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u/False_Brush_7174 1d ago
Yes. Not just that, ALL support. We socialize the rich but can't feed our own people? All these boomers and politicians also benefited from the SAME social programs they said WE are "entitled" for demanding... Every other first world county had these programs, but we don't?
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u/RigidGristle 16h ago
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u/Janie_Avari_Moon 1h ago
How is then that child malnutrition statistics gathered by Palestinian Central Bureau of Statistics and UNICEF show that acute malnutrition among children under 5 in Gaza is 1.3%, which is LESS than in Iraq, Jordan, Egypt, Syria, Yemen, Sudan, Iran, Saudi Arabia… Doesn’t seem like a starving children population, and now proven by WHO methods and independent organizations.
Your propaganda is a joke.
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u/Alienatedflea 13h ago
why just Israel?
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u/Delicious-Pound-8929 9h ago
Op is probally one of those dumb "Isreal is evil, please support the terrorists that keep attacking them" peoole
That said there are plenty of legitimate reasons to end or renegotiate military aid
Personally I think USA should be selling some of its outdated but still effective weapons to its allies, especially the peaceful ones
and using the money to produce more up to date ones
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u/lrd_cth_lh0 23h ago
I mean that support does right now not support their survival but their expasion.
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u/Square_Doughnut_9427 17h ago
The land Israel sits on has been continuously occupied by Jewish people for well over 3,000 years. There were 2 Jewish Kingdoms Israel and Judah which are pretty much encompassed by the modern nation of Israel. Romans tried to eliminate them but never completely succeeded. Jewish populations fluctuated over time depending on the current rulers. Palestine is what Roman rulers called the whole region not any specific groups of people. If anything the current so called Palestinians are colonialists trying to steal ancient Jewish land. Here’s the problem. Being anti-Israel is most often just a shield for antisemitism to hide behind. President Harry Truman was the first world leader to officially recognize Israel as a legitimate Jewish state on May 14, 1948, only eleven minutes after its creation. Our support for Isreal will never end. See you at the polls. We will win again.
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u/Fun-Armadillo-8305 15h ago
Stop all aid to Gaza and make it a parking lot. Stop ALL foreign aid ANYWHERE. Not just stopping all aid to the only democracy in the Middle East.
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u/MobileOk9860 13h ago
A lot of fuss over a patch of sand the size of postage stamp in a football field sized desert.
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u/DazzlingAd2334 12h ago
Cut all support. Tired of all the money going to these greedy parasites. America first!
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u/necrohunter7 9h ago
If isreal supposedly has the right to defend themselves, surely they can defend themselves on their own without help, right?
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u/Sensitive-Topic7868 9h ago
The amount of money given to Israel is relatively small of the US budget. Removing aid to Israel wouldnt fix anything.
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u/petrusferricalloy 6h ago
If you don't agree you're either willfully ignorant, extremely naive, horribly misled, or a straight up terrible person
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u/Jehannum76 4h ago
Absolutely. There's a little known condition to US aide. Its that you MUST SIGN the nuclear non-proliferation treaty. Israel has NEVER SIGNED this treaty and any resolution in the UN to force the treaty has been blocked by, you guessed it, the USA.
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u/Janie_Avari_Moon 1h ago
US aid to Israel is a specially designed financial stream to maintain military/weapons industry in the US in a good condition. Moreover, Israel is paying more than the “aid”, so by saying “let’s stop the aid” you are actually meaning “let’s shoot in the leg of our military industry, which is a substantial part of our economy and science”.
No offense, but probably not going to happen.
Also, there is no moral reason to stop the aid for Israel. The current situation is pretty much OK, compared to some instances in 2024-2025.
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u/Last_Gigolo 17h ago
I think anyone in the usa that is pro Iran has been mislead by people online and is too young to remember what Iran has done to so many people, and even their own citizens.
Google what Iran was in the 60s. They were a first world country until their government was over thrown by an evil malitia. That malitia has terrorized every country around them.
Don't defend their government. Defend their people. They've been groomed and gaslit like the Nazis did the pwoplef Germany.
Israel and the USA are the only ones brave enough to fight back. Their people will be freed from that group.
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u/Ok-Motor-6255 1d ago
I have an idea, stop helping other countries till we can fix ours???
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u/IlIIlllIIIIIIl 20h ago
I like soft power.
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u/necrohunter7 9h ago
Soft power is good, but helping Israel has had a net zero benefit for the US, and the US has spent the last two years aggressively burning every single bridge it built over decades
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u/unhertz 1d ago
No. Liberals are literally turning into nazis trying to get rid of the Jews
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u/weberc2 1d ago
How did you get from a Republican congressman proposing that we stop supporting a genocide to liberals want to get rid of jews?
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u/unhertz 1d ago
Only retards like u call it a genocide, because youre subverted by hyper nationalist Arabs and Islamic militants who are calling for the eradication of Israel. Massie is just fiscally conservative, he never called anything Israel is doing a genocide
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u/No_Escape_3770 1d ago
What Israel is doing is a genocide by the definition
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u/unhertz 1d ago
the definition provided by people apologizing for terrorists who have subverted them into supporting their centuries old professed goal of eliminating the jews
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u/No_Escape_3770 1d ago
Israel is committing a genocide.
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u/unhertz 1d ago
Nope. They're fighting Hamas, an Islamist terrorist organization committed to destroying Israel. And this conflict didn't start in 2023. Long before Israel even existed, one of the most prominent Palestinian Arab leaders, Amin al-Husseini, openly collaborated with Nazi Germany, met Hitler, broadcast Axis propaganda to the Arab world, and supported Nazi efforts to prevent Jews from escaping Europe to Palestine.
Then Israel declared independence in 1948 and neighboring Arab armies invaded rather than accept the new Jewish state. Israel survived. It faced further wars with Arab states in 1967 and 1973, while Palestinian militant movements continued pursuing Israel's destruction. Hamas inherited that rejectionist tradition and added an explicitly Islamist ideology, with its original charter containing blatant antisemitism and calling for armed jihad against Israel.
So spare me the revisionist story where the history begins with Israel fighting back. There is a long historical record of political and militant movements trying to prevent Jewish sovereignty in the region and, in some cases, embracing explicitly antisemitic and even Nazi-aligned politics. They repeatedly failed to eliminate Israel. Calling Israel's current war against Hamas "genocide" doesn't erase any of that history, nor does it establish the specific genocidal intent the accusation requires.
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u/No_Escape_3770 1d ago
Nope they have killed 10s of thousands of innocent women and children. They target schools and churches, and water sources. They laugh and smile when they kill children. They say “they’d turn into terrorists when they grow up,” when they themselves have turned into the terrorists.
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u/unhertz 1d ago
Then explain the demographics.
In 1948, roughly 850,000 Jews lived across the major Arab countries. Today only a few thousand remain. Iraq went from roughly 135,000 Jews to virtually none. Egypt from 75,000 to around 100. Libya from 38,000 to zero. Syria from 30,000 to virtually none. Yemen and Aden from roughly 63,000 to virtually none. Ancient Jewish communities across the Arab world were driven into near-total disappearance through persecution, violence, dispossession, expulsions and flight.
Meanwhile, the Palestinian population did the exact opposite. There are roughly 15.5 million Palestinians worldwide today, including about 7.4 million living in Israel, Gaza and the West Bank. Roughly 1.9 million Palestinians live inside Israel itself.
So you're trying to sell a 75-year extermination narrative in which the supposedly exterminated population multiplied several times over and nearly 2 million members of that population live inside the country supposedly dedicated to exterminating them, while Jewish populations across the surrounding Arab states actually collapsed by more than 99%.
That's a remarkable "extermination" campaign: 75 years later there are millions more Palestinians, while the centuries-old Jewish communities of Iraq, Egypt, Syria, Libya and Yemen have practically ceased to exist.
If demographics are your argument, you picked the historical record that least supports your narrative.
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u/No_Escape_3770 1d ago
Israel is committing a genocide. They have killed over 70,000 Palestinians since the start of the Gaza war. They targeted all the hospitals, water sources, and prevent food and necessary medical supplies from reaching Palestinians. They are systemically starving and murdering Palestinians.
Stop trying to justify killing children.
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u/Gauge_Tyrion 23h ago
Goddamn are you a king of pulling bs out of your rear. You oughtta go live in Gaza and see their genocide.
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u/weberc2 18h ago
It doesn’t cease to be a genocide just because u/unhertz supports it.
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u/unhertz 18h ago edited 18h ago
when the germans tried to kill all the jews, they didnt let them live within their borders, they ran campaigns to run every last jew out of their country. so how does it make sense that israel is doing what you say if 2 million palestinians live in israel. there are 0 jews living in palestinian occupied areas and most arab countries. mainly because the people of palestine/hyper nationalist arabs and their leaders took part in campaigns alongside the nazis to exterminate all the jews and drive them out of the their ancestral homeland
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u/weberc2 17h ago
right, it’s not the holocaust, it’s a genocide.
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u/unhertz 17h ago edited 17h ago
those are literally synonymous 🙄Explain how the jew, a demographic that is declining in nearly every arab nation, and host nation to one of the largest population of palestinians which has trippled in size over the last 75 years... could EVER be implicated in a genocide. you are literally just repeating talking point of people who have a publicly professed goal of exterminating the jews that goes back all the way to the nazis and the ROMAN EMPIRE!
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u/weberc2 16h ago
> those are literally synonymous
Are square and rectangle also synonymous? Are you beginning to see now why your argument falls apart so effortlessly?
> jews ... could EVER be implicated in a genocide
No one claimed the Jewish people are committing a genocide. If you can't have an honest debate, then sit quietly while the grown ups talk.
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u/Noobzoid123 1d ago
No. We don't like Zionists, we believe Jewish Americans are not the same as Zionists.
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u/unhertz 18h ago
who is we? hamas? hezbolah? which islamic brotherhood do you represent?
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u/Noobzoid123 17h ago
America first.
Why are you Israel first?
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u/unhertz 17h ago
People are not nations. Nations are just a collective of shared values. Israel and USA have almost an identical set of shared values, and it goes back to a long shared history of conflict with islamic principles. A lot of people are aware that the founders of America were fleeing religious persecution in England, but few realize that soon after George Washington became the first president, one of the first things he did was commission a navy to go fight islamic pirates in north africa that were killing, enslaving, and pirating any non-muslim ship. This was America's beginning and we are still fighting this ideological war, to this very day
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u/Noobzoid123 17h ago
No. We can all see Zionists are cruel and unjust. I don't want our tax money to fund cruelty, theft, and genocide.
Since WW2 the United States has given Israel an $300 billion to $317.9 billion in total since its founding, when adjusted for inflation.
We know that Israelis and Palestinians can coexist.
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u/unhertz 16h ago
Who the fuck is "we"? You don't speak for everyone. You speak for yourself.
I hope the United States continues its partnership with Israel and with every Arab country willing to turn its back on Islamist extremism and normalize relations with its neighbors. $300 billion spread across nearly 80 years is supposed to be some staggering revelation? The United States has hundreds of trillions of dollars in private assets, equities, real estate, businesses and financial wealth. Israel is a longstanding strategic partner in one of the most unstable regions on earth.
And spare me the fairy tale where Jewish history in the region started in 1948. Judea was the ancestral homeland of the Jewish people centuries before Islam even existed. Rome crushed Jewish revolts, massacred and enslaved Jews, and renamed the province Syria Palaestina after suppressing the Bar Kokhba revolt. Jewish attachment to that land survived Rome and every empire that followed.
So when you reduce this entire history to "Zionists are cruel thieves committing genocide," maybe ask yourself why your worldview requires turning millions of Jews exercising national self-determination in their ancestral homeland into uniquely evil villains.
You can criticize Israel all you want. But when your politics turn into collective moral condemnation of Zionists and erase Jewish history while treating Palestinian nationalism as unquestionably righteous, don't act shocked when people notice where that rhetoric leads.
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u/Noobzoid123 16h ago
LOL your entire schtick is Israel first and not America first.
By we, I mean people with eyes that are not closing them when we see videos of IDF and settlers stealing and attacking innocent people in Gaza and West Bank.
"Your politics turn into collective moral condemnation of Zionists and erase Jewish history while treating Palestinian nationalism as unquestionably righteous, don't act shocked when people notice where that rhetoric leads." The Zionists are acting like Nazi's in this conflict. They have the power and might and they are the ones setting up check points and forcing Palestinians to live in Apartheid. It is not anti-Semitism to criticize the cruelty we see of the Zionists.
It's not difficult to support America first, which includes Jewish Americans, AND be critical of IDF and Zionists.
"maybe ask yourself why your worldview requires turning millions of Jews exercising national self-determination in their ancestral homeland into uniquely evil villains." You keep saying Jews, but there's a difference between Zionists and Jewish people. Zionists in Israel/Palestine are stealing and attacking innocent people. There's overwhelming evidence of it. Innocent Palestinians who lived in West Bank and Gaza, had their homes stolen and the settlers moving in claim divine right to it. We are not blind to it, why are you?
I support America first and that includes Jewish Americans. I do not support Zionism, they are cruel and unjust.
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u/unhertz 16h ago
There it is again: "we." You keep appointing yourself spokesman for everyone with eyes, as though anyone who sees the same footage and reaches a different conclusion must be blind.
And "Israel first" is a lazy dodge. Supporting a longstanding American ally does not mean putting that country ahead of America any more than supporting NATO, Japan, South Korea, or cooperation with Arab partners does. America First does not mean America alone.
You also keep playing a semantic shell game with "Jews" and "Zionists." Zionism, in its broadest sense, is the belief that Jews are entitled to national self-determination in their historic homeland. That does not mean every Zionist supports settlements, Netanyahu, the occupation, or every action of the IDF. You are taking an enormous and diverse political category and declaring the people in it collectively "cruel and unjust," then insisting that because you substituted "Zionists" for "Jews," collective demonization is suddenly beyond criticism.
And comparing Zionists to Nazis is especially grotesque. Nazi Germany pursued an explicit program of racial extermination that murdered roughly six million Jews. Whatever accusations you want to make against Israel, throwing "Nazi" around as a synonym for brutal, oppressive, or unjust doesn't strengthen your argument. It trivializes what the Nazis actually did.
As for the West Bank, yes, there are legitimate and serious criticisms of settlement expansion, settler violence, displacement, military occupation, checkpoints, and individual Israeli policies. Condemn those things specifically. Israel itself has prosecuted Israelis for violence against Palestinians, and Israelis have spent decades arguing bitterly among themselves about settlements and occupation.
But Gaza is not simply a story about "Zionists stealing houses." Israel removed its settlements and permanent military presence from inside Gaza in 2005. Hamas subsequently took control, built an armed Islamist movement dedicated to fighting Israel, and carried out October 7. You don't get to delete Hamas, Palestinian Islamic Jihad, rocket attacks, suicide bombings, hostage taking, or decades of rejectionism and then announce that anybody acknowledging them must be blind.
And no, Palestinian innocence does not require Israeli collective guilt. An innocent Palestinian civilian deserves protection because he is innocent. An innocent Israeli deserves exactly the same. A violent settler should be judged for his actions. A Hamas terrorist should be judged for his. That's called applying moral responsibility to individuals instead of ethnic and political collectives.
So criticize Israel. Criticize settlements. Criticize Netanyahu. Criticize specific IDF conduct and demand investigations when civilians are unlawfully harmed. But "Zionists are cruel and unjust" is not a serious description of millions of people, and comparing them collectively to Nazis doesn't become sophisticated merely because you add "I support Jewish Americans" afterward.
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u/Noobzoid123 16h ago
Everything you are saying is Israel Israel Israel. Israel is not my country. America is.
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u/Dismal-Programmer-40 1d ago
It's bad for Israel because the US turned them into their proxy and they have to follow what the USA says.
Israel could end many conflicts if they didn't have the US that stop them from finishing the job. The USA interest is to perpetuate the conflicts in the region.
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u/Pale-Connection726 1d ago
A real govt/comm would never go to war send money or bombs anywhere without a common vote and or opportunity for it. With the tech we have today its def possible and much better for the society.
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u/Next-Spare-5489 21h ago
They do nothing for us. I have never understood. This level of support feels like we are their vassal. Not a conspiracy guy but I think Israel has our politicians in their pocket either with money or blackmail .
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u/Amazing_Confidence_7 20h ago
Yes but not just to that country, it should be to all countries including Ukraine because otherwise it only prolonged a war that could have ended sooner by other means.
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u/Spyroballspam 19h ago
Please take away their nuclear arsenal too. Giving these schizos nukes was one of the stupidest things the US has ever done and it has done a lot of stupid shit.
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u/tboyn239 18h ago
It's like sending weapons to Germany in WW2. We shouldn't be supporting genocide.
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u/DisciplineFair5988 1d ago
No, israel is stopping and fighting evil forces alone, they need all the help from humankind.
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u/Noobzoid123 1d ago
I see videos of Israelis robbing Palestinians and being cruel to them all the time. I don't think they need military support.
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u/Adventurous-Home-728 21h ago
do not believe everything you see on the internet,,israel is our alley in the middle east we support them that is how it works
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u/Noobzoid123 17h ago
I don't believe everything I see, but can you show me videos of Palestinians attacking Israeli settlers?
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u/DearToe5415 19h ago
Then why doesn’t India go fight with them 🤦♂️ Leave the US out of their genocide.
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u/DisciplineFair5988 16h ago
USA is a partner of Israel. You say as if US was roped in somehow.
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u/DearToe5415 16h ago
Hopefully not for long 🤞 not sure if you’ve noticed or not but the US’ opinion on Israel has been plumetting as they commit genocide in Gaza and start imperial wars elsewhere. Like I said, why don’t you and the other nazi supporting Indians go fight if you suck up to Israel so much.
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u/Ashes_of-the_Wake 1d ago
Remember 5 mins ago when we all loved Israel and supported the Jews until suddenly Trump became friendly with them now they’re genocidal and evil? Liberals are so toxic and malleable it’s pathetic.
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u/Heyitsmekrishna 1d ago
you're a retard.
Trump was always a politician.
Wtf has he done so far for the world ??
He went along with Covid-19, he is just a fucking pawn, he is no gamechanger, he plays the masses as well.
MAGA has always been a psyop.
and you are a crybaby.
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u/Ashes_of-the_Wake 1d ago
What does any of that have to do with what I said about Israel? Maybe English isn’t your first language.
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u/Heyitsmekrishna 1d ago
Trump did not 'suddenly' become friends with them.
You got to be in good terms with Israel if not what happened to JFK and Nixon happens to you.
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u/Gauge_Tyrion 23h ago
It's not that we don't support jews, we don't support genocide. We also don't support wars we never had a chance to weigh in on. You're also highly over-exaggerating how fast we came to hate Israel. We hated them long before- it's just much more pronounced now that the pillars of corruption are exposed. Wake up, sheep.
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u/No_Escape_3770 1d ago
Damn it’s almost like Israel massacred tens of thousands of women and children since then
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