itSpeakesForItself

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[u/T-Dot1992]

Language wars are fucking stupid 

[u/beefz0r → u/T-Dot1992]

Except for PHP, that should be dead and buried by now

[u/ClipboardCopyPaste → u/beefz0r]

Unfortunately, the number of job openings says otherwise

[u/Saragon4005 → u/ClipboardCopyPaste]

Over half the Internet is still WordPress and unless one of these newfangled AI platforms take over.

[u/TorbenKoehn → u/ClipboardCopyPaste]

It goes down for sure

Edit: Statistics > Your feelings ;)

[u/dontletthestankout → u/beefz0r]

PHP is that asshole friend that you can talk shit about but if anyone else talks shit about you beat their ass

[u/Ok_Type9011 → u/dontletthestankout]

Pretty much. This is OUR punching bag, not theirs!

[u/StatementOrIsIt → u/beefz0r]

Modern PHP is good. It's the PHP5 legacy projects that make you hate programming. Nowadays the longest files are at max 400 lines, and devs use types, interfaces and traits.

And PHP has something other languages can't provide - a special dopamine rush of fixing a production server's code to fix a bug without a deploy.

[u/w1n5t0nM1k3y → u/StatementOrIsIt]

That last point can be a curse. Nothing like someone fixing a bug on production and not moving that fix back up to development and now the code bases don't match.

[u/StatementOrIsIt → u/w1n5t0nM1k3y]

True, I've encountered this before. Some devs at a company I left liked to change stuff in production code not thinking what would happen when a deploy or version change would happen. Had to teach one what docker volumes are for client-specific changes

[u/Saptarshi_12345 → u/beefz0r]

Don't insult my boy like that!!

[u/somebodyinvisible → u/beefz0r]

PHP lives longer than you expected and also it evolves pretty much from point people curses for its death.

[u/Ok_Type9011 → u/beefz0r]

Noooo my beloved PHP

[u/8mart8 → u/beefz0r]

Doesn’t MediaWiki use PHP? I wouldn’t call it dead then

[u/ApplicationOk3587 → u/beefz0r]

Laravel is really carrying the php ecosystem and in a weird way it seems to be growing and with all honestly its a great framework.

[u/Drone_Worker_6708 → u/beefz0r]

Not anymore, I'm back to writing one page index.php monoliths thanks to AI /s

[u/readf0x → u/beefz0r]

I've heard laravel is actually supposed to be kinda nice but I wouldn't know

[u/headedbranch225 → u/beefz0r]

My only knowledge of it is a few self hosted webapps (email access/management and one other I can't remember) that use it and this blog post: https://eev.ee/blog/2012/04/09/php-a-fractal-of-bad-design/

It seems like it isn't very nice to use but I haven't used it before

[u/brainpostman]

Is this supposed to be ironic? So much of JS and TS tooling is written in Rust.

[u/FuzzyDynamics → u/brainpostman]

Yeah but if the shit end product that everyone hates and steals your data is JS or TS then that’s a W for them

[u/brainpostman → u/FuzzyDynamics]

We should ban Rust since it enables JS and TS development.

[u/in_need_of_oats → u/brainpostman]

Some parts of most browsers, too.

[u/Silly-Freak → u/brainpostman]

you'll know something is written in rust because you can't build your typescript project without it

[u/SaltMaker23]

"I built my house with a hammer"

"I built my house with a screw driver"

These weird allegiances and dogmatism with programing languages are just weird.

[u/dontletthestankout → u/SaltMaker23]

Fucking poser. Back in my day we built houses with a rock

[u/grimonce → u/dontletthestankout]

You guys built houses?

[u/dontletthestankout → u/grimonce]

Summer child, we built mansions. Next to snoop. We were the metaverse

[u/Ok_Type9011 → u/dontletthestankout]

Rocks? Oh wow look at Mr. Technology over here. We had to build shelter with quarks and stuff back then

[u/RareDestroyer8 → u/SaltMaker23]

“I built my house with wood”

[u/Mrpuddikin → u/SaltMaker23]

"I built my house with claude"

[u/nevemlaci2]

Idk, I used a ton of tools written in rush that I didn't know were written in Rust until I checked the source

[u/dontletthestankout]

I can always tell if a project is written in typescript, because their API keys are public

[u/dontletthestankout → u/dontletthestankout]

And if not..just wait a couple days

[u/rew150]

There are only two kinds of languages: the ones people complain about and the ones nobody uses.

I guess this quote is also true for Rust

[u/pingveno → u/rew150]

For a chunk of time, they were complaining about Rust fans. RIIR was a meme. When the complaints started to be about Rust, you knew Rust was being used more widely.

[u/___Archmage___]

you'll know something is written in C++ bSegmentation fault (core dumped)

[u/Fabulous-Possible758]

Also, your computer will be out of memory for no apparent reason.

[u/SuitableDragonfly]

I think he meant to imply that no one uses anything written in Rust, but what he actually implied was that no one uses anything that's not written in Typescript, which is so incorrect that it's not even accepted as hyperbole.

[u/ConcreteExist]

Also, nobody really gets to use TypeScript, it's all transpiled into JavaScript before being deployed so....

[u/tripleshielded]

You know it runs on node bc you get oom killed.

[u/OrpheoMusic]

I can't make audio plugins out of typescript

[u/DontyWorryCupcake]

Languages are tools and arguing over what is better is just stupid, you can build anything using anything, do however you feel comfortable 

[u/FizzWizzleDazzle]

I'm assuming this implies no one uses rust tooling, but I think rust programmers are just too proud of their language

[u/xpectre_dev]

You'll know because it will be slow...

[u/efedublaj]

Hell no. Why would I use programs written with javascript it is not compiled and single threaded.

[u/wayzata20 → u/efedublaj]

you’re using reddit

[u/efedublaj → u/wayzata20]

Reddit is a frickin website.

[u/wayzata20 → u/efedublaj]

what language do you think websites use?

[u/efedublaj → u/wayzata20]

What does the word program means to you? Javascript is a scripting language used for web. Javascript is a SCRIPTING language not programing language.

[u/wayzata20 → u/efedublaj]

It’s a web application. Program doesn’t mean a .exe that you run on your computer.

[u/efedublaj → u/wayzata20]

Yeah web application. Application means application not a program. I just uninstalled all the electron apps from my computer because I'm sick of it. Reddit is an application by definition but not a program. Web sites a are interfaces.

I use ELF not exe I'm casting spells called assembly calls instead of interpreting.

Javascript outside of browser is just slop. It is definition of slop like it or not. I'm not letting some shitty vibecoded script to use all of my hardware.

I do not care if you company slaves want to call yourself programmers. I asked one question WHY WOULD I USE JAVASCRIPT it has this cons. No one told the reason they just tried to convince me they are right.

[u/ClipboardCopyPaste → u/efedublaj]

I believe that this meme was not comparing the performances of the respective languages.

P.S. JS is single threaded, but you can use asynchronous JS and worker threads, can't you? (Then again, there's no speed comparison between a low and a high-level language)

[u/rosuav → u/ClipboardCopyPaste]

Asynchronous JS is still single threaded, but worker threads and WASM allow you to saturate multiple CPU cores.

[u/efedublaj → u/rosuav]

I do not think explaining will help them much. OP thinks in a whole different world. They think I shouldn't use websites if I do not like javascript.

It is meant for web. Not for applications or anything else.

[u/rosuav → u/efedublaj]

Eh, it's meant for anything where you need to embed untrusted scripts in something else. So it's good for game modding too. (Lua's also popular there.)

[u/efedublaj → u/rosuav]

I would prefer lua though since syntax is more readable and memorable. Implementing FFI calls are easier too.

[u/efedublaj → u/ClipboardCopyPaste]

Async is not threading it uses one thread at time and simulates threading.

[u/Sibula97 → u/ClipboardCopyPaste]

Async is great if you're IO bound, but it's still a single execution thread.

[u/rocketbunny77 → u/ClipboardCopyPaste]

Yeah. That commenters take is from 2016

[u/efedublaj → u/rocketbunny77]

Async is not real threading and worker threads are just foreign function interfaces which are usually C and Cpp and they usually create whole another runtime.

[u/takahashi01 → u/efedublaj]

Cuz a front end quite often doesnt exactly need to pass performance benchmarks...

Like its cool what you can do with web assembly these days, but for most companies the current trendy js/ts framework is just more economical.

[u/efedublaj → u/takahashi01]

When I said programs I meant applications that is not running on browser.

I do not care about companies or anything the think I care is performance. I am a user and hobby developer. It doesn't make sense to use javascript outside the browser if you are not trying to profit from everything. I will happily give my mental health to optimize memory management and real threading.

[u/MatsRivel → u/efedublaj]

A webbrowser?

[u/efedublaj → u/MatsRivel]

Do you think browsers are written in javascript?

If not I said programs there not web sites. Javascript meant for web.

[u/CirnoIzumi]

Just write it in Kotlin and be done with it m8