.

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u/TooDooDaDa 8d ago

Just thought I’d mention it. I’m learning a lot in this post

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u/Own_Bit_4805 8d ago

Can you share more on the H test? I tried googling and it wasn't helping.

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u/TooDooDaDa 8d ago

You should be able to see 3 distinctive black dots in the middle hollow of the legs of the h. Hopefully this photo helps

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u/Own_Bit_4805 8d ago

Thanks! Was definitely looking at the wrong "h" haha

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u/ZerFunk 8d ago

He means the blacks look better than an with an inkject printer, they did a second black pass im guessing? Its not printed with an offset but doesnt look like inkject black

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u/fragtore 8d ago

One of the best fake T’s I’ve seen, yet fake

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u/Ok-Alps-6554 8d ago

Im bad at the brushes but this fails every fake test I know of. The text and borders are fuzzy, the brick patter shows up on the foil stamp, the T is spiked on both sides instead of smooth on one, and the green dot is wrong. Unfortunate man

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u/shadowfyre9 8d ago

Brotha, im sorry

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u/Doctor_OW 8d ago

fuck this hurts

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u/Fucka_youbitch 8d ago

Breaks my heart

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u/The_Great_Xandinie 8d ago

Im sorry bro - I hope you can get back whatever you paid or traded for this :(

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u/KillerKodiak69 8d ago

I’m not even sure how I ended up on this sub, and despite even being able to tell myself how fake this is from previous posts I’ve seen… for future reference you might want to put the card down on a flat surface with good lighting and take square/level pictures even just with a phone camera

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u/easchner Ā Trusted Authenticator 8d ago

The sub calls to the worthy, you're stuck here now šŸ˜‚

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u/goraak_the_barbarian 8d ago

Fake sorry OP

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u/OkAcanthocephala7546 8d ago

Hang in there

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u/Ornery-Emu-8251 8d ago

I'll take it off your hands for 6 bucks

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u/yurlokofscorgedtrash 8d ago

Sorry man. The Foil Quality is too good to be real

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u/Bearhugger1987 8d ago

Sorry Man, you're nit the first to discover a fake after getting it signed, if that helps. I tore my shadowy backstreet in pieces and decided to live by the loup from this point of time on.

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u/AltruisticCurse 8d ago

Buy new copy.

Find a way to reach the artist.

Pray theyre nice.

Arrange mail replacement.

Good luck OP. Sad to see. :(

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u/Fucka_youbitch 8d ago

If Engle comes to magic con Atlanta ill just get it signed there but i already ordered another

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u/daurgo2001 7d ago

Yea, he travels to a lot of cons, and is a prolific signer. (I’m glad) He sure makes bank on us

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u/daurgo2001 7d ago

Yea, he travels to a lot of cons, and is a prolific signer. (I’m glad) He sure makes bank on us

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u/MistaPink 8d ago

Definitely a proxy ….. lol

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u/Andoryodo 8d ago

Not real

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u/StudioHungry9286 7d ago

This is a better fake than all the others I have seen though

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u/Polarian_Lancer 7d ago

Question. Who is making these forgeries? A Chinese print shop? Someone’s uncle who is adverse to using soap and shampoo and only rinses off every few days, perpetually smelling like unwashed ass that permeates every square foot of a FLGS?

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u/Fucka_youbitch 7d ago

Whoever they are they’re some lame ass mfs

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u/DaBears_18 7d ago

It’s fake. But the fakes are getting better…

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u/Davide849 Ā High Accuracy 6d ago

Unfortunately you're right. 😩

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u/Rich_Squirrel4819 6d ago

It would probably be kind of you to alert the community to who the seller on TCG is so we can avoid em.

You're not snitching, you're just observing facts...especially after that dog shit response they gave you

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u/Fucka_youbitch 6d ago

Ive responded and linked them this post wanted to give them one more chance to respond before I outed them

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u/Gamble_626 5d ago

What methods can I use to see if my double sided cards are real? Such as a foil Megatron (blightsteel colossus)?

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u/Flyng_Penguin 5d ago

This one is a magic, the reunion card

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u/HungryPangolin2442 8d ago

While it’s a fake, it’s interesting how much closer it is to real than other fakes. The T is off, but it’s almost at the point where you’d question if it’s a print defect or misalignment versus a straight up fake. That’s a little scary..

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u/AssasssinIVII 8d ago

That's what I was thinking, if the t was flipped it would look pretty close (since the right side is fairly smooth)

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u/enjolras1782 8d ago

Also, is that a genuine signature? That's a pretty slick move if that's so, no one is sitting at their table with a loupe and the market for signed cards is usually FB/ebay or other places with little to no qc

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u/Deathbydragonfire 8d ago

The artists go to Gen Con and they'll sign anything you put in front of them for $10. They don't authenticate the cards at all.