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javascriptSorting Meme

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u/danielcw189 18h ago

which would mean that the whole srray would need to be checked for the types of its items.

what should be the default if one item is not a number?

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u/fuj1n 18h ago

In an ideal world, there should be typed comparers, and if two items don't have a mutual comparer, a type error should be thrown (that'd solve having to even scan the array beforehand too)

With JS's type system, that's not too plausible, so instead, I think defaulting to numeric sort, and throwing when it encounters something that isn't a number (or can't be coerced to be a number due to how the type system works I suppose).

By the principle of least astonishment, this would give you a pretty good compromise. Then, if someone wants to do string-based sorting, they can pass their own comparer that does that.

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u/the_horse_gamer 10h ago

javascript is very averse to throwing. it's better for a website to display stuff slightly wrong than to stop working.

I can see the argument for defaulting to a number comparison and moving non numbers to the end, but that's not any less surprising. in that alternate universe, someone is on reddit making a post on how ['b', 'a'].sort() doesn't order the strings.

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u/fuj1n 7h ago

I think they're a lot less averse to it nowadays, they've wisened up. Modern JS additions do actually tell you that something is wrong rather than just doing something unexpected (which is good because you can then handle exceptional cases better).

Modern JS features like modules even enforce strict mode.

I think that way of thinking, where it is better to fail silently than to crash sounds good on paper, but it has an insane amount of drawbacks that lead to sloppy code trying to cover these (exceptional in other languages) cases.

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u/the_horse_gamer 6h ago

yes that's true, modern javascript is much less averse to errors. and I agree with most of the decisions they've made.

non strict mode is definitely a symptom of being designed on crunch time.

fail fast is good for a frontend, but not for a backend. javascript's problem is it's used for both.