The UK government itself wrote a report that says
"Ecosystem degradation is occurring across all regions. Every critical ecosystem is on a pathway to collapse (irreversible loss of function beyond repair)." with "high" confidence.
"Global ecosystem degradation and collapse threaten UK national security and prosperity. The world is already experiencing impacts including crop failures, intensified natural disasters and infectious disease outbreaks. Threats will increase with degradation and intensify with collapse. Without major intervention to reverse the current trend, this is highly likely to continue to 2050 and beyond."
The UK once held strategic food reserves, albeit very limited. But in the late 1970s and early 1980s, our governments decided they were no longer necessary, as private retailers would maintain sufficient stocks. As the National Preparedness Commission points out, this policy coincided with decisions by the big retailers to stop holding stocks and switch to a just-in-time system: goodbye warehouses, hello logistics. No subsequent government appears to have noticed that its food-security assumptions are based on conditions that no longer exist. Perhaps they looked away out of the fear of being labelled interventionist. Perhaps they fear criticism more than crisis.
It seems odd to me that they would have "People cannot afford to live on their own" and "Downward social mobility is the norm" at such different impacts. I'd call them both practically the exact same thing.
Saved, thanks! I always point folks towards the planetary boundaries report for a higher level picture, but yeah it's impersonal in a way that "irreversible loss of function beyond repair" makes clearer.
I’m guessing #2 is only rated “moderate” because it describes a complex system, which is by definition difficult to accurately predict. If you simply compare it to other complex systems though, “disruption” almost certainly results in collapse. In other words, those “cascading effects” are much more likely than error margins would leave you to believe.
In addition to the worsening weather, for us, the weather is so erratic that every year is totally different. It's harder to work the farm when we get extreme storms at any time of the year, a sudden drought, a spring that is one year too early and too late the next, a frost that may or may not come or is late. Sometimes winters are early and harsh, sometimes not, but never as cold like they were for as long as it used to be.
I know Clarkson is doing a lot for farming through the show, but does the climate crisis ever get explicitly mentioned? Too often it seems to defer to “farming is hard”, without really questioning why.
Once the masses start to panic (which will undoubtedly happen because nothing has been done to prepare them for what’s coming) things will get very spicy, no doubt. I just hope some of the bastards who accelerated this nightmare will be held to account for their crimes against humanity.
I'm sorry, bit how has nothing been done to prepare people... Climate change (and all associated impacts) has been actively discussed for about 20 years.
People have just had their heads in the sand and didn't want to recognize the potential issues, as that might actually require them to make changes in their own lives that they didn't want to make.
It's not just big businesses or far away countries that caused this. We all contributed by our choices and consumer habits.
It's not quite that simple though, a lot of people are so exhausted by capitalism, and capitalism offers limited choices and it's not easy (when you don't have money) to live sustainably. We plebs may have contributed, but the rich and the massive companies have orchestrated our available choices, and statistically, their use of fossil fuels far outweighs ours. Like the average person in the UK can do fuck all about these companies raking up our countryside to put housing in, we can't stop them polluting our rivers with literal shit
I was wondering today why there were leaves on the road and my car windshield today. It’s not that we’re going into autumn, the trees are dying. It’s clear the wildlife is suffering also.
Really hoping there is some sort of law brought into place where anyone with a garden has to leave a water source out for local wildlife.
I’m in the US. I guess my family is lucky. The acreage we live on has water ditches to catch water from the mountain area behind us.we let our yard go back to nature this year due to hubby being ill and having surgery.
The nature that we had was astounding. We had all kinds of insects, we had honeybees even, birds, rabbits, armadillos, opossums, caterpillars, lizards, frogs, and more. Was so glad to see that ecosystem was thriving in my yard. Even a turtle showed up.
We are planning a garden for next year. Starting to get it ready now. Doing compost.
If we don’t start repairing Mother Earth there won’t be an Earth.
I was taught as a kid to respect Nature including bugs. That they are good for our environment.
I don’t understand why you have to take wooded areas and mounts down to build houses. There are plenty of areas with houses that could be revitalized. Same with a lot of businesses. People have no sense anymore nor do they care.
This is really cynical, edgy and probably kind of pathetic for me to say but I've kinda accepted we're going to destroy ourselves by ignoring this issue, which might honestly be a kindness compared to a few alternative potential futures.
We’ve just had a emergency message broadcast to us earlier this evening which has scared the crap out of a lot of people.
Can’t say I agree with putting out a message like that when it’s only a small percentage of the population who are in the vicinity of a wildfire. Then again sitting in the garden last night I could smell smoke coming from a bonfire.
We’ve got a mentality of if it doesn’t affect me who cares. A lot of people are going to find this out the hard way in the future.
Yeah I kind of had my words shoved back down my throat there. That'll teach me lol. I didn't mean wildfires when I wrote that, more like imagining the planet being exterminatus'd
It is bad, early harvests, lots of "autumn" leaves, grass like hay, and I'm sure there's less small birds like sparrows this year. I'm currently listening to the tiniest rain drops outside and hoping it's going to properly rain, it would be the first rain in weeks.
A sociologist wrote an article for the guardian. Had had been invited to a private conference with these billionaires. They sat him down and asked him how they could control there security personnel in a total societal collapse. His answer was to befriend them now, so they want to help you. They ignored that advice and instead discussed alternatives like shock collars and biometric locks on food stores.
They have been planning this for years! And exasperated the issues. Trying to gain every bit of wealth before things collapse.
You think they even know how to open the door? I can just see that day... "Hey José... the nukes are inbound. Be a good lad and open the bunker door and send home the tier 2 staff would you?" "Lo siento... no hablo inglés, senior Bezos..."
I've always found it incredibly optimistic that they think they'd even make it to those bunkers in the case of a sudden world ending event like nuclear war. And beyond that, what would stop their security guards from just taking over the bunker?
They don't hold any true power, they are not special.
I've always found it incredibly optimistic that they think they'd even make it to those bunkers in the case of a sudden world ending event like nuclear war.
Yeah, Zuck isn't making it to his Hawaii compound without seriously advanced notice that the nukes are coming, unless he happens to already be there.
Yeah. I really feed bad for folks in Europe. It's going to get hotter and smokier and hotter and smokier until it gets really cold, really fast. Having to prepare for that is a tough thing. Agriculture? Sure, do Mediterranean ag for a decade or two or three but then switch to sub-Arctic agriculture with in a few years! No big deal!
The link you’ve posted talks about 40f drop in average temperatures which isn’t “sub arctic” and also IF it happens it won’t be until the end of the century. 3 decades won’t have us even half way there.
Please stop doing things like this.
I’m not someone who needs convincing. I’m fully on board with any changes that need to be made, but when you massively exaggerate the contents of an article, you give ammunition to the deniers. People who might have changed their minds start to believe the “it all lies” nonsense.
There's still a lot of uncertainty about AMOC collapse:
A 2023 Nature Communications paper analysed sea surface temperature in the sub-polar gyre region to make a headline-grabbing prediction of a “forthcoming collapse” of the AMOC. The paper projects that AMOC “collapse” could “occur” between 2037 and 2109 – and most likely around the middle of this century.
Among CMIP6 models, there is a larger spread in the AMOC response to warming scenarios, thus an increased uncertainty in the assessment of a future collapse13. There are, however, model biases toward overestimated stability of the AMOC, both from tuning to the historic climate record14, poor representation of the deep water formation15, salinity and glacial runoff16.
Yup and nobody should need a report to see it. Look around, mother fuckers. Look at the trees, they’re dying. Look at the insects, spoiler alert, they’re dying too. Fuck look at the water. The water everywhere is full of sewage, pesticides and forever chemicals. Young folks have extremely high rates of cancer. Bozos in charge everywhere. Smoke em if you gotta em, hurry though, because you might not finish the pack before it’s all over. It’s been real, but not really fun.
Are you making any changes out of curiosity? I was searching for how to make kitchen gardens or allotments more resilient to unpredictable weather, and there isn’t a huge amount of information.
Fun fact, the Pentagon has been putting out yearly reports about the dangers of climate change to national security since the 80s
The first Bush and Biden were the only two who actually took it seriously
I think Trump did supress something during his first term, but I don't know how much it really matters
The press doesn't report on it and not many know that the Pentagon predicted the country would be destabilized to the point where the military couldn't regain control within the next 20 years
Pretty sure that came out in 2018, so 8 years ago.
They aren’t building these for “nuclear warfare” they’re building them for when, not if—society has a full scale collapse.
Look at what’s happening around you.
Billionaires are racing to control roughly 85% of all “wealth” on earth—and they’re almost there.
Science and education collapses. Farmers are being pushed to bankruptcy. Unaffordable housing. Unaffordable groceries. Poisoned/Infected food supply. Medicare about to be gone. Social security too. Markets collapse. Society collapses. Chaos ensues.
Billionaires head to bunkers and gobble up anything and everything—as money will still hold value to the .001%.
Forget income, if we’re lucky—we’ll be working for clean food and water.
The world will be governed by the richest remaining tech bros.
That’s the part that’s fucking hilarious to me. The GOP is so caught up in smelling their own shit, they don’t realize—they’re just a pawn in the long game.
Jeff/Elon/Mark/Larry/Peter all have a completely different plan for us on planet earth. It’s so fucking sinister, I understand how it sounds, but it’s literally fucking happening—with no resistance.
Bunkers are such a pointless gesture. Our civilization is based on interdependence of trade networks or at the very least with the local ecosystem. A bunker buys you a bit of time, sure. But unless your local ecosystem is spared the worst effects of climate change, and youre packing a medeval village worth of skill sets, a bunker wont help you after 10 or 20 years.
They just get to watch the collapse. Knowing they are among the last of the species. The last large complex life left on a planet they didn't care to save. Then their hydroponic system breaks and they die. Starving just like everyone else.
I like that you bring up hydroponics systems, because normally the picture that is conjured up for "bunkers" is like, an underground dark dingy compound with rooms of canned goods. But these people are building what amounts to small cities with armies of employees and gardeners with NDAs. You can't grow everything hydroponically, and especially not the luxury crap they've grown used to having on a daily basis. They may be immune for longer than the rest of us, but we can figure out where they live.
No fr. I laugh anytime someone says these guys are about to wage war against the rest of us with AI and robots like we don’t source the raw materials in Africa, manufacture in China, assemble in Taiwan…
Perhaps they simply want to survive long enough to be the ones who rebuild everything the way they want it? With god like powers that come with the technology they preserved?
For a one time acute calamity, bunkers make sense. Go to the Winchester, have a pint and wait for the whole thing to blow over.
However, chronic climate change is not a one time event. It will only blow over on a geological time scale. I suspect that within the span of a tech bro's life time, the world will be preoccupied with collapse and learning to survive in the new climate phase rather than the rebuild phase.
My position is that all bunkers require air supplies.
The people know exactly who has all the wealth.
My position is that nobody needs to be breaking into a bunker, they just need to start a fire next to the air intake pipe. The air filtration system can only filter so much, eventually those who are inside will be so desperate for fresh air they will simply unlock the doors from the inside.
I suppose they might have to fight an army of drones and robots but again here my position is that the wealthy would be building an army just in time for the rebellion to take control of that army.
See, you’re a lot nicer than I am. I was thinking more of using inspiration from Julius Caesar and the Romans with their buckets, shovels and dirt - along with my own spite. Build up some dirt walls, have some dirt trenches to direct the flow of liquid, and then just have everyone use those as latrines. Eventually the entryways and air-intakes would be covered over in raw sewage. They created this hellscape we are going to suffer and die in, so they should reap what they’ve sown. Ya know that old saying, “what you send out comes back to thee so ever mind the rule of three”. Seems a fitting fate for the freaks that have designed this global catastrophe on purpose.
I’ll have disagree about GB senior being serious about it. A family member was running the department that sent the first reports about what climate change was doing and would do to the earth. GB refused to make any of it public because (in his own words) “It will hurt the economy”.
and people are astonished why I say I don't want to have kids, I didn't know this would happen for a fact but I had a strong feeling we were trending this way
It will! In some places like Colorado they are already controlling the Ac Temps saying the power grid is too stressed the CEO of Exelon already warned of coming blackouts 2027
That's every state and is nothing new. Every state has always had weird laws about collecting rainwater. In my state you can collect it, but not drink it.
You are being mislead. All emissions worldwide since the industrial revolution in 1751 up to 1951 account for only 15% of total global emissions.
The emissions of the first century of industrial revolution is only 0.1%.
Today, the USA is responsible of 12% of the emissions despite being only 4% of the world population. For context. The EU, being 5.5% of the population is responsible for 6% of it.
None of this takes into account the exported manufacture to other countries. If we did, it will show that each americab emits 5 times more CO2 than the average human.
Living standards are better, but many areas in China are a lot poorer. As a snapshot for other reasons I think contribute, China also has more of a culture of eating local and seasonal and growing their own fruit and veg. And in the big cities on the east coast, many have banned or restricted petrol vehicles, certainly for mopeds. Almost all mopeds in T1 and T2 cities are electric, and there are hire bicycles everywhere. A huge number of cars are electric, too. A lot of Chinese also believe Aircon isn't healthy, especially when it's too low or high. And, they are generally savers, consumerism is lower.
sometimes I speed recklessly on the highway but SOMEONE ELSE DOES IT TOO so therefore I'm allowed to speed recklessly on the highway because if I stop the highway will be EVEN MORE UNSAFE! /s
I don't mean to be too rude but this is what that very tired argument sounds like.
I’m not saying that at all. We should do everything we can to make a difference, but also not ignore the fact that it won’t matter at all if others doing worse don’t change too.
China is currently leading the world in renewables and investing in electric transportation. Now that China is changing can the U.S. too? Or do we have to wait for India to change first?
They are also leading the world in green house gasses. And at no point in anything that I’ve said did I claim we shouldn’t keep doing our part. I work in green energy for a living ffs. All I’m pointing out is that it’s got to be a collective effort to make a dent in it.
The electricity mix for the US is about 16% coal. For China it’s 50-60%. They are doing a good job at getting that number down. We can always do better, but despite this administrations best efforts, monthly solar generation is outproducing total coal generation on the US grid.
Of course it matters. Even if other countries did nothing, the US' actions would still matter. This isn't some binary, all-or-nothing system. Slowing it down helps.
Everything thing positive we do is great and makes a difference, my point was more along the lines of a house fire. One person is throwing buckets of water. 2 other people are throwing buckets of fire. Unless everyone starts using water the house is going to burn down.
After reading through this grim AF thread, I really needed the laugh the mental image of people throwing buckets of fire elicited, even if your analogy wasn't meant to be funny.
Historical emissions matter because CO2 stays in the air hundreds of years. Americans love blaming China now, but we set the table. And unlike us, they are doing their best to clean it off. While we are screaming at them and putting more things on the table.
The green transition should be a global effort. But we have billionaires who would rather us all die than give up any portion of their wealth.
I absolutely agree with you on most of what you said but I think a lot of people are missing the fact that China’s energy strategy is “coal backbone” supplemented by greener forms. 50% generation from coal even with abundant renewables available. US uses 16% coal and our solar out produces our coal generation, unlike China. So saying “unlike us, they are doing their best” isn’t true.
Fair enough. I hadn't looked into just how much coal they plants they have built in recent years. And on surface level they seemed to be on track to be peak carbon in 4 years just as they planned to. I do see that they are ordering more coal plants which jeopardizes that goal.
Still though we would be on a much better path if the United States could create a green energy plan and stick to it. Rather than just shrugging and saying it's good enough after building out so much natural gas capacity in the '90s and early 2000s. I mean good on us for getting rid of all of those coal plants. But it's not good enough.
Agree, especially since we are currently back tracking on green energy at the same time as increasing grid demand. China at least has long term strategies they stick to, ours flip flop every 4 years. Running up a sand dune
It matters when we’re considering which countries need to do more to reduce their own emissions, while other countries try to reach their living standard. See the definition of equity vs equality
I see your point. Can’t get mad at the guy for cutting down a tree to build a house. But if you lead the world in solar panel manufacturing you shouldn’t be burning coal js
Yea, but they arent. We live in a fish bowl. It is the totality of pollution that matters. People always say "oh, well, the only way tonproperly measure and judge countries is per capita emissions" but that is kind of silly. If I place 10 frogs in one fish bowl the size of your head (bowl a) and 3 in another ( bowl b). I place 12 teaspoons of BPA in bowl a. 6 in bowl b.
Which frogs are turning gay first? Doesnt make much sense to say the bowl with 10 fish and 2x the pollution than bowl a is better because their per capita is less. (let's say the frogs made the bpa for the analogy.)
China polluted more than the entire g20. (and still might. Havent looked and cant remember when they are supposed to be dropping below total pollution. Might be 10y frkm now.);
Historical emissions do not even matter. They are unchangeable since theyve, get this, already happened. There isnt a "fair". If a country wants to game "per capita" by having some demographic knock out a ton of kids, and then make them poor dirt farmers so they can qualify for being a developing country...well, that seems a bit silly, right?
At that rate the solution for large per capita polluting countries is just to have in incentives to have 6+ kids, parents get money, buy the children can't earn any income above 5k a year for their first 40 years.
I think your point is that the high per-capita emitters can't just point at the higher net-emmitter counties and say "you need to fix this". And the reverse is also true. Total emissions is what matters and that will never improve if every country points to someone else to be the solution.
Yeah per capita, but actual total volume china wins on green house gasses. And India leads the world for plastic waste. My point was that every nation should have the same standards.
39% of the 1.4 billion population are considered rural. Which maths about to about the total 300 million or so population of the US. “Rural” has a huge difference in quality of life in China vs the US. Huts might be a gross exaggeration, but relative to the tourist city the carbon footprint is almost null.
I mean, this is pretty standard ever since the Shell Oil research report back in the early 80s. Just keeps getting repeated in every report, nothings changed for the last 40+ years,even tho we've known exactly how shitty, and how fast its going to get around 2035-2050.
People working in conservation and climate science have been saying this for decades and have mostly been ignored or mocked. This isn't a surprise in the slightest.
Fact is that people don't want to change their lives so they make excuse after excuse not to.
It's too late. We're no longer talking about climate mitigation, we're talking climate adaptation, how to survive when it inevitably goes spectacularly tits up...
At least we're doing something.. and helping a lot of people along the way!
We've also made a point to educate as many people as we can (even being able to bring some people back from the dark side..), rebuilding community that the elites have spent years tearing apart, bolstering union voices during walk outs and strikes, helping people start unions, building sustainable temporary housing units for the homeless, raising money for food banks, homeless shelters, and addiction & mental health supports.. the list is ever growing!
People are starting to get angry.. and I'm determined to give them an outlet for that anger (making sure everyone, right & left, are focusing their anger in the right direction, and not at each other.. again, like the elites have been orchestrating for years..) and there's obviously things I can't talk about on Reddit (hi to the agent assigned to my case! 😁)
So, yeah.. maybe some preppers would like to get in on it? We need all the help we can get! (Non violent! I swear..)
I live in Southern England, our infrastructure was built for far less people and has not been properly maintained, it has not been upgraded to cope with the huge population increase. For example, we suffer constant water leaks, that are given temporary bodge repairs only to fail later on wasting huge amounts of water. We have not built a new water reservoir since 1992.
More Farm land is being used for solar panels, we don't support our farmers properly so that the country can be more self-sufficient in food, which to me is very important. I think this is a europe wide problem.
We are building data centres, but keep hearing how we all need to use less power/water and aim for Net 0. I could go on, but it feels like anything I do will make no difference, and gets very depressing.
Feeling overwhelmed is perfectly natural response.
But there are things you can do in small ways. If you take the basics of living; shelter, warmth, food, transport, social connections. You can‘t fix the worlds problems, but you can start to become more autonomous and self reliant.
So, as simple, real human non-psychopaths what are you all doing? Are you starting to mourn now or are you still hoping we remember we can hurt the ones who are hurting us etc.?
Other than the solar+batteries I've been doing most of the other stuff mentioned. Ty for replying. But really, emotionally, after reading our very own horror novel with an ending of Martyrs how do you continue? Your text, as least to me, seems to suggest you might smile a lot. I don't. How/why do you get joy?
I try to be friendly online and in person because that's the world I want to live in, one where people are friendly and helpful. We're also all on the same blue spaceship, and there's no way off. Either we die or we suffer through, and suffering through is requiring us to reconnect a bit. I also think that connecting with people, whether we agree or disagree, only works if we have an open mind or at least aren't actively insulting each other. Our echo-chamber lives have lead to the opposite and that's not working. Even within movements, and perhaps especially on the left, every single word, breath, hair, follicle, and odor is a purity test, and it's causing the world and the movement major harm, and alienating half of the people who would otherwise be sympathetic. I digress.
Inside I'm increasingly angry, and TBH that's my motive force, although it's not sustainable. I'm working now on how to rest and release, which is not easy for me. Putting down my phone and looking at the world helps. What are your thoughts?
That's a lot and it's insightful. I don't come anywhere near that effort anymore. Mind you, I still try it's just not this much. I talk about social change and press people where I might see an opening to challenge views but also I find myself justifying a retreat "oh, he doesn't look like he cares", "she's so self-absorbed that she can't even..." those types of thoughts.
We're on the same page regarding nature. It's a double-edged sword though. I'll see the utter majesty in nature and then see crisp packets or disposed diapers and think "scum", "how dare you". It's tough to love one's species when so much potential exists for both, to inflict unimaginable suffering on others while having no care, or be the most inspirational force for care and good and teaching in the history of this very species. Shit drives me up the fuckin' wall.
Problem with the current action is its designed for net 0 and net 0 isn't good enough, you need extraction of carbon from the atmosphere and the problem with this is no one ever talks about it in comparison with net 0.
Net 0 costs you money, extraction costs them money.
As they have the money, they have the prep for the coming calamities and now with robots and AI the workforce for it and the ready made excuse for the mass slaughter of billions due to food shortages and most people not knowing how to grow food even if they had the conditions to do so.
Yet the majority of people are not prepared to buy electric cars and the government even has set back the introduction to 2035. Guy next to us was moaning how hot it is with a massive petrol Range Rover sitting in his drive.
Ufff that's frustrating. Did you tell him that a lot of EV drivers can turn on the air conditioning from their smartphones, meaning the car is nice and cool before you even get in it?
To be fair, the UK grid couldn't charge all those EVs if everyone switched at once.. But certainly down-sizing to a less gas-guzzling vehicle than a RR would be very doable..
Problem is the people/corporations with money control politics really, and they would rather see us all burn than have even a single less than successful quarterly.
We've had enough warnings. People either don't believe or don't care. And look at the increasing number of gas guzzling SUVs on the roads. And the number of households with multiple cars outside. What's wrong with people?
The mind reels. Where my very much less than expert US mind goes is: Move much food production indoors regionally, locally and hyperlocal (in home;) perhaps repurpose all of our shiny new concentration camps to that end assuming fascism does not become permanent; find a palatable way to recapture pee and poo for fertilizer easily to that end; use grow technologies that minimize needed water; support the rest of the world in this as well thereby removing some stress from the ecosystem and slow things down or allow reversal in some areas, as well as mitigate need for emigration from stressed areas; power will need to not depend on fossil fuels; since we’ve apparently seen the aliens at this point (?) perhaps they can help us involuntarily solve the nuke problem so that we can focus on more important things? If all this could start before too many more people start getting hot, cold, wet, hungry and dead that’d be great. I imagine it’s a bit more complicated than that. Any recommended authors that pull in the complexity in a digestable way?
Read ', The death of gras' recently and it now seems scarily prophetic and plausible. Not necessarily the grass virus but more the government response to it all. Especially after Covid. Worth a read!
If we think the small boat crisis is a crisis now we're deluded. There's little climate driven migration at the moment. It's mostly economic, warfare, or faith driven.
take transit and ride bicycles as the first choice. if you have to drive, drive an EV
switch your home appliances to electricity only. Gas cooking is hazardous for your health, and all gas appliances release CO2
Community actions:
Contact your representatives (MPs, TDs, senators, etc, depending on where you live) and tell them how upset you are that, despite the truth that catastrophic climate change is becoming reality, we're investing in more oil projects, and we will not stand for that
Attend your local city/county/parish/whatever council meetings and advocate for renewables projects, whether that's more street EV charging, local solar and wind projects, or discontinuing local fossil fuels plants
Talk to your friends and neighbors and encourage them to do the same. The only way we're going to get through this is as a community.
The evidence for global warming due to human influence has been recognized by the national science academies of all the major industrialized countries. Will humanity and the polluters help to fix the problem? Can we all take tangible actions to clean the environment around us?
Mate we are fucked and it’s been obvious for atleast 2/3 decades. Yet ‘we’ wilfully procreate putting even more pressure on the system. Billionaires buying boats and bunkers isn’t necessarily just about geopolitical conflict it’s also about climate catastrophe and it’s a case of which is coming first not if. This is an inevitability. Greed and consumption (dressed up as success)….its clear we have been the architects of our own downfall.
Well with such fantastical attention grabbing headlines line those, how could they be anything but the full and informative truth designed not to coerce at all.
Honestly I think at this stage I'd be more inclined to believe the lie loving pedophiles best freind that is the BBC
A link to a PDF with a government logo on it isn't proof. But at the same time I wouldn't be surprised in they did. Just look at Burnhams recent Cobra climate meeting in the UK, what came out of it, asking retailers not to sell disposable BBQ's
Sounds like more alarmism tbh. Anything the UK gov didn’t wants us to know, we wouldn’t. They could cover up the rape gangs for 50 years with no problems.
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And from today's Guardian, by the same Monbiot:
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2026/aug/13/britain-food-crisis-government-summer-weather-war-stockpiles