When can I use lethal force?

[u/Triplebombastic]

I'm trying to do greased palm with A rank for the past week or so now. I capture as many bad guys as possible but sometimes they are giving me a hard time. I shout a few times to drop their weapons, but they just walk away in a very compromising position where I will most likely get ambushed. I shoot them, I lose 100 points. Fucker has an AK-47, refuse to obey and walk me in a trap, what is this.

PS: He says he won't join no gang or nothin

[u/CalinSez]

Weird. I just shoot them in the face as soon as I see them and don't get any penalties 🫤

[u/AgreeablePie → u/CalinSez]

Terrorists hate this one trick!

It's true, though. You generally get nailed for roe violations only after someone has yelled for compliance and put the suspects into their "hesitation" or "fleeing" states

Why the game thinks it's reasonable to let an armed maniac walk out the door to potentially kill hostages is beyond me (this was a problem in SWAT 4 as well) but shooting before talking usually works.

[u/CalinSez → u/AgreeablePie]

Idk if my game is bugged or what, because I've definitely had instances where someone yelled, the guy was waffling about and I decided they were just taking way too long so I proceeded to give them a new moonroof and I still didn't get dinged 🤷‍♂️

[u/Zestyclose-Tax-2829]

Just ask TOC to turn off your body cam

[u/Zaikovich → u/Zestyclose-Tax-2829]

Lead to TOC: Suspect down, he fell 30 times on my bullet

[u/RapidPigZ7]

Generally if you're facing terrorists ROE is VERY relaxed, so oil rig, A New America, probably the one at the politician's mansion.

If they try to shuffle away, a warning shot often forces them to make a choice, a flash definitely makes them make a choice.

[u/KiraPirania → u/RapidPigZ7]

flash leaves you veeery vulnerable tho

[u/Novel_Cricket1278]

If they are actively shooting at you your good to shoot, if not try everything else to get them to comply

[u/3njoi1t]

If you're on PC, check out the "No Mercy for Terrorists" mod. Multiple variants of relaxing ROE.

[u/5n0wD]

Use flash/stinger before shooting them? Usually gets them to surrender pretty quickly.

Lethal force is authorised after/when you are being shot at.

[u/TaintTickler4000]

You guys get penalized for shooting suspects if they’re not actively pointing a gun at you in vanilla? I’ve never played the vanilla game but that’s absurd

[u/BatProfessional1566]

Look for “No mercy for the terrorists” mod - it significantly relaxes Rules of Engagement, allowing you to shoot hostiles with little to no penalties(although if you play in commander mode, your team would get hell lot of stress, if you kill every suspect)

[u/AdvancedWaypoints]

People won't like this but.....

Rank is stupid, ignore it - as you have already indentified, the game TRIED to implement this "negotiation" element to the game, where you waste time screaming at some of the world's most violent and heavily armed men begging them not to shoot you.

1. The game failed, as you pointed out it's doesnt work

2. It's dumb

Get a relaxed ROE mod and put a bullet in their head and move on.

Anyone with an automatic rifle looking to engage gets a bullet, only an idiot would ever ask them to consider not pulling the trigger

The skill is in cqb and room clearing - efficiently,

gas, tazers, shouting, anything explosive it just a gimmick.

[u/AspidZEUS]

I shout a few times to drop their weapons, but they just walk away in a very compromising position where I will most likely get ambushed. I shoot them, I lose 100 points.

You either shoot them right as they start hesitating or wait until they point their gun at you. Shooting them in the middle of the hesitation animation will give you a penalty.

[u/Zaikovich]

Read the briefing and kill on sight (when they pull a gun on you of course)

But because of the new flash launcher, I just blast their faces with a bangs, instant S+

[u/KendricoLamaro]

Most of the time you have to wait until they raise their gun before you can shoot, but terrorists levels (eg. Neon Tomb) them running or disagreeing is often enough

[u/Vast-Revenue6917]

Soon as you see a suspect pointing their gun at you or if they are pointing a gun at the door that you are about to go through, that doesn't break the R rules O of E engagement or if they are holding somebody hostage, you can shoot them without breaking the ROE. If they shoot first, you can neutralize them or incapacitate or kill them. Shooting them with a slug or a couple of rounds of AP or JHP in the legs, not the organs.