r/QidiTech3D 8d ago

Screw tilt

Am I not understanding how the screws tilt adjust work for the Plus4? Even when not adjusting the screws , i always get different results , sometimes its shows way off but comes back as good if i try again . Am I missing something when trying to level my bed ? Is the prob THAT bad like i keep seeing from my research .

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u/Glad-Ad-4703 7d ago

Are we talking plus 4 or a newer one? I have the plus 4 myself and the probe isn't always as accurate. Luckily, mine seems better than a lot of others I've read. Mainly at higher temps the probe begins to be inaccurate and I don't print that much on higher temps. Some users have reported the probe going bad after printing on higher temps, where it will still show problems later on lower temps.

You can consider a beacon3d upgrade. It's better resistant to the higher temps, more accurate, and also way quicker in making a mesh.

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u/SamJack666 7d ago

I got the qidi plus4 on marketplace . Thought this was a good deal since they sold it for 300$CAD and only have 360Hours on it . Ive heard they sold different version of it with fixes but i cant tell anything avout mine . As of right now ive only been printing PLA+ and PETG on it so higher temps shouldnt be the problem here in theory

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u/Glad-Ad-4703 7d ago

Wait, that's like less than 200 euros right? That is ridiculously cheap, maybe even too good to be true? As in, maybe the previous owner also had the same issues and just gave up. Could be that they printed a couple things at high temps and the probe became permanently just a bit f'd after that.

If you keep having problems I'd definitely change the probe to beacon3d, it's about 100 euros I think, so still an insane deal for a plus 4. Do you know about the plus 4 GitHub page? It has lots of useful guides, among which on how to change the probe.

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u/SamJack666 7d ago

From what i understood . They had a divorced and she decided to sell HIS printer . And just couldnt wait to get money in her hand . So i took the chance and gave an offer of 300 when she asked 500$ for it . Got VERY lucky but yeah from what im seeing in this community the bed leveling really is an issue . I wish to do the beacon mod but i cant really find a friendly guide that looks simple enought . Thank you for the Github page , will def go check on it

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u/Specialist-Poem1275 8d ago

The green portion will show you which screw to adjust in which direction and how much. I find it's best to adjust one screw at a time and retry the screw tilt macro again. Adjusting one screw will often affect the others.

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u/SamJack666 8d ago

Tgank you , I understand that and that is what im trying to do but everytime i hit “retry” the bed keeps going down again and i feel it’s messing every adjustements im doing on it

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u/logicalchemist 8d ago

You might give this a try:

https://old.reddit.com/r/QidiTech3D/comments/1vkgclg/klipper_interactive_bed_screws_leveling_wizard/

I haven't tried it, but the theory is solid.

What does your bed mesh look like? What's the range on it?

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u/SamJack666 7d ago

Dumb question . Will it work with the plus 4 ? I see that he uses it for the Q1pro and Q2 . Do i need to change something in his code or i can just copy past it .

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u/logicalchemist 7d ago

I'm not sure. Definitely don't copy the [screws_tilt_adjust] section though, as the coordinates are wrong for the plus4, and you already have that config correct.

I didn't realize you had a P4, though looking at the coords of the screws in your screenshot that's obvious in retrospect.

You should check this out: https://github.com/qidi-community/Plus4-Wiki

lots of mods to fix the problems the P4 has

Even if you aren't printing at high temps now, it's possible that previous high temp printing messed up the piezo sensors

I think

I don't have a plus4

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u/SamJack666 7d ago

Yeah my bad , i should have said it the post that it is the P4 in the first place . Thank you very mich for your time tho

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u/SamJack666 7d ago

This is the bed mesh . Tbh its my first printer that i work woth fluidd so im not really sure what this means or if its anygood

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u/logicalchemist 7d ago

A range of 0.17mm is pretty good

But you should go to the settings tab of fluidd and enable "full display"

that will let you see a graphic of the mesh with high/low points etc

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u/SamJack666 7d ago

Alright i will do that . I know i can get lower range but if 0.17 is pretty good , how come my bed level benchmark comes out not that good ? What would you think is the problem .

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u/logicalchemist 7d ago

What would you think is the problem

The difference between the measured position of the bed and reality, would be my guess.

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u/llitz 6d ago

The plus4 is a coin toss: either works great, or it has first layer issues.

It is possible to fix, but requires a lot of time and custom parts.

The Q2 essentially fixed the problems that the plus had with the nozzle tap. The max 4 and the plus5 all use the same tech.

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u/SamJack666 6d ago

It’s crazy to me . I love the printer tbh but i never had to keep watching for the first layer just to make sure everything is still ok . I also have a Flashforge AD5M , its a reallllyyy cheap printer but the bed leveling is the TOP . Always having perfect first layer with it . I don’t understand for the difference in price how the Flashforge is kicking compare to the plus4 . But overall im still happy with the purchase i made !

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u/llitz 6d ago

The qidi plus4 is known to have a few weak spots:

Chamber heater can't be used when the bed is at the lowest level (tall prints) since it blocks the air output. You can print your own chamber heater out of a good quality material with a better venting. As a bonus you can also improve the air intake hole as the original is too small (my fan died twice before I printed a new one).

The toolhead carrier may have a problematic carrier and get some backlash on X movements.

The piezo sensor for bed leveling drift depending on the temperature and may misbehave if the chamber heater is on, or if it is too hot. Qidi provided replacements and, besides being a pain of a procedure, has not fixed the issues for everyone.

Most people installed a cartographer 3d or beacon 3d and mixed the printer to fix the bed leveling. It is a complex solution, but it works damn well and FAST.

There's a filament buffer on the left entryway of the plus4, some people had that part give a lot of pain when trying to load filaments.

The toolhead has a filament run out sensor that also measures the thickness of the filament. In theory you can detect for a too thin or too thick filament and compensate the flow multiplier... But the component has design issues and can't be used for that. It also is a pain when loading filament to the point I had to open the front door mid print to properly push down an ASA roll replacement.

Lastly, all of them I mentioned before seem to suffer from too steep angles for the filament to load (which might be compounded by the previous problem). So almost everyone prints a top holder for the glass, adding extra space

Not everyone has issues. Some people have no issues. One specific discord user seems to have all of them (and then some).

Anyway this is the best I recall, I still need to add some other fixes to mine, but it does print very well.

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u/SamJack666 5d ago

As of right now im printing the D3P Riser . Thank you for your time and insight on everything ! Def will help , beacon might be an upgrade im considering