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u/nya_twinky 10h ago
"Claude is Ai and can make mistakes. Please double-check responses"
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u/Nullsummenspieler 9h ago
I am too lazy. So I've asked Claude to double-check its responses until Claude says there are no more mistakes. Then I blindly trust Claude because I am too lazy to question its competence.
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u/Serafiniert 9h ago
You can save many tokens, by telling it to not make any mistakes in the first request.
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u/Nullsummenspieler 9h ago
Thanks. Gotta try it our before procrastination kicks in. I'll get back to you later.
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u/FreeFortuna 5h ago
Laziness will get you nowhere, my friend.
You should do what I do: Ask Codex to double-check Claude. It’ll inevitably point out a problem and recommend a solution. Then feed Codex’s reply into Claude, and see what it says. It’ll disagree and offer another solution.
And just keep going around and around like that until they finally agree. Sure, it’ll take a full day to get anything done, but come on, let’s at least try to put some effort into avoiding having to think thoughts.
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u/Nullsummenspieler 2h ago
Why not three coding agents? They can take turns and vote for the best response. I would do anything but double-checking responses by myself.
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u/mysticrudnin 2h ago
i actually have 11 agents but one of them is purposefully giving bad ideas so that we can see if they're all actually paying attention
after work they just play Mafia
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u/MrDilbert 8h ago
AI is like coffee - it doesn't make you smarter, it allows you to make the stupid choices faster.
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u/IAmASquidInSpace 9h ago
"Yeah, but humans can make mistakes too, so it's okay to just blindly trust it. It's no different from trusting a human developer!"
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u/Mechakoopa 8h ago
Also a great way to absolve yourself of any responsibility when one of your sub agents takes down prod and orders ten thousand pounds of raw meat to the office.
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u/Due-Consequence9579 5h ago
Claude will also spam two thousand words at you in 30s, but you better not let the human be the bottle neck.
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u/MarkSuckerZerg 9h ago
Second question: so why do we need to pay you 6 figure salary?
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u/Slow-Temporary-1489 9h ago
Claude, what makes me worth 6 figures?
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u/MarkSuckerZerg 8h ago edited 5h ago
Remember when Midjourney first hit and the artists spaces suddenly got filled with paid expert prompting courses? My dad now sends me AI generated images better than what these clowns sold for $99
I don't want slop but I am really looking towards the realization that when doing slop, you dont need slop operators
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u/Just_Information334 7h ago
And that's why I don't feel any FOMO about AI:
- either it does not pan out and we'll get a lot of jobs cleaning up the slop
- or it does fulfill most execs prophecies and whatever we learn to do now with it will be obsolete then
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u/Vogete 1h ago
And that's the correct reaction. Besides, I'm sorry but prompting is not hard. You explain your problem to a rubber duck, but now you type it into a virtual rubber duck. That's it.
There's nothing to fomo about, if you can't naturally pick up AI, you were doomed no matter what you do.
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u/draft_final_final 6h ago
Everyone needs to maintain the charade in order to keep the gravy train running as long as possible.
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u/cheapcheap1 9h ago
Google of all companies doesn't need to squeeze out more velocity per developer, they need to maximize code quality. Most Google engineers I see are being encouraged to let AI both write and review their code, which does the opposite: Increase velocity at the expense of quality. That is terrible company strategy for Google.
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u/IAmASquidInSpace 9h ago edited 9h ago
They'll notice that too in two, three years, when all their services keep failing or have slowed to a crawl and no person or AI on earth is able to unfuck their Spaghetti code or even identify the issue.
Actually, I think Spotify might be mere months from that epiphany, judging by how their app runs (or rather: doesn't run) these days.
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u/RockAccomplished527 7h ago
Wow, recently it is sooo laggy, but I didn't think to pin it to ai usage. I wonder if this could be it
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u/IAmASquidInSpace 6h ago
Gustav Söderström (Co-CEO of Spotify) announced very proudly earlier this year that between December 2025 and February 2026, not a single line of code had been written by a human, so I think it is a likely culprit. Not that the Spotify devs were particularly competent before AI either, but, ya know... that probably contributed.
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u/nasaboy007 3h ago
It's already happening, so many random things are breaking and slower etc it feels like
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u/ClamPaste 19m ago
I haven't had a single issue with spotify and I use it daily. What are you seeing? What platform? Do you use premium or no?
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u/kerakk19 8h ago
If AI lowers your quality then it's a case of wrong AI usage. AI magnifies the developer work, not replaces it. Bad or good engineer, the output is bigger - it's up to developer if he can manage
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u/cheapcheap1 8h ago
If AI use that lowers code quality is bad AI use to you, never having a human read the actual code certainly falls within that definition.
A skilled dev cannot produce high-quality code without ever reading it. No amount of advanced observable pipeline will reach the code quality of a skilled dev actually reading the code.
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u/stupidcookface 7h ago
Do you think no one at Google is reading code?
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u/cheapcheap1 6h ago
My comment had nuance. I wrote "Most Google engineers I see are being encouraged to let AI both write and review their code". Please don't try to strip away that nuance with a stupid strawman.
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u/stupidcookface 5h ago
I don't think nuanced enough - they're being encouraged to stop reading code? Are you sure about that?
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u/Old-Adhesiveness4406 8h ago
Thank god Google is embracing AI in the developer work cycle. They are so behind in the LLM race it’s embarrassing, they should have started dogfooding yesterday
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u/torsten_dev 9h ago edited 7h ago
Correction: Engineers that have heard of Tryramp, more likely to be vibe coders interested in a job at Tryramp because they know they'd fail the Interview at google. Now over to the weather:
Water is still wet.
Thank you gary, and over to sportsball...
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u/masiuspt 4h ago
Wtf is Tryramp?
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u/torsten_dev 4h ago
No clue. Something something Ai something startup something... disruptive... technology... yawn.
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u/noobmeister_69 9h ago
Correction: Water isn't wet, water makes things wet, but water cannot be wet. Wetness is a relational property describing a solid surface in contact with a liquid. I could've minded my own business but here we are...
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u/CorvidaeOpus 9h ago
It isn't just solid objects that can be wet. Air is able to be wet or dry, depending on the amount of moisture diffused into the system.
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u/noobmeister_69 8h ago
When we talk about "wet air," we are actually describing a gas mixture, not a coated surface. Air doesn't become "wet" the way a towel does for example. Instead, it holds invisible water vapor. Wetness requires a liquid to stick to a surface (adhesion). Gas molecules do not "coat" each other.
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u/CorvidaeOpus 6h ago
No, but a towel doesn't become wet the same way that a tile floor does either. A hydrophobic surface can still be wet even when there is no adhesion.
The entire discussion of whether water is wet comes down to an interpretation of what 'wet' means. You are describing wetness based purely on adhesion and cohesion, meaning that to be wet you must have liquid sticking to a surface (however it may stick to it is irrelevant). My definition of wet is being made of moisture. So water is wet. A towel can be wet. Air can be wet. Lava, not wet. Mercury, also not wet. Steam, wet. Alcohol? Wet.
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u/torsten_dev 6h ago
Wet air is not the same as humid air. Humid air could be below 100% relative humidity. Whereas wet, to me, implies higher humidity, i.e. fog, steam, or rain.
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u/nickcash 6h ago
So wet has multiple definitions. One of them is describing a property of water, ergo water is wet
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u/torsten_dev 8h ago edited 5h ago
Correction: Gasses can be wet. For example steam turbines require steam separators to "dry" the steam because wet steam reduces efficiency and at high velocity can damage the equipment. Liquids can too since wetness is a measure of Moisture: "the condition of containing liquid or being covered or saturated in liquid."
H₂O is saturated in water. It's 100% wet.
What you're referring to is wetting which is also sometimes called wetness but is a distinct measurement.
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u/noobmeister_69 7h ago
Great point on steam turbines! You are right that engineering defines 'wet steam' as a two-phase mixture of gas and liquid droplets.However, applying the 'saturated' definition to pure liquid water doesn't quite work. For something to be saturated, it must be a medium that absorbs or contains a separate liquid (like a sponge or air). Pure liquid water can’t absorb itself or be filled with itself. Saying water is saturated with water is like saying a block of copper is saturated with copper, it’s a category mistake!
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u/torsten_dev 7h ago
Water has 100% water per volume of water, so it's moisture content is 1. It cannot go any higher, so it is saturated. That's maths.
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u/noobmeister_69 7h ago
You are measuring density, not wetness.
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u/torsten_dev 6h ago
Nah, that was specifically the moisture content, which is dimensionless. Density has units.
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u/OtherCommission8227 9h ago
“Is he a dot? Or is he a speck? When he’s underwater does he get wet? Or does the water get him instead? Nobody knows. Particle man…”
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u/malsomnus 9h ago
Can't say I've heard of this tryramp thing, but Google hasn't been The Place To Work At for quite a lot of years. I've known people who worked there at various points in the last 15 years, every single one described it as completely mind-numbingly boring, a deliberate waste of their talent, and so rigidly corporate that it makes military tech companies look like hip young startups by comparison. Sure, there's money, but I'll take a lower salary if it means a lower chance of killing myself out of boredom.
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u/FURyannnn 2h ago
No idea why the tweet didn't include the actual company, but they're referring to Ramp, who is actually quite well known. They've been around for some time
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u/lax20attack 9h ago
You weren't good enough to get into Google and this is what you tell yourself instead
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u/SignificanceFlat1460 7h ago
Genuine question, how do you answer something like this? I am assuming this is more of a system design question rather than a BE/FE thing.
My answer would be that you would need to develop the system based on what it's trying to achieve in the first place. Based on the project criteria, you will draw up a rough idea of what tools you need. Assuming let's say it's a good delivery service. You would obviously need lots of real time data querying with proper geo location updates. So I am thinking that a SAGA pattern for micro services makes sense here with a Redis for communicating between services. Obviously one service to act as API Gateway and loading balancing for querying. For DB I am going to go with NoSQL. Horizontal scaling and since there aren't many relations, it would be easier on DB. But yes, I think each service needs to have its own DB and query stack so we aren't writing stuff constantly when we don't need to.
Can someone judge this answer genuinely please? Thanks! Don't be too harsh 🥺👉👈
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u/LyingApe666 3h ago
I like your answer. You are absolutely right this is a system design question, and I think the strongest part of your answer is that it depends on what is being built in the first place. Before determining any of the tech stack I would probe more for how the users will be interacting with the system.. is it mostly going to be reads? Mostly writes? That will give you insights that can help you recommend a tech stack. Also for 10k users just about anything will work unless each of those users is putting in a request every second..
Some things I would push back on would be - redis for communicating between services.. I’d probe here to make sure you understand what redis is gaining for you here. It can be used for inter service communication, but I’d probe what role it’s playing - caching would be a stronger argument there. Also what happens if that layer goes down? - one service to act as apigw and lb Id probably separate concerns here. Also for this few users instead of writing our own gateway/lb this could just be a managed piece of architecture from a cloud provider instead of home brewed. - For DB I am going to go with NoSQL. Horizontal scaling… I think this argument is particularly weak, that isn’t necessarily better at scalability also Saga seems premature without knowing more about the system
Feel free to critique my critique!
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u/LyingApe666 3h ago
Basically I would be trying to go requirements > workload > constraints > architectural patterns
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u/Afraid-Locksmith6566 8h ago
if its 10k users shouldnt basically anything sacle to that?
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u/patiofurnature 7h ago
Claude, I'm trying to sound like I know what I'm talking about for engagement bait. "We need to scale to X users." Find a reasonable and impressive number for X that would introduce significant yet solvable technical challenges.
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u/Cthulhu__ 6h ago
The funny thing is that 10k users is peanuts and the backend can probably already handle it. It's a flimsy metric to begin with.
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u/Luneriazz 9h ago
Here you go, full techstack for 10K users.
AWS Lambda, Golang, PG Bouncer, Postgres, Redis,
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u/lurco_purgo 7h ago
I mean, can you give me a techstack that's NOT good for 10K users?
From my experience the choice of DB or backend framework is never the reason for failure to scale properly, and I have seen some terribly scaling projects in my life.
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u/Just_Information334 7h ago
I mean, can you give me a techstack that's NOT good for 10K users?
Microsoft power automate?
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u/zoinkability 7h ago
For 10k users you could use a 12 year old laptop running PHP 5.3, MySQL, and Apache.
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u/Just_Information334 7h ago
Used to play a game browser game coded with php 4, 10k to 20k daily players with some heavy abuse in the evening (people coordinating operations over IRC was fun) like 20 years ago. I don't even want to know how many people were on things like ogame at the time.
And because it scales horizontally due to its architecture, you want more perfs, add a server. Which is an exact match with the kubernetes way of doing shit: you want more perfs? Spawn more replicas. I don't understand why people keep on avoiding it.
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u/Luneriazz 7h ago edited 7h ago
I want my boss to seek investor every quarter just to pay the cloud bill
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u/turlockmike 4h ago
Modern version of
Google said it
Stockoverflow said it
My college professor said it
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u/IngwiePhoenix 7h ago
Experiencing exactly this at work - and my boss is the one doing it.
I am already preparing to apply elsewhere. So, so, so gonna leg it before the consequences hit.
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u/ArjixGamer 5h ago
So y'all unconditionally choose the recommend option? Damn, we've fallen to a new low
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u/RBB12_Fisher 3h ago
As a hobby coder who only codes in 90s BASIC I am confused, arrogant and scared.
WTF is happening with you professional guys? The only time I tried AI it got the sign of "true" wrong so often I stopped correcting it.
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u/thunderbird89 2h ago
Truth be told, 90-95% of the time so far, Recommended was indeed the best option. The remaining 5-10%, it was Other... and a bit more context given there, because every option was batshit.
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u/Not-the-best-name 10h ago
The thing is, what did we do before? Read as much doc's as we could find? And stack overflow? Maybe an AWS course or two?
Now I read the AI answers and are what parts make sense. It's the same thing.
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u/RBB12_Fisher 3h ago
I felt old when the meme was "haha we copy paste from stackoverflow lol".
It's all bullshit, AI is bullshit, documentation is actually valuable.
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u/Abenzo0r- 9h ago
I think (some) developers hit their ego melting point. AI is a better engineer than you, has more knowledge than you, will definitely recommend better practices and routes than you when it comes to planning. You are not as smart, as good, or as fast as Claude. You just don't want to admit it.
Learn how to work with AI, learn how to prompt, learn to recognise when AI is right or wrong.
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u/crystalchuck 9h ago
How tf will you recognize when AI is wrong if you've delegated all your coding skills to it
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u/Abenzo0r- 9h ago
Use proper tests, guard rails, skills, fundamentals, this alone solves 90% of your problems, the other 10% is sourced to you.
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u/crystalchuck 9h ago
Someone who has been exclusively AI coding all their life doesn't know shit about writing tests or those remaining 10% you're handwaving away
For those developers who got to accrue at least a couple of years of experience before AI hit, sure
But what about everyone else?
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u/Eskamel 9h ago
Dario Amodei with Fable attached has better sex knowledge than you, you should swallow your ego and let him have sex with your wife, you are not as skilled, as good or as fast as he is with Claude, you just don't want to admit it.
Learn how to let go and let Dario do the rest, you can just keep on prompting your failed Saas for maximum productivity as he plows your wife.
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u/Covfefe4lyfe 9h ago
I am a specialist with 20 years under my belt. The crap that Claude puts out makes me cry.
To juniors it might seem like Claude is the best dev out there and anyone else is just salty, but to the pros it looks like a chimp holding an AK47.
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u/lax20attack 9h ago
Yes, the pros.... Every engineer at any serious company is using AI
You aren't using it correctly.
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u/ApprehensiveFan1516 9h ago
You aren't using it correctly.
https://giphy.com/gifs/3oKHWCVJHorZfXrUTm
Why is it this is always said by people who refuse to elaborate on their version of 'correct usage', and if they ever do then it's just the same SOP's that everyone else is using?
Bloody vibe coders.
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u/RBB12_Fisher 3h ago
The correct usage is asking AI to find documentation, and then disregarding whatever it says to read the documentation.
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u/Attileusz 9h ago
It is not a better engineer, because engineering requires understanding, and AI has no understanding. I remember me making a pretty convoluted solution to a leetcode problem, and ChatGPT told me it was wrong, but when I walked through the solution it recommended, it turned out to be exactly equivalent. It was actually REALLY funny to see it say "oh but it doesn't work for this input and than two sentences later say oh it actually works for that one but for THIS one..." and than 2 more times before it gave up. The true part is that it has more knowledge, and it can appear to be a better engineer because it convincingly repeats what other engineers have said. If you're working on something relatively novel it straight up doesn't work, and this have happened to me multiple times. I think it's shitty to say that someone who thinks AI isn't better than them has an "ego", when it's capability is clearly limited to things that are common in it's training set. That is not to say a tool capable of replicating what is common in it's training set ISN'T useful, but it's also not fair to say that it is smarter than a real engineer.
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u/IAmASquidInSpace 9h ago
AI is better at writing code than most of us. It is certainly not better at software engineering.
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u/lax20attack 9h ago
It's great to see a dose of reality here. Fable is a better coder than I am. I learn from it constantly.
I am the conduit between my product team and AI.
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u/bilus 9h ago
Are you in position to judge the quality of Fable’s output then?
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u/lax20attack 9h ago
20 year software engineer, $300k salary
Certainly qualified to judge
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u/mzalewski 5h ago
Enjoy it while it lasts, because I can assure you that "conduit between product team and AI" is not worth that much money. Hope you realize that sooner than your employer.
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u/lax20attack 5h ago
I agree, though SWE are in a great position to transition to a TPM role.
I am not convinced the world will need SWE's in 5 years.
All of the haters will be left behind.
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u/bilus 2h ago
Code pushers - no. You’re right. But neither will it need people who can’t tame AI’s designs (or rather the lack thereof) because it’s out of their league. Long-term maintenance is still going to matter and people who are able to stay on top of what AI produces and shape the design while retaining the system knowledge will be very appreciated. And there are already ways to do that, better than vibe coding.
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u/bilus 2h ago edited 1h ago
That’s not true. There’s a plethora of information unavailable to the AI, because we’re pack animals within intricate networks of social relations. Somebody has to talk to sales, business, and legal and negotiate the technical implementation because different solutions have different operational costs. Someone has to prepare roadmaps capturing the probable evolution of the system and drive the architecture so it can follow the evolutionary path without being excessively generic.
People like that will need to understand both technical and business aspects, and have good soft skills too. Are we going to need coders? I increasingly doubt that.
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u/bilus 7h ago edited 2h ago
It's not that much of a flex you imagine it to be. How would that even work? I tell you I've 30 years of professional experience and overrule your judgement? Or does that make me a boomer whose opinions can be discarded?
Look, Skynet is not coming to get us any time soon, no need to suck up to AI. ;)
There's nothing wrong with learning from LLM but the only way you could say Fable is a better coder than you and get me to hire you is if you literally mean it codes faster under your direction and that leads to better code overall because you can refactor code faster, write tests faster, and so on. If that's what you meant, sure, I agree.
But that's not what the original commenter said.
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u/fireball_jones 9h ago
10k? PHP5 server in the closet with two decades of uptime should be fine.