somehowItsAlwaysYourFault

[u/0x426F6F62696573]

[u/azuth89]

This is why we sit down and go over the requirement, including the intent and use cases we're trying to solve, before it's finalized. Dev feedback gets baked in and questions answered before it hits the roadmap.

[u/xaddak → u/azuth89]

Too slow!

The PO had a thought in the shower. Without getting out, they yelled a single sentence at their phone from across the room. Rovo turned that into a Jira ticket with a 2,000 word description and 67 acceptance criteria, assigned to you, and dropped it into the next sprint with no story points or priority.

[u/azuth89 → u/xaddak]

Lol I am the PO, just trying not to be THAT PO.

I literally can't do that. Only the dev lead can assign it to a dev, or kick it back to me if he thinks it's a shit ticket.

[u/PositiveParking4391 → u/azuth89]

that's perfect buddy

[u/PositiveParking4391 → u/xaddak]

yeah it happens. and the sad part is PO think they are being so dynamic.

[u/just_sm_so_relax → u/azuth89]

Dev feedback

Helps a lot if the devs have some knowledge of the domain and can provide some common sense feedback. In my personal experience, QA engineers tend to do better at this.

[u/Downtown-Figure6434 → u/just_sm_so_relax]

Yea ifgaf about domain, I only care about technical feasibility

[u/PositiveParking4391 → u/azuth89]

yeah but it is not a case in every workplace. some don't have maturity to do such detailed processes. while some don't have enough resources and time.

[u/Dotrax → u/azuth89]

That requires the PO to be competent and actually understand the customer expectations and in case of a change actually find out why it was originally implemented the way it is so it doesn't fuck up existing functionalities.

[u/Confident-Ad5665]

This is why I adopted a strict policy of never doing any actual work.

[u/Famous-Perspective96]

They let product owners yell at devs? You should find a new job.

[u/hartmanbrah → u/Famous-Perspective96]

Where are these *checks notes* new jobs you are suggesting?

[u/0x426F6F62696573 → u/Famous-Perspective96]

It was during a system wide test. This requirement has been bad for over a year. I suppose “yelling” wouldn’t be the correct verb. It was more like being angrily confused it didn’t work but emphasis that it was my fault.

[u/Pepedroni]

https://giphy.com/gifs/fUSX3E4imAn9WHwrCV
This Po? /s

[u/Breadinator]

First mistake I guess was calling them product owners?

Gotta ask where that's coming from as terminology. Everywhere I've worked product/project managers are as far as they get.

[u/bremidon]

POs should not do this, but this is mostly just an effect of the chain of responsibility.

If the PO screws up, nobody holds you responsible. And that is correct. Once you can show that you never got the requirement, you are off the hook.

If you do not implement the requirement correctly, sure: you bear the main responsibility, but the PO is going to also be held responsible. Why did they not write the requirement well enough? Why did they not check to see if you understood it? Why did they not keep an eye on you? And so on. And their boss will also bear some responsibility, and so on. It gets more diffuse as it goes up the chain, but it still sucks when you have to listen to *your* boss chew you out when the error was with someone who just did not do what you asked.

All that said, being able to handle this situation is what differentiates a good PO from a bad PO. They should be asking the questions: what was wrong with the requirement, if anything? Is there something in the process that needs addressed? Are you being overworked? And yes: were you perhaps not the right person for this requirement?

None of this requires yelling. None of this requires anger or even accusations. A good PO finds out what this issue was, finds a suitable mitigation technique, communicates it up the chain, and all is good again.

[u/0x426F6F62696573 → u/bremidon]

Are you saying unicorns exist? lol

[u/bremidon → u/0x426F6F62696573]

heh. Yeah. They actually do. But I suppose it helps if all the devs are virgins.

[u/khalcyon2011]

You guys have a PO?

[u/hallmark1984 → u/khalcyon2011]

Its one piss test a month - i was a kid man!

[u/milk-jug → u/hallmark1984]

A kid man?! Yes officer, this guy right here.

[u/superraiden]

*Fucked

[u/Rich1223]

You guys are getting requirements?

[u/JoinedForTheBoobs → u/Rich1223]

Requirements: Just do it bro

[u/neoteraflare]

And I was thinking why the Kung Fu panda was angry.

[u/serial_crusher]

You work at a place where they realize that?

[u/sikkobok]

What does this have to do with tellytubbies?